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19 June 2018

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  1. Corky

     /  June 19, 2018

    PERCEPTIONS:

    1- Indians don’t walk dogs.

    2- Remember the world leader who was the darling of global media? No? He rode horses bare chested; ditto hiking and hunting. On the judo mat; no problem. Poor chap was replaced with a plumb dude with a comb-over, who plays golf in Palm Springs 😃

    • Gezza

       /  June 19, 2018

      REACTION
      1. Load of rot.
      2. Nothing else to add.

      • Gezza

         /  June 19, 2018

        Righto Corks. You can keep your raspberry buns. I’m going out to get a cream doughnut & 4 cornish pasties. My weekly treat.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 19, 2018

          Indians are as likely to walk their dogs as anyone else.

          Putin the darling of the press ? Hardly.

          • Corky

             /  June 19, 2018

            I have never seen an Indian walk a dog. And I see many Indians walking or riding bikes. Come to think of it, I have only ever seen one Indian couple jogging to keep fit.

            Maybe my Indians are an exception. Anyone seen an Indian walking a dog?

        • Corky

           /  June 19, 2018

          Fake cream in those doughnuts?

          • Gezza

             /  June 19, 2018

            No. The real thing. And a line of strawberry jam along the top. Actually it had too much cream. Left a fatty taste. Might skip the dooughnut next week.

  2. Gezza

     /  June 19, 2018

    “New Zealand workers value work/life balance and job security but if you really want to win them over, you’ll have to pay them well and offer solid perks.

    Recruiter Ranstad has released its latest employer brand research, which asks New Zealanders which companies are the country’s most attractive employers, and what they look for in a workplace.

    Air New Zealand took to the top prize for the fifth time. The Department of Conservation was rated second and the Ministry of Business, Employment and Innovation came third.

    New Zealand’s Top 20 Most Attractive Employers
    1. Air New Zealand
    2. Department of Conservation
    3. Ministry of Business, Innovation & Employment
    4. Healthcare of New Zealand
    5. TVNZ
    6. House of Travel
    7. Deloitte
    8. AUT University
    9. New Zealand Custom Service
    10. Flight Centre NZ
    11. Coca Cola Amatil
    12. Massey University
    13. University of Otago
    14. New Zealand Police
    15. Ara Institute
    16. Dept. of Internal Affairs
    17. Fonterra
    18. Victoria University of Wellington
    19. Ministry of Education
    20. Millennium and Copthorne Hotels”

    More …

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/104817959/where-do-new-zealanders-want-to-work

    • Blazer

       /  June 19, 2018

      dominated by Gummint bodies….so much for much vaunted private enterprise.

      • PartisanZ

         /  June 19, 2018

        Think how many fewer jobs there’d be Blazer, if it weren’t for those Gummint bodies? Oh … and SOEs …

        No more fingers in the dyke of neoliberalism …

        It’d be Dambusters!

      • High Flying Duck

         /  June 19, 2018

        It’s always easier to be generous with other people’s money Blazer.

        • Gezza

           /  June 19, 2018

          I suppose that’s true. Look at Bill Gates.

        • Blazer

           /  June 19, 2018

          taxpayers hand outs to private companies are collossal…Warners,Rio,SKC, AMI,SCF,etc,etc ..and then there are grants and subsidies,bailouts interest free loans (MediaWorks),not to mention lopsided idiocy like the Thiel deal by MBIE.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 19, 2018

        Reminds me of the Island teacher who asked her pupil what he wanted to do and when he said work for the Government asked why. “Because my Dad does and that’s him sleeping under a tree” was the reply.

        • Blazer

           /  June 19, 2018

          as you know working for the Govt is a breezy job..Al…you had 13 years of it…and now…

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  June 19, 2018

            It’s low risk comfort, B. The academic world lets you make your own challenges. Ultimately it becomes too claustrophobic.

            And now I have multiple jobs and people to look after. You?

            • Blazer

               /  June 19, 2018

              gainfully employed,not on …any pension or…benefit.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 19, 2018

              Hopefully your turn will come when you are older and wiser, B.

    • Zedd

       /  June 19, 2018

      good list gezza

      methinks the top 5 are there, because most have a desire/glam factor for 4/5. regardless of other factors

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  June 19, 2018

        AIR NZ used to have great travel perks, I don’t know if they still do.

  3. Patzcuaro

     /  June 19, 2018

    Will anyone be on duty to deliver the baby?

  4. Gezza

     /  June 19, 2018

    Police Commissioner Mike Bush, in the Herald:
    Effective 21st century policing requires additional expertise. Visible police who patrol our streets and respond to calls for service will always be at the heart of our business but we need to do more and think differently.

    Some of the detail around how and where new staff will be deployed is still being worked through. We know our communities will certainly see a stronger and more visible “uniformed” presence as additional officers begin to land in community policing and investigative roles across the country. But we are also increasing police numbers in specialist areas such as cybercrime, financial investigations, and technical covert and communications support.

    About 250 of these roles will be what we call authorised officers – specialists who hold specific constabulary powers relevant to their tightly focused field of expertise. These will navigate the dark web and help rescue children from abuse. They will gather the financial information and evidence needed to restrain cash and assets from gangs. And they will analyse covert communications to stop those who would threaten and do harm to our country and citizens.

    Fundamentally they represent a broadening of the police’s traditional capability. Think of it as our digital frontline. This digital frontline works with domestic and international partners, reflecting the borderless nature of their environment. The new reality is that offenders are now able to do real harm to people they have never met, in places they have never been.

    In 2016, anonymous threats were made to the lives of children in a number of New Zealand schools from what appeared to be a local phone number. These threats caused significant fear and disruption to numerous children, parents and teachers but there was no offender to arrest – he was sitting in Israel behind a laptop.
    … … …
    The police’s Financial Crime Group is getting more forensic accountants and financial investigators, and has the goal to restrain more than $500 million in criminal cash and assets by 2021, with a decent chunk of this to be returned to the Government’s coffers.

    There are numerous recent examples of gangs having their assets stripped through the work of this team, including strikes against the Head Hunters Motorcycle Club in Auckland and Christchurch in which gang pads, houses, motorcycles and other luxury items were confiscated, and cases brought against key gang leaders.
    More …
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12072861

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 19, 2018

      Will they be allowed to catch hackers who steal private emails?

      • Blazer

         /  June 19, 2018

        so child sexual predators that have their correspondence comprimised should not be…prosecuted in your world..Al?

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 19, 2018

          Is there some bizarre connection in your world, B?

          • Blazer

             /  June 19, 2018

            how absolute should privacy be…even when criminalty is uncovered…Key brought in laws to spy on NZ citizens and the Right all applauded it…can’t have it both ways.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 19, 2018

              It’s not me who is trying to have it both ways. Criminality needs to be uncovered and prosecuted. Except in your eyes when it is doing the Left’s work.

      • Gezza

         /  June 19, 2018

        Will they be allowed to catch hackers who steal private emails?
        I expect so, if they can, probably depending on the scale of the theft, the number of victims, the importance of the victims, & possibly the nature of the information stolen. It’ll likely be prioritised like everything else. They need to be careful how they go about it though & to stay within the bounds of the law themselves or it could end up being hugely costly.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 19, 2018

          The bounds of the law depend on what is considered public interest. In other words, you need the right judge.

          • Gezza

             /  June 19, 2018

            Or the left one. Best is probably a panel of judges & a majority verdict.

    • Zedd

       /  June 19, 2018

      are they still contracting private ‘Drug detector dog’ companies to walk around blocks of flats (in lower economic suburbs) seeking out ‘offenders’.. door to door (or from smells coming out, under them) ??

  5. Zedd

     /  June 19, 2018

    https://www.change.org/p/new-zealand-government-remove-industrial-hemp-from-the-misuse-of-drugs-act-moda-1977?recruiter=240676821&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook_link&utm_campaign=share_petition

    Petition to remove Indust. Hemp from MODA 1977. It is legal under license to grow, but is still listed under ‘Drug laws’.. RIDICULOUS !! sez I & others 🙂

    • Zedd

       /  June 19, 2018

      they are aiming for 15k signatures.. they have 13.2k currently 🙂

  6. PartisanZ

     /  June 19, 2018

    And the pain it won’t stop growing though it could slow down …

    You can’t get off this economic freight train …

    ‘Complacent firms at risk of becoming ‘zombie companies” – NZHeraldo

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12072916

    Compared with Evonomics: ‘How About Less Work?’

    http://evonomics.com/less-work-job-creation-peter-gray/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=organicpaign=organic

  7. lurcher1948

     /  June 19, 2018

    If you want a laugh listen to Leighton Smith who watches fox and reads breitbart talking to his rightwing fanclub,you can hear both of them dragging their knuckles on the ground

  8. Zedd

     /  June 19, 2018

    listening to the natl MPs in the fuel tax debate, you would think the folks who spend their weekends lying by the pool & sipping chardonnay & other top shelf hooch, whilst checking their stock portfolio.. are the ones in society who need extra help from the govt.
    “What about the workers.. those living in cars & garages ?”.. are they “doing just fine jack” ?

    • Zedd

       /  June 19, 2018

      wotadisgrace.. 😦

    • Zedd

       /  June 19, 2018

      sorry we are down to $1million profit this year.. we better demand a tax cut FFS

  9. lurcher1948

     /  June 19, 2018
  10. Gezza

     /  June 19, 2018

    Bible in Schools case fast-tracked to High Court, could be heard later this year

    The Secular Education Network says it isn’t opposed to religious education but believes religion needs to be taught by professional teachers and all religious beliefs needed to be covered.

    A Human Rights Commission spokesperson confirmed it supported SEN’s application to have its case heard at the High Court.

    “The proceedings were originally filed with the Human Rights Review Tribunal in October 2016 and little substantive progress has been made since then,” the spokesperson said.

    “The commission believes the case involves important issues of law and that it is in the public interest that these matters be considered and determined by the court as promptly as possible.”

    The spokesperson said the commission was acting as an “intervener” in the case as the court would consider human rights principles as well as the relationship between the Education Act and the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act.
    More …
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/104830875/bible-in-schools-case-fasttracked-to-high-court-could-be-heard-later-this-year

    This should be a fascinating case. Bet judges try & weasel out of the problem that the 3 Abrahamic religions are all bullshit & anyone who can read, research & apply their intelligence to the evidence for their probability of truth knows it.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 19, 2018

      Having been traumatised into nightmares and a near breakdown by an RI woman who should never have been there, I am opposed to it in schools. I am sure that Mrs Fundie-Loony was one of a tiny minority, but she was appalling. We were all responsible for our families’ names being in ‘The Lamb’s Book of Life’ among other things told us by this Mrs F-L. I have a feeling that she was some kind of Brethren. The pressure and responsibility put on children of SIX was inexcusable. My parents found out what was going on,went to the school and Mrs F-L was seen no more. Other parents may well have, too, of course.

      Comparative religions, yes, preaching, NO.

      • Gezza

         /  June 19, 2018

        How many religions do you think they should cover & what should the curriculim include? Should the school have to supply all the relevant Holy Books?

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 19, 2018

          I was thinking along the lines of this is what Buddhists/Jews/Christians/Muslims/Mormons/Hindus/Sikhs believe……there are some really good books that cover the basics. No opinion given as to which is right, just the beliefs and festivals. The main religions would be covered briefly.

          Certainly not the Holy Books. There’d be no time for anything else to be taught if they had to read those. They’d mean nothing out of context, anyway.

  11. Zedd

     /  June 19, 2018

    I saw Mitchell (natl) again trying to antagonise minister Little about their different opinions on using bail for ‘Class A drug offenders’ Natl seem to think; zero-tolerance.. all those charged, should be ‘in custody’ (even users ?) Little replied. (paraphrased) ‘Yes I agree dealers who use violent standover tactics, likely should be..’
    BUT dont tar them all with same brush. He pointed out previously; that a significant number of those, held in custody on bail, get non-custodial sentences, but have already ‘served time’
    Is this appropriate “Kao” sez I

    • Gezza

       /  June 19, 2018

      Yes but what have they “served time” on remand for? He’s had several days to find out now. Has he come out with any more answers than a second striker’s sexual assault on a Prison Officer? I might watch the vids if they’re up on YouTube.

      • Gezza

         /  June 19, 2018

        Nope. He still cannot advise what a low level offender is. Christ this guy is slow.

        • Gezza

           /  June 19, 2018

          Little did manage to mumble out something about these perps on remand being repeat offenders but that’s not much progress when he still can’t actually say their offences are.

          • Gezza

             /  June 19, 2018

            *what their offences are.

            • Gezza

               /  June 19, 2018

              I must say Mark Mitchell doesn’t sound very bright either. I wonder why he left the Police.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 19, 2018

            Bop AL on the nose and see whether that’s low level. I’ll pinch his wallet and see if that is, and Zedd can plant some dope on him. call the cops and dob him in…and see if THAT is.

  12. Kitty Catkin

     /  June 19, 2018

    Daddy Markle doesn’t sound too bright. I wonder what the old fool blabbed out apart from what we saw, and taking money for it will go down like a cup of sick with the Royal Family. He seems to just ‘not get it’.