Trump defiance on immigration switches to backdown on splitting families

Donald Trump has reacted to the furore over splitting immigrant families and ‘caging’ children – he is still blaming the Democrats, but at the same time saying he will take immediate action to stop illegal immigrant families from being split up.

Fox News: Trump plans executive action to prevent family separations at border

President Trump is planning to sign an executive order to allow children to stay with parents caught crossing the border illegally — a step that could avoid the family separations that have triggered a national outcry and political crisis for Republicans.

He also said he’s canceling the upcoming congressional picnic, adding: “It didn’t feel exactly right to me.”

Reuters: Trump to order end of immediate immigrant family separations at U.S. border

U.S. President Donald Trump said he would sign an executive order on immigration on Wednesday to end the immediate separation of immigrant families at the U.S.-Mexico border, which has sparked outrage in the United States and abroad.

An administration official said Trump would sign an order that would require immigrant families to be detained together if they are caught crossing the border illegally.

Trump previously had insisted his hands were tied on the separation policy.

And he blamed the Democrats despite there being Republican majorities in the Senate and in Congress.

The order also would move parents with children to the front of the line for immigration proceedings but would not end a “zero tolerance” policy that urges criminal prosecution of immigrants crossing the border illegally, the official said.

“I’ll be doing something that’s somewhat pre-emptive but ultimately will be matched by legislation I’m sure,” Trump told reporters at the White House.

“We want security for our country,” Trump said. “We will have that as the same time we have compassion … I’ll be signing something in a little while that’s going to do that.”

He has suddenly found some compassion? That’s not how he looked yesterday.

The House of Representatives planned to vote on Thursday on two bills designed to halt the practice of separating families and to address other immigration issues.

But Republicans said they were uncertain if either measure would have enough support to be approved. Trump told House Republicans on Tuesday night he would support either of the immigration bills under consideration but did not give a preference.

If the Republicans don’t have enough support that must be because some republicans don’t support the bills.

This is a remarkable change from yesterday when he was blaming the Democrats for blocking law changes to stop the family splitting.

I don’t know why a law change is required to stop splitting families when the practice started under current law – I presume the current law doesn’t compel border officials to imprison parents and cage kids, because that hasn’t always happened like what has been revealed this week.

See also Trump’s catch-and-detain policy snares many who have long called U.S. home

Here is a marker of current approval ratings for Trump. He has recently had a bit of improvement in approval ratings, but looks likely to take a hit after the furore over border control and especially separation parents from children and caging of children bites.

If there is any backlash, Trump has defied polls predictions many times over.

FiveThirtyEight Truimp Approval:

Current RCP Trump Approval average:

In that the Economist/YouGov Poll has trump at 44% approval, 50% disapproval. Details:

Economist/YouGov – Trump Approval on immigration

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  June 21, 2018

    The unreported Obama photos:
    http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities

    When outrage is political.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  June 21, 2018

        I think on a human level Obama comes across as essential a decent caring person whereas Trump comes across as selfish uncaring me first sort of person. In general the media respond to this in their commentary.

        Obama dealt with issues essentially in a business like fashion. Trump on the other makes everything personal, using a rugby analogy he has a tendency to play the man rather than the ball. On top of that he does it all in front of the referee who he ignores.

        As a result under Obama you had a game you could recognize and understand, under Trump it is a free for all winning at all costs approach.

        Kudos to Melania for making a stand.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 21, 2018

          TDS = Lefty media

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          • Patzcuaro

             /  June 21, 2018

            As opposed to TIS (Trump Infatuation Syndrome) aka myopia.

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            • Gezza

               /  June 21, 2018

              Alan suffers from TBS (Trump Besotted Syndrome).

            • Zedd

               /  June 21, 2018

              ‘Alan suffers from TBS (Trump Besotted Syndrome).’

              he’s not the only one… NNM 😦

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 21, 2018

              Trump has 90% approval from Republican voters.

        • MaureenW

           /  June 21, 2018

          Obama had a compliant media, dutifully taking down and reporting all the talking points – hence the appearance that things were on track and orderly. Trump on the other hand, is largely dealing with a hostile media, trying to create the impression of an imbecilic president in chaos.
          The actions and achievements of both presidents should be judged and I note that Trump hasn’t, at this point, destroyed another country like Libya.

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          • Griff

             /  June 21, 2018

            Trump on the other hand, is largely dealing with a hostile media, trying to create the impression of an imbecilic president in chaos

            You think .
            Try reading Trumps twitter account.
            His own tweets makes far worse an impression than anything you see in the MSM.
            Its reads like a narcissistic moron well out of his depth telling kiddy fibs to cover for his incompetence.

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            • MaureenW

               /  June 21, 2018

              Well there you go, I think his Twitter feed is highly entertaining

            • Patzcuaro

               /  June 21, 2018

              @ Maureen, you hit the nail on the head, it’s entertaining, but Trump stood for and won the Presidency not a stint as a late night TV host.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 21, 2018

              So we got a bonus, Patz. He is not only performing well as President but also entertaining us.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  June 21, 2018

              @Alan, it is too early to give a definitive verdict on Trump’s Presidency, but his approval ratings remain stubbornly negative, admittedly not as bad as they have been. This negativity may be because he wasn’t able to carry the majority of voters, I think he lost that by about 2 million. So get into positive territory he is going to have to win them over, which at this point seems unlikely as his behaviour is designed to appeal to his core support.

              Now if he can orchestrate long lasting peace on the Korean Peninsula then things might change. This should have been done years ago but North Korea probably wanted the nukes before negotiating. They may have limited options for continued testing as the past tests have destroyed their test site.

              I’m not entirely sure that the US can withdraw their troops entirely from the peninsula as Russia has shown itself to be an unreliable territorially acquisitive neighbour.

          • Patzcuaro

             /  June 21, 2018

            Looking at it from another angle, Obama communicated with the media whereas Trump tries to tell the media that black is white.

            The Libyan situation is a flow on from the people movements of the Arab Spring. I don’t know which outcome is better, that of Libya or that of Syria. But if you are going to raise it you also have to bring in the effect of the Bush invasion of Iran which provided the environment for the rise of ISIS.

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        • MaureenW

           /  June 21, 2018

          Obama deported 2.5 million illegals, and handed over their children to people without background checks – some who were human traffickers.

          http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/hhs-handed-child-migrants-to-human-traffickers.html

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          • Gezza

             /  June 21, 2018

            Obama isn’t President any more. Catch up.
            And don’t start with me Maureen. I’m not in the mood ! 😠

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  June 21, 2018

          That was a very long winded way of saying “it’s ok when the left do it…”

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  3. Corky

     /  June 21, 2018

    Bad move on President Trumpy’s part in my opinion. However, sometimes you have to bend in order not to break. Trumpy would only take this course of action if he had political mileage to gain. That said, I hope he doesn’t stand for re election. Time to give America back to non doers. Once America is again disrespected on the global stage, and the UN and liberals regain control, Americans will realise how far they had come under Trump’s presidency.

    It will be a little like New Zealanders waking up to the fact of how lucky they were under National, as doctors now join a growing queue of people prepared strike.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 21, 2018

      Trump is odds-on to be reelected in 2020.

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      • Gezza

         /  June 21, 2018

        Yes, at the moment that’s a reasonable possibility. The Dems still haven’t got a likely winning candidate.

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      • Griff

         /  June 21, 2018

        Soo Alan .
        Math not your Strong point is it

        In the real world not besotted by a failed property developer 51:44 is not an odds on favorite.

        https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44549712
        EU to launch counter-tariffs against US on Friday

        Trump has manged to piss off the govermnts representing almost 50% the worlds economy with his dumb trade war
        Who are they targeting in retaliation ?
        Trumps support base.
        How?
        In the pocket.
        The result of Trumps trade war will start to bite his support base well before he is up for reelection
        .

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 21, 2018

          Dunno, Griff, but I started honours degrees direct entry simultaneously in maths and chem and then continued maths thru stage 3. You?

          The charts have Trump’s popularity where it was when he took office after 18 months in the job under continuous attack from your loony Left mates and their media. Odds are the sensible things he is doing will keep bearing fruit for the next couple of years and the Democrats’ ability to stall progress in the Senate and courts will reduce while the end of Mueller’s circus will rob his opponents of that leverage.

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          • Griff

             /  June 21, 2018

            My dear Dr Alan.
            If Griff who dropped out at 14 has to point out your basic errors one must ask how you manged to pass even 101 calc.
            Of course we know the answer
            Infatuation with the gibbering orangutan blinds you to even the hash reality of basic funken math.
            As we have seen in other cases were you deluded your self despite having the education to know better .
            The “pause” that never was supportable by basic statistics.
            https://tamino.wordpress.com/2015/01/20/its-the-trend-stupid-3/

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 21, 2018

              I’m guessing you didn’t expect Trump to beat Clinton then.

            • Gezza

               /  June 21, 2018

              I recall the general acknowledgement they were the two worst candidates in recent history & that right down to wire it was anybody’s guess who would scrape in.

  4. Patzcuaro

     /  June 21, 2018

    “Trump Tower”

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  5. Kitty Catkin

     /  June 21, 2018

    Even if it wasn’t inhumane, it wouldn’t make sense from an economic point of view to split families. Mr and Mrs Illegal and three little illegals are detained. Someone has to remove the children, process their details and cage them while someone else is doing it to the parents. Two lots of ”accommodation” are needed. And so on……

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  6. sorethumb

     /  June 21, 2018

    Trump defiance on immigration = Trump breaks globalist consensus.
    He!

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  7. sorethumb

     /  June 21, 2018

    LAW
    June 19, 2018
    It’s nice to read an analysis that doesn’t start and end with “OMG CHILDREN IN CAGES”, which is the “analysis” pretty much everywhere else.

    Here is my issue with the asylum argument.

    In 2016, there were 565,000 people caught illegally crossing the southern border of the US.

    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

    And by some reasonable estimates, only about 54% are actually caught

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-border-cross-20161006-snap-story.html

    So math would dictate that about 1,005,000 people crossed the southern border illegally in 2016.

    Now, if you look at asylum cases granted, there were about 6,722 cases of asylum granted to people from Central/South America in 2015:

    http://www.ncsl.org/research/immigration/snapshot-of-u-s-immigration-2017.aspx (number is in the linked spreadsheet at the bottom)

    So let’s say 50% of these asylum cases are people crossing the southern border outside of a checkpoint (probably a generous assumption). You’re talking about ~3,300 or so valid asylum seekers of those 1,005,000 people crossing. Or, to put it differently, 99.7% of people crossing are not coming with valid asylum cases. They’re simply crossing illegally.

    The focus on people seeking asylum is a focus on a very rare case – the overwhelming majority of people crossing are a) openly breaking US immigration law, or b) using asylum claims that will be denied as a shield against being subjected to US immigration law.

    So with that being said…how do we handle the 99.7%? Even if we handled perfectly the few valid asylum seekers who are being unfairly separated from their children, all of the issues with “children in cages” would persist for the vast majority of cases.

    IMHO, this is really an issue with “ripping the band-aid off” in terms of immigration law. The US has for so long handled enforcement of immigration law in such a lax manner that actually upholding the law creates an eye-popping volume of detained would-be illegal immigrants, and with that an eye-popping volume of children waiting for their detained parents to have their cases processed. It seems the only solution proposed here by the left is to simply return to the status quo of turning a blind eye to illegal crossings. I don’t find that acceptable at all.

    And it’s not because I’m anti-immigration. I would much prefer to see a system where we actually issue proper work visas for the hundreds of thousands of migrants who come into the country to perform work that Americans really do depend on. And the immigrants on visa exhibit good behavior, we give them a proper way to become US citizens.

    The current system of creating an underclass of undocumented immigrants who exist in citizenship limbo is unfair to everyone involved. With any luck, Trump’s draconian policy will help spur movement in updating our immigration law to make some sense, so that when it is actually applied people are not appalled at the result.
    /https://quillette.com/2018/06/19/zero-tolerance-at-the-mexican-border/

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  8. Patzcuaro

     /  June 22, 2018

    Trump makes the cover of Time magazine

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