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  1. PartisanZ

     /  June 25, 2018

    Thought for the day from ‘Rethinking Crime & Punishment’ via ActionStation –

    “There is no correlation anywhere in the world between the imprisonment rate and the crime rate. The imprisonment rate is not a measure of crime. It’s a measure of the consumption of punishment”.

    … the consumption of punishment …

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    • Corky

       /  June 25, 2018

      ”There is no correlation anywhere in the world between the imprisonment rate and the crime rate. ”

      So people in jail entered a competition and won a jail stay? If not, and they committed a crime, that crime can be correlated into stats that can give us a crime measure across a broad spectrum of indicators.

      ”Consumption of punishment”. Sounds like liberal bs to me. If people want to form their own judgements go to the Action Station website.

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  2. Corky

     /  June 25, 2018

    Hersey Of The Day:

    Not a great time to be an Australian anthropologist. So many anomalies like the elongated Kow Swamp Skull, Coobool Creek Skeletons and Cossack Dune Skull to name a few, that need to be explained away. If that doesn’t work…swept under the carpet.

    Basically the theory that we are all out of Africa is starting to sound like bs.

    And now I learn I have a little DNA of an unknown human species in my being.

    That explains much about PP and me.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-26/dna-of-extinct-human-species-pacific-islanders-analysis-suggests/7968950

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    • Gezza

       /  June 25, 2018

      Well, I think it explains things about you but not really anything about Possum.

      What point are you trying to make?

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    • Corky

       /  June 25, 2018

      *Heresy*

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      • Gezza

         /  June 25, 2018

        I know. But I preferred Hersey. You’ve spoiled it for me now. 😕

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        • Corky

           /  June 25, 2018

          I knew I had to spoil your fun. Man, for an editing tool. If I win Lotto I will pay Pete out of my own pocket to install one.

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  3. Corky

     /  June 25, 2018

    Pete was right.

    Recently Pete wrote an article about synthetic meat and the possibility it may be unhealthy.
    Well, he was right with over 1000 cases of allergic reaction to this meat. MIkey interviewed a lady this morning who read out what goes into this crap… which is a.lot more crap.

    Now the interesting thing is it’s made from fungus which is heat treated then frozen. In other words its base is nutritional yeast which is a health supplement consumed by millions around the world with minimal side effects and great health benefits, So the problem must be in the additives and manufacturing process.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  June 25, 2018

    HDPA seems a bit upset at the” baby”today, I would cut down on drinking the bitter lemon juice that newstalkZB serves up before shows or have a baby of your own HDPA

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  June 25, 2018

    Today’s quiz, what would be this person’s political leanings?
    Neve Te Aroha Ardern Gayford. Is this a girls name? poor kid.

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    • Gezza

       /  June 25, 2018

      I’m not really all that enamoured of Neve but it’ll probably set a trend & I’m ok with it, it’s nothing to do with me anyway.

      I’d also personally have just gone for Aroha (Jacinda needs to learn Te Aroha is pronounced Teh (like Tay, but said abruptly, shorter). One would think she would know correct Maori pronunciation by now, it’s not difficult to learn).

      Personally I like Aroha as a girl’s name, also Moana, & Marama. I think it’s a nice choice and very approriate. Maori will be rightly chuffed & I’m sure will heartily approve.

      Hard to say what the commenter’s political leanings would be but sounds like alt right & probably white supremacist/racist tendencies which they don’t necessarily perceive as such.

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      • Corky

         /  June 25, 2018

        ”Jacinda needs to learn Te Aroha is pronounced Teh.”

        Tautoko. Once again Maori are honoured..then slapped in the face.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 25, 2018

          Neve has been around for a long time, it’s fairly common. I imagine that it became trendy because of a television actress who was called that.

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  6. High Flying Duck

     /  June 25, 2018

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  7. PartisanZ

     /  June 25, 2018

    “Furthermore, self-interested businessmen who acquire great wealth will also have an incentive and the means (since wealth is power) to change the laws in ways that will suit them.

    They can buy, and in some cases intimidate or simply murder (as in Russia during the 1990s) regulators, judges, and politicians. In other words, they, or a substantial proportion of them, will use their power to corrupt the moral foundations of the society as a whole.

    There is no impenetrable, unbreakable glass wall between economy and society. We use these concepts for analytical purposes, but we should not forget that it’s just a convenience, not reality.”

    Another excellent Evonomics article. Long, but it puts both sides …

    http://evonomics.com/role-of-morality-in-a-capitalist-economy/?utm_source=newsletter_campaign=organic

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  June 25, 2018

    Afternoon brain teaser, what nasty rightwing blog did this post come from,2 options
    Watched Bridget Jone’s Baby last night on TV, and whaddayaknow, she more than once says “Let’s Do This…”, and then 9 months later she has a baby !

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    • Gezza

       /  June 25, 2018

      Don’t know. Don’t care. Can’t fathom why you post these here. If people wanted to read this sort of stuff they’d do so on the original blog site. Just saying.

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    • Corky

       /  June 25, 2018

      It’s a ‘no’ from me, Lurchy.

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  9. Pickled Possum

     /  June 25, 2018

    Genetically engineered (GE) Golden Rice has been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), making the U.S. the fourth country to give the GE food the green light, after Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Golden Rice is genetically engineered to contain extra genes that produce a precursor to vitamin A, beta-carotene.

    Will local FNDC say NO to planting or could they get sued?
    Does anyone know the answer to this question.

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  June 25, 2018

      Possum, I think I can assist with this weighty question of yours.
      The council are free to say whatever they like as long as they provide ratepayers with a minimum of services. A challenge which has thus far proved too much for this council.
      If they get sued it will be by a bunch of deluded fools with too much time on their hands.

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  June 25, 2018

      GE-Free New Zealand said there was a “total absence of data” regarding the safety of GE rice and considered taking legal action against Food Standards Australia New Zealand and the Minister for Food Safety over the approval of Golden Rice.
      Greenpeace further noted “next to nothing is known about how this GE rice interacts with the environment.

      WHO’s Plan to Fight Vitamin A Deficiency Doesn’t Include GE Rice!!!

      While we were looking at Monsanto-Bayer for the worlds love affair with GE,
      our own government is selling our Health for a profit.

      Ignorance is going to destroy our world

      “You cannot insert a gene… into a seed and call it LIFE. You have not created life,
      instead, you have only polluted it.” — Vandana Shiva.

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      • Pickled Possum

         /  June 25, 2018

        While IRRI continues to seek approval worldwide for Golden Rice, WHO has already implemented a campaign featuring a variety of non-GMO methods for combating vitamin A deficiency. This includes:

        Promoting breastfeeding as the best way to protect babies from vitamin A deficiency, since breastmilk is a natural source of vitamin A

        Fortifying foods with vitamin A in certain areas, such as Guatemala, has helped to maintain vitamin A status for high-risk groups and needy families

        Promoting home gardens for rural families, including in Africa and Southeast Asia. According to WHO, “growing fruits and vegetables in home gardens complement dietary diversification and fortification and contributes to better lifelong health.

        Breastfeeding and Home Gardens, well who could have known.

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  10. sorethumb

     /  June 25, 2018

    After years of smearing good people with false charges of bigotry, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has finally been held to account. A former Islamic radical named Maajid Nawaz sued the center for including him in its bogus “Field Guide to Anti-Muslim Extremists,” and this week the SPLC agreed to pay him a $3.375 million settlement and issued a public apology.
    //
    The SPLC also lists Charles Murray, a colleague of mine at the American Enterprise Institute and one of the most respected conservative intellectuals in the United States, on its website as a “White Nationalist.” Last year, an angry mob of students, many citing the SPLC’s designation, physically attacked Murray during a speech at Middlebury College. He escaped unharmed, but the liberal professor who invited him ended up in the hospital.

    Little wonder that Nawaz was not just angry but also afraid about being designated an extremist by the SPLC. He told the Atlantic in 2016, “They put a target on my head. The kind of work that I do, if you tell the wrong kind of Muslims that I’m an extremist, then that means I’m a target.”

    Unfortunately, the settlement that the SPLC reached with Nawaz is not likely to deter it from smearing others — $3.4 million is a drop in the bucket for the center, which raised $132 million between November 2016 and October 2017 and has a $477 million endowment, including a reported $92 million in offshore accounts. Sliming conservatives is big business.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-southern-poverty-law-center-has-lost-all-credibility/2018/06/21/22ab7d60-756d-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?

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  11. Blazer

     /  June 25, 2018

    going,going…..gong…

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/104064842/fraudaccused-chinese-businessman-has-70-million-frozen-in-nz

    another gong…’In 2012, he was one of 60 Canadians to receive a Queen’s Diamond Jubilee medal, which recognised community service.’

    empty?-‘Property records show Gong owns two homes in Auckland with a combined value of nearly $3m.’
    ‘Gong was based in Canada, and had visited Auckland for only a couple of brief visits, she said.

    thats how you do it.

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  12. Gezza

     /  June 25, 2018

    Who does the song in the Bravia tv ad? Anyone know. I know the voice but I just can’t pull the name out of my head.

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  13. Corky

     /  June 25, 2018

    Why liberal rehabilitation justice will only have limited success in New Zealand. If any liberal thinks the European model has relevance for Aotearoa, then I say they are deluded.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/06/frenzied-brawl-erupts-between-women-in-t-huhu.html

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    • sorethumb

       /  June 25, 2018

      Imagine poor Pakeha living amongst them?

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      • sorethumb

         /  June 25, 2018

        Celebrate Diversity

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      • Corky

         /  June 25, 2018

        Pakeha try their best not to live among them. So do middleclass Maori. Can you blame them?

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        • PartisanZ

           /  June 25, 2018

          … Except when the house prices where Pakeha are currently domiciled get too high for them … then they’ll invade Diversity areas … raising house prices beyond Diversity’s buying power … and transform Diversity neighbourhoods into expensive Pakeha ones …

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          • Corky

             /  June 25, 2018

            Correct. Mangere Bridge is an example. Are you still under the impression the law of the jungle has been tamed?

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  14. sorethumb

     /  June 25, 2018

    Asylum Seekers R Lovely

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    • sorethumb

       /  June 25, 2018

      halfway through he gets mugged by asylum seekers who sell junk and ask “are you racist?” if you don’t want it.

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  15. PartisanZ

     /  June 25, 2018

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  16. PartisanZ

     /  June 25, 2018

    “I want the kind that used to be the only kind” – Barry Schwartz buying new jeans

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    • PartisanZ

       /  June 25, 2018

      This is truly brilliant, “There’s no question that some choice is better than none, but it DOES NOT FOLLOW from that, that more choice is better than some choice”

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      • Corky

         /  June 25, 2018

        So your are a lion with one million Wilderbeasts to choose from. That is bound to scatter your concentration and choice.

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