Trump suggests dispensing with legal due process for immigrants

Not long after parading families of victims of crimes in public displays of intolerance of illegal immigrants, vilifying them all by association (something the Nazis did with Jews), Donald Trump is now suggesting that due process in law be ignored.

Reuters: Trump calls for deportations without judicial process

President Trump said that people who enter the United States illegally should be sent back immediately to where they came from with “no judges or court cases,” likening them to invaders who are trying to “break into” the country.

“We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came,” Trump said Sunday on Twitter.

“Cannot accept all of the people trying to break into our Country. Strong Borders, No Crime!”

It could be a challenge finding out where they came from – Mexico is just the last transit country for people from Central and South America.

Critics said his proposal would violate the U.S. Constitution’s due process provision, which the Supreme Court has ruled also applies to non-citizens.

“The president of the United States has just forcefully proposed the end of political asylum and no due process for migrants,” Sherrilyn Ifill, president of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, wrote on Twitter.

Many people coming in to the USA from Mexico already reside in the US and go back to Mexico to visit family. Will it put them at risk?

It’s not unusual for Trump to not care about the law. He is cynically playing to promote public perceptions that illegal immigrants should have no rights in the US and should all be seen as a threat to, ironically, law and order.

Trump’s “zero tolerance” policy of prosecuting adults for entering the country illegally entails a process that typically takes many months. That required children to be separated from parents because they are not legally allowed to be kept in detention for more than 20 days.

However, keeping the children with their migrant parents as they await court proceedings faces obstacles including lack of sufficient housing, a paucity of immigration judges and a daunting backlog of cases.

Trump appeared to grow increasingly frustrated over this quandary, and the lack of action in Congress on comprehensive immigration legislation.

Unlike presidents who can issue executive orders with the stroke of a pen Congress has it’s own processes to follow if it wants to change laws. Immigration and asylum are complex moral and legal issues that can’t be fixed in an instant to appease an impatient president.

Illegal immigration is a big problem for the US, and they have been grappling with how to deal with it for a long time. It is complicated by the widespread use of illegals for cheap labour.

The US has a right to protect it’s borders and to remove illegals if that’s what it wants to do.

But the Trump approach is growing increasingly dictatorial, and it alarmingly mimics the actions of past dictators.

 

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  1. Griff

     /  June 25, 2018

    Fascism.

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    • Corky

       /  June 25, 2018

      Common sense. Sending a message. Applying pressure to congress. And, making many liberal drips who don’t really give a toss about their country, ill with hate and vile.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  June 25, 2018

        Only dictators disavow due process.

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        • Corky

           /  June 25, 2018

          Due process is what emboldens these criminal to try their luck at the border. Obama gave up. He lost the respect of border security personal. That respect is back. America has a president who’s taking care of real issues in real time. Call it what you will, but nobody is now walking into America believing it’s going to be a sinch.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 25, 2018

            But at what cost to the US’s reputation ? I don’t believe that it was ever seen as a cinch. People took huge risks to escape their circumstances, and some were raped, robbed and murdered by the border ‘personal’ as you call them, although most people say personnel.

            Fear and respect are quite different.

            Trump is a wannabe dictator and he must NOT be allowed to become one in reality.

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            • Gezza

               /  June 25, 2018

              Trump has a valid point to make but he’s unable to make it without lying. He is the embodiment of the American Advertising Way. Even Goebbels used US advertising as the model for his false claims propaganda ads. Generations of Americans have now grown up being blatantly lied to every day about everything via ads but accepting that as just normal. So does Trump.

            • MaureenW

               /  June 25, 2018

              @ Gezza
              “Generations of Americans have now grown up being blatantly lied to every day about everything via ads but accepting that as just normal”

              Not just Americans and not just via ads. Cradle to grave – maybe advertising took over when religion left off.

            • Corky

               /  June 25, 2018

              You scored two points:

              1- Cinch
              2- Personnel.

              Congratulations.( I think that’s the right spelling)

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 25, 2018

              I know it is. Sinch isn’t a word and personal has a different meaning to personnel.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 25, 2018

              I wasn’t ‘scoring points’, simply using the correct spelling of two ordinary words rather than repeating howlers.

            • Corky

               /  June 25, 2018

              Anyway, back to the vein of this topic. I wonder if there will be global condemnation should this situation escalate?

              .https://www.ft.com/content/df5d3962-7798-11e8-bc55-50daf11b720d

            • Corky

               /  June 25, 2018

              Oh, dear. The paywall has kicked. Never mind, it concerns migrants left stranded at sea because Italy doesn’t want them.

            • Corky

               /  June 25, 2018

              ”I wasn’t ‘scoring points’, simply using the correct spelling.”

              You should think of a persons mana. Like I do with you when your logic becomes convoluted. I admit sometimes I can’t help myself. But most times I keep my EGO in check.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 25, 2018

              My logic only seems convoluted to someone like you, I fear, not to anyone who is used to lateral thinking and coherent thought patterns, the sort of thing that comes with wide reading and education.

              Do you expect people to repeat your errors to protect your ego ?

            • Corky

               /  June 25, 2018

              ”Do you expect people to repeat your errors to protect your ego ?”

              Yes. It’s called professional courtesy. If we were doctors and one of your patients died while you read them one of the ‘classics’, I would have your back. I would tell the board your patient died of medical complications…and not boredom.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 25, 2018

              (a) This is not a professional situation. ‘Professional courtesy’ is nonsensical here, and many of your comments lack even common courtesy..

              (b) We are not doctors. What you would do if you were one is a futile speculation, as you never will be one.

              (c) Classics are considered to be classics for a reason, and only the ignorant who can’t understand them consider them to be boring.

            • Gezza

               /  June 25, 2018

              Lol.
              It takes a big man to accept his mistakes & just learn from them without complaint.

            • Corky

               /  June 25, 2018

              I’m not that man..and neither is Kitty….and neither are you.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 25, 2018

              I am not a man of any kind. The first 1/3 of your statement is true, of course. 😀

            • Corky

               /  June 25, 2018

              Ever heard someone yell out to a group of men and women ”hey, you guys?” Women are included in that greeting. That’s where that lateral thinking you are famous for comes in. The rest of us just know it as common usage. Most know my comment would have been inclusive. Hence: I’m not that man, or Kitty that women (?). So convoluted. This is much easier:

              ‘I’m not that man..and neither is Kitty….and neither are you.”

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 25, 2018

              It may be common usage among people you know to call women men, but I have yet to hear anyone say this. Putting ellipses in makes no difference.

              You were saying that I was not that man. Well, no, I am not that man or any other kind of man.

              There is no way in which that sentence can be made to make sense.

              Lateral thinking will not make men mean anything but…men. People with dangly bits.

            • Gezza

               /  June 25, 2018

              I’m sure I have quietly accepted correction here & there from time to time. Although I’m often not wrong – something Sir Alan is usually simply reluctant to accept due to pig-headedness, which fortunately is not a failing of mine. 😐

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 25, 2018

              It’s usual to simply say ‘my mistake’ and move on…if one is wrong and the correction, er, isn’t.

            • Corky

               /  June 25, 2018

              ”It may be common usage among people you know to call women men”

              I don’t know people who call women men.

              ”You were saying that I was not that man. Well, no, I am not that man or any other kind of man.”

              That’s where your lateral thinking should have come in. Not much was needed to know the point of my comment was generic to everyone even though my comment was in a male context. ( Hi, Guys)

              .

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 26, 2018

              Man (as in mankind) is generic for human beings, men is specific to men. Look it up if you can’t accept my word for it.

              Guys has somehow become used by some people to mean both sexes; not by me, as I would never refer to woman as guys.

              Men is NOT used to refer to both sexes.
              You can insist that it is, but take my word for it, a group of men does NOT include women. Nor is a woman ever referred to as a man.

              Men and women are different. Google will tell you how they are different.

        • sorethumb

           /  June 25, 2018

          “The attitudes of New Zealanders in the mid-1990s towards immigration may not have reflected the positive perspective on the value of diversity in our society that is contained in the Review of Immigration Policy August 1986. But this does not mean that the globalisation of immigration to New Zealand was an “unintended consequence of policy changes in 1986”. It was a deliberate strategy, based on a premise that the “infusion of new elements to New Zealand life has been of immense value to the development of this country to date and will, as a result of this Government’s review of immigration policy, become even more important in the future” (Burke 1986:330).”
          ….
          But almost simultaneously, decisions were being made about New Zealand’s immigration policies that were to have far reaching consequences for the cultural politics of New Zealand, although it was to be almost a decade before there was an awareness of what exactly this meant. Those decisions about immigration that saw policy altered from 1986 onwards have remade the cultural mix of New Zealand and have added a new layer to the evolving imagery and policy concerns of this country.
          http://canada.metropolis.net/events/metropolis_presents/media_diversity/Spoonley%20(Eng).pdf
          ‘This is New Zealand, get used to it’: Dame Susan Devoy
          https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/99218710/this-is-new-zealand-get-used-to-it-dame-susan-devoy

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 25, 2018

      It happens here all the time. Hundreds of people are sent home immediately by airport immigration every year when their visa status is rejected.

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      • sorethumb

         /  June 25, 2018

        Dead right. I remember seeing some Thai women crying and being deported and thinking (“I wish I could rescue them”).

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  2. Patzcuaro

     /  June 25, 2018

    BrainDead

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  3. Patzcuaro

     /  June 25, 2018
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  4. Patzcuaro

     /  June 25, 2018

    video/1

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  June 25, 2018

      BrainDead

      A meteor crashes into earth and is taken to Washington to be studied. It is full of insects which enter the brain of sleeping people via the ear and takeover. It only lasted one season.

      Reply
      • phantom snowflake

         /  June 25, 2018

        Brilliant, underrated series in my view. Simultaneously lightheartedly comical and bitingly satirical. Tony Shalhoub’s performance was something quite special.

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  5. Joe Bloggs

     /  June 25, 2018

    The Constitution states only one command twice.

    The Fifth Amendment says to the federal government that no one shall be “deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.”

    The Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, uses the same eleven words, called the Due Process Clause, to describe a legal obligation of all states.

    These words have as their central promise an assurance that all levels of American government must operate within the law (“legality”) and provide fair procedures.

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    • Griff

       /  June 25, 2018

      The United States Constitution.
      Article One, Section 9, clause 2.
      The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  June 25, 2018

        Why’ve you allowed trump to bully his way into your life?

        No way can the women and young families fleeing violence in Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala be called an invasion.

        For a start unauthorised immigrant numbers are down by 80% on what they were in 2000, despite there being twice as many border guards as there were just a year ago.

        There’s more risk of rebellion or armed insurrection from the rabid alt-righties.

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        • Gezza

           /  June 25, 2018

          No way can the women and young families fleeing violence in Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala be called an invasion.

          Yes, it can, Joe. Countries, via their governments’ immigration policies, have the right to determine the numbers, & the mix, and the categories and their criteria, of their immigrants. People forcing their way in have no intrinsic right to do so & the results can be catastrophic. Look at Palestine & Israel.

          invasion
          noun
          1. an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.
          “Napoleon’s disastrous invasion of Russia in 1812”
          synonyms: occupation, conquering, capture, seizure, annexation, annexing, takeover, appropriation, expropriation, arrogation; More …

          2. an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.
          “there was a brief pitch invasion when Sunderland scored”
          synonyms: influx, inundation, inrush, rush, flood, torrent, deluge, stream, avalanche
          “every year the valley suffers an invasion of cars”

          3. an unwelcome intrusion into another’s domain.
          “random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy”
          synonyms: violation, infringement, interruption, disturbance, disruption, breach, infraction; More …

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  6. Traveller

     /  June 25, 2018

    Skilled migrants apply through correct channels. (I have two friends doing just that for the USA). The wife has skills well needed but her partner is still in the UK unable to get a visa yet.

    Refugees seek sanction.

    Only two categories.

    People passing through a safe country seeking a wealthier one and passing illegally are specifically economic migrants.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  June 25, 2018

      USA was populated by economic migrants.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  June 25, 2018

        and unaccompanied youths – like trump’s grandfather who left Germany as an illegal emigrant, evading taxes and the compulsory two-year military service.

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      • Gezza

         /  June 25, 2018

        So was NZ. How did that work out for the Maori? Now we control immigration & so does everyone else because times & circumstances are different.

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  7. Zedd

     /  June 25, 2018

    Perhaps Mr Ts visit to Singapore, made him think ‘To hell with human rights’
    I’ll just sing the old song ‘… but more, much more than this.. i did it MY WAY’ (even if it is totally unpopular).. taking a leaf from ‘his new best friends’ book ??

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  8. sorethumb

     /  June 25, 2018
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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  June 25, 2018

      nice source – looks good on you…

      VDARE is an anti-immigration hate website which regularly publishes articles by prominent white nationalists, race scientists and anti-Semites

      https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vdare/

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        • phantom snowflake

           /  June 25, 2018

          Is that a woodchuck or a prairie dog??

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          • PartisanZ

             /  June 25, 2018

            Groundhog Day!

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            • phantom snowflake

               /  June 25, 2018

              Hound dog stray??

            • sorethumb

               /  June 25, 2018

            • phantom snowflake

               /  June 25, 2018

              @sorethumb: Repeat post from you earns a repeat from me.
              Here’s Laurie Penny:
              Let us remember, then, that in the violent psychodrama going on in their own minds, modern reactionaries, almost to a man, think that they are the hero. They think they’re the plucky underdog. They continue to think this even with their tiny-fingered mascot bellowing over the White House lawns and their agenda ascendant around the world, and I know, I know it makes no sense. But dogma doesn’t have to. And one of the articles of faith uniting all our modern proto-fascists, crypto-fascists, baby-fascists, whining 4chan fascists, and the growing number of fascists for whom any sort of prefix is redundant is that they all think they are rebels.
              The new far right has recognized the enduring appeal of adventurism and appropriated its rhetoric for reactionary ends. Propaganda hubs like The Rebel repackage far right ideas as edgy and avant-garde, reassuring recruits that they are hip outsiders in a mass of squares and normies. This is a time-worn trick. As George Orwell observed in a review of Mein Kampf, “whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a grudging way, have said to people ‘I offer you a good time,’ Hitler has said to them ‘I offer you struggle, danger, and death,’ and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet.”

              https://thebaffler.com/war-of-nerves/you-are-not-a-rebel

            • sorethumb

               /  June 25, 2018

              phantom snowflake
              Pure ad hominem

  9. PartisanZ

     /  June 25, 2018

    I’d like to say it’s the thin end of the Fascist wedge, but since the USA is already an Inverted Totalitarian State, dispensing with due process is more like mid-way down the shaft … Eeeeeek!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism

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  10. PartisanZ

     /  June 25, 2018

    In certain of the former colonies, notably the USA and Australia, Canada and to a lesser extent A NZ, its vastly easier to deal with foreign immigration in its many guises – for and against – than it is to honour Treaties with the indigenous inhabitants.

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  11. Alan Wilkinson

     /  June 25, 2018

    Fatuous that most of the above critics don’t realise NZ Immigration sends people home without any legal process or recourse every day.

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    • sorethumb

       /  June 25, 2018

      I think this issue is a totem. They can’t face the reality that the Utopian dream has no basis in reality?

      Reply

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