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  1. PartisanZ

     /  June 26, 2018

    “Immigration has changed the city, but tourism is destabilising it – and even people in the industry agree that it can’t go on like this. In 1990 the city received 1.7 million tourists; last year the figure was 32 million – roughly 20 times the resident population. The sheer volume of visitors is driving up rents, pushing residents out of neighbourhoods, and overwhelming the public space.”

    ‘Tourists go home, refugees welcome’: why Barcelona chose migrants over visitors’ – The Guardian

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/jun/25/tourists-go-home-refugees-welcome-why-barcelona-chose-migrants-over-visitors

    “Here’s one for the candle that lights you to bed …
    And one for the sword … that hangs over your head ….”

    – Harp Tree Lament – Baron Von Tollbooth & The Chrome Nun

    • PartisanZ

       /  June 26, 2018

      Meantime, New Zeal Land’s desire for tourism knows no bounds …

    • sorethumb

       /  June 26, 2018

      Of course racism exists in Barcelona inasmuch as it does in any other city – but it has not been allowed to fester. Since 2010 the council has pursued a intercultural policy (as opposed to assimilation) to recognise and respect cultural and religious differences that has enjoyed widespread support, and immigrants have not been scapegoated despite years of economic hardship.
      ….
      Barcelona is not alone in its battle to protect its identity, with many European cities being overwhelmed by skyrocketing tourism fuelled by cheap flights and platforms such as Airbnb. According to the Association of British Travel Agents, 53% of British holidays in 2017 were city breaks compared to 41% beach holidays.
      ……
      Multiculturalism is death to identity. What’s going on here?

  2. Pickled Possum

     /  June 26, 2018

    Could Cancer Surgery, drugs and radiation or more commonly known as the cut, poison, burn strategy be a thing of the past?
    Could the keto diet change the way we ‘treat’ cancer?

    Is chemotherapy losing its luster?
    Reviewing data from over 600 cancer patients who died within 30 days of receiving treatment, it was found that chemotherapy hastened or caused death in 27 per cent
    of those cases.

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2018/06/20/chemotherapy-losing-luster.aspx?utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20180620Z1_UCM&et_cid=DM215461&et_rid=342304951

    • Gezza

       /  June 26, 2018

      That’s an incredibly small sample of a particular subset of cancer patients and an article by a marketeering doctor of at least questionable integrity.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  June 26, 2018

        He is also an osteopath. He may be a very good one for all I know, but I wouldn’t go to an osteopath if I had cancer.

        If chemotherapy caused 27% of the people having it to die, we’d have heard about it.

      • Corky

         /  June 26, 2018

        The Lancet ran an article about the high failure rate of chemotherapy. The problem with chemo is it’s toxic to the whole body. It destroys the immune system, hence the high death rate.

        • Gezza

           /  June 26, 2018

          Oh. I see. What do you think the death rate of untreated cancer is?
          And what do you think the death rate of cancer just treated by diet is?

          I have the impression cancer has an extremely high death rate without modern medical treatment including surgery & chemo. I am unpersuaded by this gentleman’s ridiculously tiny sample of only people who died.

        • Corky

           /  June 26, 2018

          I’m not pushing any barrow. I’m just pointing out what I read in the Lancet…or more correctly, an excerpt from the Lancet

      • Pickled Possum

         /  June 26, 2018

        Gezza from his wiki page.

        “Mercola criticizes many aspects of standard medical practice, such as vaccination and what he views as overuse of prescription drugs and surgery to treat diseases

        Mercola operates Mercola.com, which he has described as the most popular alternative-health website on the internet

        Traffic counting from Quantcast shows the site receives about 1.9 million novel visitors per month, each returning almost ten times each month; the number of views is roughly equal to those received by the National Institutes of Health”.

        He has written two books which have been listed on the New York Times bestseller list:
        The No-Grain Diet (May 2003)
        “With his revolutionary no-grain diet, online health pioneer, natural medicine advocate, and bestselling author Dr Mercola will show you how to conquer food cravings and stay slim for life.
        The debate is raging from the FDA to the nightly news: Why are 65 percent of all Americans overweight or obese? The USDA says it’s fat.
        Dr Mercola says it’s grains and carbohydrates”.

        The Great Bird Flu Hoax (October 2006)
        “The U.S. government is now practically screaming that a new avian super-flu will likely kill millions of Americans. The mainstream media is entirely onboard, as are drug companies and other corporations poised to benefit immensely from the paranoia. But there is NO coming bird flu pandemic. It’s an elaborate scheme contrived by the government and big business for reasons that boil down to power and money”.

        “Presenting eye-opening evidence that casts serious doubt on the truthfulness of reports about the virus’s ability to transmit, and its mortality rates around the world, renowned physician Dr. Joseph Mercola reveals the secrets about the great bird flu hoax. In compelling fashion, he provides you with the real facts you need to know to protect you from a far greater ill – corporate and governmental greed”.

        I like to read his latest blogs, he offers advice on the natural herbs etc
        The mainstream medical doctors IMHO
        are just pimps for the drug companies.
        American doctors receive money from the drug companies for selling their drugs.
        Pimps. Hundreds are dying from oxycontin drugs daily.
        I don’t put all my trust in just one health practitioner and I do prefer an alternative.

        600 cancer patients is not a small sample by any means.
        https://www.iarc.fr/en/publications/pdfs-online/epi/sp95/sp95-chap11.pdf

  3. PartisanZ

     /  June 26, 2018

    ‘Name changing a game changer for migrants’ job prospects, study finds’ – NZHeraldo

    “An AUT University study by Professor of Diversity Edwina Pio found migrants are changing names to sound more Kiwi to increase their chances of finding employment.

    It received mixed responses from employers about whether they would employ people with foreign-sounding names.

    But it found migrants are changing names to sound more Kiwi to increase their chances at finding employment – and many are often happy to do this.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12077415

    • Corky

       /  June 26, 2018

      Nothing new there, Party. Maori have been doing that for years. I was told by family a relative of mine wanted to apply for high ranking military training in Britain during the 50’s.
      He was advised to Europeanize his name. He was told he would never be fully accepted as one of the lads once they found out he was a’ darkie.’ But once accepted he couldn’t be rejected. That advice and prediction turned out to be 100% accurate.

      • PartisanZ

         /  June 26, 2018

        In such a racist system, hopefully we’re not attributing blame to the person who Anglicizes their name …?

        • Corky

           /  June 26, 2018

          Anglicizes. That’s the word that escaped me.

        • sorethumb

           /  June 26, 2018

          They are trying to blame ethnic segregation on white racism.
          https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/20171050/is-auckland-becoming-increasingly-racially-segregated

          An Asian applies for a job; gets rejected (employer sees name) and moves sideways into noodle shop.
          Is it racism – yes it is.
          ……
          Or is it ethnocentrism (tried and true)
          The wider issue is that if Auckland becomes segregated then (wowie) what does that say about the success of multicultural policies? We are supposed to walk about as though the circus is in town enthralled by difference (auld lang syne is down at Salvation Army shop). Instead we are separate colonies with a weak national identity and unhealthy heart.

          • Corky

             /  June 26, 2018

            Very good post on a number of levels. Pity it will pass many bye.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 26, 2018

              If someone is a ‘darkie’, they can call themselves anything they like, nobody who sees them will think that they are a white person.

              If I called myself Mei Ling Chan, no Chinese person would think that I was Chinese once they saw me.

              An Asian man who runs an employment agency in NZ advises people to anglicise their names a bit if these are likely to be unpronounceable by employers, as people don’t like to ring up and ask for someone if they think that they will pronounce their name all wrong. A schoolfriend whose father was Polish was called Stanwick, as that was what the name sounded like although it was, like many Polish names, spelt in a way that would be impossible for anyone who wasn’t Polish to guess at its pronunciation.

            • Corky

               /  June 26, 2018

              ”But once accepted he couldn’t be rejected.” He sent his impeccable credentials overseas, with a European name. Otherwise, no matter his credentials he wouldn’t have been accepted once a strange Maori name was further checked out.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 26, 2018

              What happened when they were checked and that person didn’t exist ? People can be rejected for this, it’s called fraud.

            • Corky

               /  June 26, 2018

              Eh? I assume by deed poll. That’s legal.

          • PartisanZ

             /  June 26, 2018

            Oh FFS, as if Auckland ever hasn’t been racially segregated … or ‘enclaved’ …

          • PartisanZ

             /  June 26, 2018

            And our “national identity” and “heart” would presumably only be ‘strong’ if it was Pakeha/European, with the other ethnicities ‘assimilated’ and subsumed …

            Fred F*&king Dagg Land …

            But, of course, we don’t want the economy to return to the terrible ‘socialist’ days of Fred F***ing Dagg …

  4. Corky

     /  June 26, 2018

    Funny morning for me this morning. Woke up to Duncan Garner bitching about Winston not turning up for an interview. Switched to Mikey who was about to interview Winston, I guess Mikey aces Newshub.

    In that interview with Mikey, Winston was asked if he had applied for the energy payment.
    He said he didn’t know; he may have. From what I’ve read you needn’t apply if you are eligible. It is automatically paid to your acc. Winston is on Super so he doesn’t need to apply. Talk about not being briefed.

    Are we heading for an early election? That is a question Mikey should have asked Winston.
    Now IRD workers are considering strike action. I believe the perfect storm is brewing. What a welcome back present for the PM.

    • lurcher1948

       /  June 26, 2018

      9 years of running New Zealand into the ground and into a VERY EXPENSIVE place to live.Hope you are enjoying you state pension the run away Sir Key

      • Corky

         /  June 26, 2018

        You need to stop fixating on Sir John, Lurchy. Let him live his lavish retirement in peace. A successful man on the world stage deserves peace in his final years.

        • lurcher1948

           /  June 26, 2018

          Far younger than me,but I’m living the dream and you are paying me for it🤣

          • Corky

             /  June 26, 2018

            I wouldn’t laugh, son. Come 2020 ( maybe sooner), Crusher will take your energy payments off you.😰

            • lurcher1948

               /  June 26, 2018

              She might be back in her homeland China with her chinese partner,another possible national run away MP

    • PartisanZ

       /  June 26, 2018

      Seed the fresh clean air of fairness and decency for 34+ years with dark, polluted clouds of power and wealth and sure enough, you eventually produce … “the perfect storm” …

      Then quickly … look for someone else to blame …

      • PartisanZ

         /  June 26, 2018

        … blame the fresh air …

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 26, 2018

          Judth Collins’ husband is not Chinese born any more than she is. He is Samoan-Chinese.

  5. Corky

     /  June 26, 2018

    This guy sure talks fast. He explains why you should never talk to the police. Why you can never talk your way out of being arrested. Why even uttering one sentence to police could convict you. Some of his insights are fascinating.

    Most of us think we are savvy and know what to do. We believe honesty is our shield. This guy calls bs on that theory.

    Most of his insights have played across our screens during news items of high profile criminal cases. We see suspects spilling their guts and trying to talk their way out of arrest. We judge them on recordings of police interviews.

    One interesting fact he stated: As convoluted as American law can be ( some laws are weird)
    it should be remembered in Italy, France and other European countries, an interview with police can start with a beating and, unlike America, there is nothing you can do about that.
    And we call these countries first world nations?!!

    • Blazer

       /  June 26, 2018

      young Todd ex National M.P must have taken all that in.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  June 26, 2018

        Not sure if you’re joking, but you are right. Why talk to the police when you don’t have to?

        • Blazer

           /  June 26, 2018

          sometimes people believe our elected representatives when they say they are happy to talk to the NZ Police.
          I guess what you mean is,as a National M/P his word is worth nothing.
          Um,nothing to hide,nothing to…fear…isn’t that how it ..goes?

    • Pickled Possum

       /  June 26, 2018

      Tim Shadbolt and Progressive Youth Movement said, Never to give anything more than our names and addresses then ‘zip it,’ sweety to the policeman.
      As anything you say or sign can be used in evidence against you.
      http://www.cab.org.nz/vat/gl/roi/pages/policeandtheindividual.aspx

      • Corky

         /  June 26, 2018

        Timmy knew a thing or two.

        • Gezza

           /  June 26, 2018

          When he visited our class Timmy told us never to trust the establishment. That’s why I don’t trust him now.

          • Corky

             /  June 26, 2018

            Timmy is well paid and living off the regional government tit. Minto goes up in my estimations. He hasn’t sold out, has he?

    • Gezza

       /  June 26, 2018

      NZ Police & your rights – Citizens Advice Bureau – last updated 17 August 2017

      http://www.cab.org.nz/vat/gl/roi/pages/policeandtheindividual.aspx

      Should be taught in schools.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  June 26, 2018

    Winston has given Duncan the middle finger, and after Hosking today he will be given it to.There is no reason why Winston would want to be grilled by these hosts with big egos and little brain power as he has a country to run

  7. PartisanZ

     /  June 26, 2018

    While at The Guardian, the “Persuasion Architecture” eloquently guided my attention towards this –

    “Hidden behind the valorising of returning to work asap is an implicit denigration of the much harder graft of looking after a baby full-time.

    So, Wide Awoke is here to remind all the mothers who are not running countries or winning tennis matches in catsuits, whose bodies are not “snapping back” and who are not returning to work after six weeks, that you, too, are inspiring.

    Looking after a baby in a society that doesn’t care is more than enough.”

    ‘Jacinda Ardern will be back running a country weeks after giving birth – what does that mean for other women?’ – Chitra Ramaswamy

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jun/25/jacinda-ardern-will-be-back-running-a-country-weeks-after-giving-birth-what-does-that-mean-for-other-women

  8. Gezza

     /  June 26, 2018

    A New Zealand man who travelled to the US home of a 14-year-old girl he had communicated with online was shot by the girl’s mother, a sheriff said.

    Troy George Skinner, 25, was shot Friday (local time) after he allegedly smashed a glass door and tried to enter the home in Goochland, Virginia, said sheriff James Agnew.

    The Goochland County sheriff said Skinner bought a knife and duct tape after arriving in the US. The sheriff also said the girl’s mother saw a man trying to enter her home, warned him several times she had a gun, then fired after he broke the glass on the second door he tried to open.
    More …
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/105009122/new-zealand-man-shot-trying-to-enter-teens-home-in-us

    He’s in hospital, hit in the neck. Pity mum was such a poor shot, but good on her.

    • Trevors_Elbow

       /  June 26, 2018

      Should have spent more time at the range perfecting her aim.

      So I suppose the NZ taxpayer will now get involved making sure Mr Skinner has good legal representation in the US….

    • Corky

       /  June 26, 2018

      This prick must be a simpleton. America isn’t New Zealand. They don’t whimper and take their lumps like good citizens….they lead you. This guy must have thought America was like Kawerau. Just goes to show we have our share of crazies. He can thank his lucky stars he wasn’t black otherwise he would resemble a sieve.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  June 26, 2018

        • Corky

           /  June 26, 2018

          Yep. Enough said.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 26, 2018

            Taking your lumps is a meaningless cliche. Can’t you find something else to say about these situations ? It’s stupid to say that everyone in NZ acts in exactly the same way, anyway.

            • Corky

               /  June 26, 2018

              ”Taking your lumps is a meaningless cliche”

              Not to me.

              ”Can’t you find something else to say about these situations ”

              No.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 26, 2018

              It’s no surprise that a meaningless cliche to others isn’t one to you, I suppose.

              Or that your response is one size fits all.

            • Corky

               /  June 26, 2018

              It’s out of respect for the victim. You know, the lumps they receive when they are bashed, kicked and abused..and then left on life support.

              In this case we saw the positive side of gun ownership. Would you like to guess what would have happened if the mother didn’t have a gun?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 26, 2018

              It is actually a cliched way of saying that someone accepts adversity or hardship that they deserved, so hardly appropriate in the way you use it, which is literally in this case. Unless you think that they do deserve what they get. It

              People are not left on life support for long, contrary to popular belief, and most assault victims are not on it.

              He had a brick. She could have

              called the police

              gone out through the other door

              called the other occupants of the house and overpowered him

    • Gezza

       /  June 26, 2018

      He was item one on 1ewes tonight. He met the girl oneline thru some gaming website I think. She broke off contact with him. He’s facing imprisonment for the rest of his life with the rapist kit stuff he bought when he got there & the charges they’ll be bringing against him.

      • Corky

         /  June 26, 2018

        ”He’s facing imprisonment for the rest of his life with the rapist kit stuff he bought when he got there & the charges they’ll be bringing against him.”

        What do you think he would receive in New Zealand? Five years?

        And, where did he get the money to travel? That was an expensive trip he took with the stop overs.

        • Gezza

           /  June 26, 2018

          Dunno Corky. It would depend on the psychiatric report I imagine. The fact he’d purchased the duct tape & knife as soon as he got there & took it with him possibly wouldn’t be allowed to be taken into account or given much weight here as he never actually got around to using them. In fact here he might easily have overpowered mum & done God knows what to the pair of them.

          Over there I expect clear intent will be considered highly relevant when he does appear in Court. Wonder if he’s got a psychiatric or criminal history here? I’m just sorry he survived getting shot.

          The US police release details of offences like this as soon as they take someone into custody. Here we don’t hear anything, and even when it does get to Court sometimes details are suppressed.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 26, 2018

            A knife and duct tape ? It sounded as if he had some sort of ‘rape kit’, and I didn’t realise that that was it. I missed the beginning of the news, and while I saw the objects, it wasn’t at all clear what they were,

            As mum knew that he was there, if she had any sense she and the others would run for help, not wait to be overpowered one by one if they hadn’t had a gun.

            Proving the reason for the knife and tape might be difficult.

            It’s pointless to speculate on what would have happened here, or what the sentence will be, as it took place in the US, not NZ.

            • Corky

               /  June 26, 2018

              ”It’s pointless to speculate on what would have happened here, or what the sentence will be, as it took place in the US, not NZ..”

              No, it’s not. It’s possible to make a good guesstimate- 3-5 years..
              With good behaviour the averages out to two years behind bars. A friend interviewed said the alleged perpetrator was quiet and rational.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 27, 2018

              We would need to know more before making a guess.

              His lawyer would , of course,say that neither duct tape nor a knife were actual proof of bad intent in themselves, and one would have to admit that….

              He broke a window, again not a serious offense.

              Proving a motive is very difficult indeed, I would think.

  9. lurcher1948

     /  June 26, 2018

    And the rightwing knuckle draggers love him
    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics/donald-trump-red-hen/

  10. lurcher1948

     /  June 26, 2018

    Far far safer to eat at the Red Hen than at any of Trumps greasy spoons,i will say my keyboard is cleaner than his restaurants
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2018/06/25/did-president-trump-defame-the-red-hen/

  11. sorethumb

     /  June 26, 2018

    PC Award Nominees #1
    PartisanZ
      /  June 25, 2018
    What can one say?
    All that ‘transcribing’ … all that interviewing and talking … all that academic reasoning … and not one mention of the massive advantage concerning biculturalism-and-multiculturalism we have here in Aotearoa New Zealand … Our ‘point of difference’ … our prosocial or cooperative advantage … our Constitutional ‘bedrock’ …
    Its name is Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
    https://yournz.org/2018/06/25/te-upoko-o-te-ika/

    • Gezza

       /  June 26, 2018

      That was yesterday. Downticked for
      1. Dredging up old news
      2. Targeting
      3. Lving in the past.

      Today’s a new day.

    • phantom snowflake

       /  June 26, 2018

      I guess I’m risking a nomination of my own. However: As I understand it, the term ‘PC’ implies insincerity and conformity to some kind of ‘liberal rulebook.’ I’m very familiar with PartisanZ’s commenting, having read it for several years. My impressions are that he is passionate, sincere, and independent-minded. I think you’re making the error of assuming insincerity based merely on a difference of views. (Also, it may not be apparent to you, but there is quite a divergence between his views and mine at times. His tendency is towards Socialism, mine is towards Anarchism.)

      • PartisanZ

         /  June 26, 2018

        Generally agree with your analysis p.s., although I don’t call mine ‘Socialism’ any longer because of the absurdly ignorant connotations given the word by Righties who are actually talking about Totalitarian Command Capitalism … especially The Soviet Union and China … but sometimes also Germany’s National Socialism and Imperial Japan’s military rule …

        We would do well to remember that for five or six years the Allied nations became effectively Totalitarian Command Capitalist economies in order to fight Nazism and Imperial Japan …

        I have long held to Arnold Toynbee’s idea we are searching for a “middle way between [laissez faire] capitalism and [genuine ie JS Mills] socialism” and I now call it Enterprise Social Capitalism …

        It’s not going to prevent anyone getting rich … although it may prevent excessive wealth derived from unpaid wages … but it will prevent anyone from being exceedingly poor …

  12. PDB

     /  June 26, 2018

    The Labour/Green way – throw lots more money at something and in the same breath take away the measurements required to ascertain if that funding/ the new govt’s policies are making a positive difference to the lives of New Zealanders;

    “Public reporting of District Health Boards’ (DHB) performance of procedures including elective surgeries, cancer treatment times and Emergency Department wait times, has been axed.

    It also appears a new project to publicly measure elective surgery referrals and rejections has also been quietly shelved, with the Ministry of Health failing to release updated figures since the election.”

    “And while there has been no announcement, the National Patient Flow project – which measured the number of patients being turned away from the operating table – has not released any updated figures since September last year. That project was launched following intense political pressure from Labour, over surgical unmet need.
    Clark has given an assurance that more surgeries would be performed, but there was currently no public measure of that.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104976776/hows-your-dhb-doing-govt-does-away-with-national-health-targets?rm=m

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/105010176/axing-of-health-targets-will-lead-to-deaths-says-national

  13. Blazer

     /  June 26, 2018

    the DHB’s are a clusterfuck of gravy trainers,all exacerbated and ignored under National’s…watch.Top heavy with over paid admin and managers.

    • PDB

       /  June 26, 2018

      Probably true to an extent – no doubt David Clark is wanting to clean things up by bribing one such DHB Chair with a future job in return for his silence.

      ‘Most open and transparent govt ever’ is now far beyond being just a joke – all destroyed in as little as 7 months or so of coming into power.

  14. Blazer

     /  June 26, 2018

    ‘‘Most open and transparent govt ever’ is now far beyond being just a joke ‘…yes when Key claimed that I couldn’t help ….a guffaw.

  15. Corky

     /  June 26, 2018

    Petrol tax passed. This tax will be associated with Labour…along with strikes. All grist for the mill.

    • PDB

       /  June 26, 2018

      Add in other future tax hikes, higher prices for most items, backward 1970’s style workplace laws, increasing National debt along with a tanking economy and the NZ version of a far left-wing economy is well in the making.

      • Corky

         /  June 26, 2018

        Are you saying we will become the Venezuela of the Pacific?

      • Blazer

         /  June 26, 2018

        ‘ increasing National debt ‘…I told you…National borrowed more in 9 years than the cumulative total of all NZ govts for 100 YEARS!!Spending other peoples money …indeed.

        • Corky

           /  June 26, 2018

          It’s not..looking…good for your crowd, Blazer. Especially with the traffic jams as people travel outside Auckland boundaries to fill up with petrol. Bet ole Phil never thought of that.

        • PDB

           /  June 26, 2018

          National would be paying down debt now, debt that was created to offset the GFC, earthquakes & to cover large ingrained costs inherited from the Labour govt (WFF etc).

          So Labour during economic good times they have inherited from the National-led govt are borrowing more and spending more then if things turn to shit (as likely under this mob) they will……..borrow more AND tax us more. Can only end in tears for all concerned.

          • Blazer

             /  June 26, 2018

            Labour inherited the biggest debt in NZ’s history.National bereft of any policy, or initiative resorted to their default…borrow and hope…leave it to the next generations to pay..off.

            • PDB

               /  June 26, 2018

              From the guy who was happy that the new govt is borrowing even more because % wise our debt is low by international standards. Could you be even more two-faced?