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  1. Patzcuaro

     /  June 27, 2018

    Banana skin or bar of soap.

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    • Gezza

       /  June 27, 2018

      Emmerson’s a pretty hopeless cartoonist when it comes to caricaturing. Doesn’t look anything like Bridges. I used to do cartoons as a hobby till I got fed up with being asked to do likenesses for farewell cards at work when I was obviously busy. I could come up with something more like Bridges than that in a day. Who are the other two supposed to be?

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  June 27, 2018

        Matt Ward and Jeremy Wells. Morning hosts on Hauraki.
        I listened to the interview and it was all said in fun. The attempt to beat it up in to some sort of scandal is wowserism at its worst.
        These people should get a life.
        And you’re right on the cartoon – looks nothing like any of them.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  June 27, 2018

          A reasonable merging of Simon Bridges and Charlie Brown, when you know it is Jeremy Wells I can see it.

          Simon Bridges probably should stay away from comedy, Key could do it and Ardern can.

          No scandal but it is always better to avoid situations where you look foolish.

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          • PDB

             /  June 27, 2018

            “Ardern can”

            Does it everyday by accident in parliament whilst PM.

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            • Patzcuaro

               /  June 27, 2018

              Well if that is the case you should laughing all the way to the bank in 2020, all you have to do is keep Simon Bridges away from Matt & Jeremy in the mean time.

            • PDB

               /  June 27, 2018

              Ardern said she would “happily” look into sexual assault allegations – now those allegations are found to have some legs she should be overjoyed!

            • Patzcuaro

               /  June 27, 2018

              Slightly of topic.

            • PDB

               /  June 27, 2018

              Maybe even ‘off’ topic, but being ‘open forum’ I think we might just get away with it.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  June 27, 2018

              If you are in a hole it is always worth trying a bit of deflection

      • Patzcuaro

         /  June 27, 2018

        I think Jeremy Wells interviewed Bridges a la John Key (soap in the shower) on the morning radio about young Neve but Bridges probably doesn’t have the ability to laugh at himself like Key did, so came across poorly. Merge that with Lucy from Charlie Brown.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 27, 2018

          The cartoon fell flat on me, as I had no idea who the others were, and the Simon Bridges cartoon looks nothing like him. It’s not clever or funny, it tries too hard..

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  2. Corky

     /  June 27, 2018

    Australia to buy drones for policing its territories. We should seriously consider this. Three drones operated by NZ could give NZ 24 hour ‘eye in the sky capabilities.’ Two drones running counter to each other around NZ, while the other patrols the Islands. That would give Australasia a complete coverage blanket. These drones are huge and can stay airborne for 24 hours. They could also be armed or enabled to drop supplies during emergency situations.

    http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/australasia/article/2152486/australia-buys-hi-tech-triton-drones-monitor-south-china-sea

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  3. Corky

     /  June 27, 2018

    Good to see some of the media picking up on Winston’s lack of knowledge regarding the energy payment. When I commented on that yesterday I thought the media would ignore the implications of that interview. Now Winston has released details of a policy no one has heard of. All grist for the mill.

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    • Gezza

       /  June 27, 2018

      What policy?

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      • Corky

         /  June 27, 2018

        I don’t know.. just caught the tail end of Mikey talking about it.

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        • Gezza

           /  June 27, 2018

          Christ ! Have I got to do every bloody thing !

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        • Gezza

           /  June 27, 2018

          Hang on. I’ll see if I can find out what the wanker was blithering about.

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        • Gezza

           /  June 27, 2018

          All he’s doing on Mike’s Minute is having a huge, totally disingenuous, bitch that since China told the rest of the world to stick their plastic rubbish up their collective noses, recycling this crap doesn’t pay for itself & actually has to be paid for.

          I haven’t got all day to go crawling through a couple of hours of his bloody ranting on NewStalkZBabies On Demand. Let’s just say you probably misunderstood him.

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          • High Flying Duck

             /  June 27, 2018

            He was being asked about the winter energy payment, which is paid out automatically if you meet the criteria – superannuitants and certain beneficiary classes get it.
            If you don’t want it you have to actively opt out.
            When Winston was asked he said he did not know if he had applied to receive it, although “someone may have stuck a form under his nose and said sign here”.
            He had no understanding of how the payment worked.

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            • Gezza

               /  June 27, 2018

              Oh. I see. Would you personally characterise that as:
              Now Winston has released details of a policy no one has heard of? o_O

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 27, 2018

              Old news, very old. Corky is behind the times.

              It’s a worry if he signs things without even looking at them.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 27, 2018

              How can anyone not worry that the deputy PM of NZ signs legal documents WITHOUT LOOKING AT THEM ? He could be signing anything.

  4. Corky

     /  June 27, 2018

    They say nothing is new under the sun. Here’s Marilyn Monroe’s supposed bizarre diet.
    She was ahead of her time. She also cooked much of her own food.

    The reason I believe this article is fairly accurate is the fact Marilyn suffered from constipation. She received regular enemas administered by her personal assistant.
    Constipation is ironically associated with this type of eating.

    Damn fine photo of MM.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2018/06/marilyn-monroe-s-bizarre-diet-and-exercise-routine-revealed.html

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    • Blazer

       /  June 27, 2018

      nice pose…Marilyn was certainly a ..stunner.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  June 27, 2018

        She was, but I won’t read the article as I am not interested in prurient speculation about that sort of thing. It’s hard to imagine the sort of person who wants to read such stuff. It’s likely to be someone’s dirty minded imagination.

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  5. PartisanZ

     /  June 27, 2018

    Sometimes the next or other items after crap like Marilyn Munroe’s Diet are really interesting, such as the idea that NZ needs to completely rethink recycling … Here’s a smart guy talking sense in anyone’s language … and, unusually, Garner too …

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/06/new-zealand-needs-to-think-about-not-recycling-expert.html

    Sensationalist-style headline though …

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    • Corky

       /  June 27, 2018

      MM v Recycling. I’m sure someone is interested…somewhere.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  June 27, 2018

        Another case of “give a Rightie any opportunity whatsoever to divert – using inane or puerile diversion tactics – and they’ll take it every time, hands down, no question” …

        I’ll have to choose my words more carefully …

        Nah … screw that!

        Why, might I ask, are you interested in Marilyn Munroe?

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        • Corky

           /  June 27, 2018

          I’m not interest in Marilyn. Even less in recycling given the uneconomic processes that it sometimes entails. Some of the stuff people put out to be recycled is later dumped.
          Not that these people would know that because they believe all that liberal bs about saving the planet.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 27, 2018

            From the way that you were talking and the fact that you read the article and posted a link, it seemed as if you were indeed interested in Marilyn Monroe’s diet and dogestive system. What an indignity towards a dead woman who cannot defend herself against the prurient.

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            • Corky

               /  June 27, 2018

              Lol..what are you on about? Are you thinking laterally again?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 27, 2018

              I am ‘on about’ your post about Marilyn Monroe’s diet and digestive tract, which is one of those above this. You wrote about it at length and posted a link to an article. If you can’t remember writing it, scroll up.

              It’s a reasonable assumption that someone who writes about something like this and goes to the trouble of making a link is interested in the subject.

              Why did you bother to raise the topic if you were ‘not interested’ in it ?

            • Corky

               /  June 27, 2018

              To annoy nit pickers like you. You have no interest in the topic..why waste your time commenting? Instead of trying to get a rise from me why don’t you be proactive instead of reactive. See my link and comments about the Aussie drone purchase. You post nothing like that. Just sayin!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 27, 2018

              Of course I don’t. I have better things to do with my time than bore people with such stories. Nor am I a busybody who walks up to strangers and asks impertinent questions which are none of my business.

              I doubt very much if your motivation for the Marilyn Monroe article was as you claim, given your fascination with such things.

              My only interest was in the disgusting way that you wrote about the supposed medical details of someone who is dead and cannot refute them. It is ghoulish and repellent to think about that sort of thing in relation to a dead celebrity.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 27, 2018

              I was not annoyed, which may disappoint you. I was disgusted at your prurience and dirty-mindedness.

            • Corky

               /  June 27, 2018

              So, I take it that’s a no to you being proactive. I think it’s incumbent on me to say- I think the problem is with you. Anyone who gets so worked up over the re reportage of cold hard facts and tries to impute an emotional charge into them really needs to do a little introspection..

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 27, 2018

              I don’t give a damn what you think about me. I don’t need to justify my actions to you, M. Erde.

              Anyone who finds some long-dead stranger’s bowel movements so fascinating that they repeat details about them and even post a link to an article on the diet that caused them needs to examine their own motivation for thinking about this, let alone sharing it. !

              Disgust is not synonymous with being worked up. It means that one finds something distasteful and repellent. As many people would find an interest in a dead film star’s purported bowel movements to be.

            • Gezza

               /  June 27, 2018

              😹 Kitty – you are so naughty.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 27, 2018

              Gezza – Corky is so asinine 😀

            • Corky

               /  June 27, 2018

              I must find the book about Marilyn that provided information I used. The author also writes books on psychology. Boy, he could learn a thing or two on this blog, Ms Erde.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 28, 2018

              I don’t want to know such intrusive details; I don’t speculate about dead celebriities bowel movements. I don’t know what sort of person does.

              Ms Erde is meaningless, bien entendu, mserde n’est un mot. Quelle blague !

            • Corky

               /  June 28, 2018

              Ms Erde is meaningless.
              Good to see you are ”getting it.”

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 28, 2018

              Don’t be more ridiculous than you can help being by nature, M. Bouchon. (tete de bois, avec beaucoup de trous) There is nothing there to ‘get’.

              Mserde is not a word, ergo Ms Erde is meaningless. Merde IS a word, ergo M. Erde has a meaning; a play on words. If you knew any French, you would have known this and not made yourself look silly while trying to look clever.

              M. is the French abbreviation for Monsieur; it’s like our Mr. Ms is NOT used in French. Ergo, your ‘clever’ response merely goes to prove your ignorance, not that any further proof is needed.

              I assume that you don’t know what M. Erde means in translation. Le mot actuel est merde, bien entendu.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 28, 2018

              If it’s meaningless….why did you say it ???

            • Corky

               /  June 28, 2018

              That was my point…your posts are meaningless. No, I had no idea what
              Erde meant. Nor was I interested. I find you annoying and prone to hyperbole. I wish you could post something of note. Please go and annoyed Lurchy or Gezza. They seem to like you.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 28, 2018

              Of course a post is meaningless to someone like you who’s incapable of understanding it and has no knowledge of French. You answered with Ms Erde, which means nothing, because to you, espece d’idiote, M. Erde meant nothing.

              You will have to do better than that, M, Bouchon . Trying to talk yourself out of it just reinforces the fact that you are not very well educated and have to resort to abuse rather than reason.

              Rien ne va plus !

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 27, 2018

      The focus on total cost rather than just the interest rate is sensible. They’ll have to be careful to get the criteria right so they curb exploitation without harming the desperate.

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  6. PartisanZ

     /  June 27, 2018

    Nowadays we’re so keen to try to identify “unforeseen consequences” in advance …

    How’s this then? ‘Psychologists struggling to cope with youth anxiety in New Zealand – expert’ – NewSHub

    “Many children start early childhood education from six weeks of age, they might attend for 10 hours a day, five days a week,” she [Elaine West] says. “Children are struggling to form good bonds with parents, parents are struggling to develop parenting skills to know how to parent their young children because there’s not the time there in the day any longer for parents and families and children to be together.”

    Children are also growing up with role models from a generation of undiagnosed anxious parents.”

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/06/psychologists-struggling-to-cope-with-youth-anxiety-in-new-zealand-expert.html

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    • Corky

       /  June 27, 2018

      Well, who is to blame for that? Women wanted out of the house, they got it. Now they live with the consequences.

      ”Ms West recalls one child who was about seven or eight who was so scared they went to bed every night thinking Donald Trump was going to climb through their window and hurt them. ”

      Really?

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      • Corky

         /  June 27, 2018

        Maybe these kids lack a decent diet. It’s well know zinc and Vitamin C improves some mental problems. Perhaps Marilyn knew a thing or two?

        https://www.optimallivingdynamics.com/blog/do-you-have-chronic-stress-and-anxiety-these-two-minerals-might-be-the-cause

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        • Gezza

           /  June 27, 2018

          Kids pick up on the stress of their parents.

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          • Corky

             /  June 27, 2018

            Who are also nutrient deficient. The funny thing is…these same parents always make sure their SUVs have petrol, oil and water. If you asked them why their vehicles needed those products ( nutrients) they would look at you funny.

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          • Gezza

             /  June 27, 2018

            😳

            I’m not surprised a few have looked at you funny.

            It’s not the sort of thing one expects some stranger to come up and ask one.

            Did any of them phone the police on you – or did they just quickly hustle their kids away & tell them not to look at you? o_O

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      • PartisanZ

         /  June 27, 2018

        No Corky, women going out to work is not purely the result of them wanting “out of the house” … There are a raft of factors including, not least, the introduction of the neoliberal economic paradigm which made it increasingly impossible for families to have a stay-at-home caregiver …

        And no Corky … not only women live with the consequences … Men and children both male and female live with the consequences too. Our whole society lives with the consequences.

        Are you self-medicating with Zinc & Vitamin C?

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        • Corky

           /  June 27, 2018

          ”There are a raft of factors including, not least, the introduction of the neoliberal economic paradigm which made it increasingly impossible for families to have a stay-at-home caregiver …”

          That may , to an extent, be true now. But the genesis of this situation started with the Left. Marxism, feminism, liberals, new age thought. Marxists knew their philosophy could never take hold while society had strong family values, regardless of how dysfunctional that unit may be. Break the the family unit, control education, was the only inroad to making society in their own godless graven image. And they did, with great success. Sure, took some time, but boy, look at them now. Up is down. People confused about their gender, free abortion for kids at schools. The non acceptance of evil. And one of the most insidiousness results..replacing individualism and self responsibility with group think and blaming others.

          Basically, a society with no values. That means blank slates that can be filled with what ever you want.

          ”Are you self-medicating with Zinc & Vitamin C?”

          Yes. And I seriously suggest you do the same.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 27, 2018

            I would have thought that a six week old would be a bit young for any sort of education.

            The child who’s afraid of Donald Trump must be a fool if they don’t know which country THEY live in. Do they think that they live in the US ?

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          • PartisanZ

             /  June 27, 2018

            Yeah, that’s Right Corky, World War 2, which is credited with germinating the Women’s Lib movement, was a carefully orchestrated Left-Wing global conflagration, an integral part of the ‘Long March through Institutions’ … just like the military-industrial complex …

            The Nazis presumably formulated Political Correctness? Or was that the US Marine Corps?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 27, 2018

        TDS has a lot to answer for, doesn’t it? I worry for Joe. Pretty sure she thinks Trump might be under her bed.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 27, 2018

          PC has been around forever, just not under that name.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  June 27, 2018

    On a nearby rightwing blog run by David Farrar the alt rights spin doctor, and also works for national and praises America for having guns and using them but the right suffer,THEY LACK THOUGHT,the knuckle draggers don’t think of the downside of guns…sad really
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44617081

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  June 27, 2018

    Donald,you are chopped liver and she could be coming for you,the ethnics know their power now
    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-crowley-new-york-14-primary/index.html

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  9. Corky

     /  June 27, 2018

    You mean like that lady who shot a New Zealander, Lurchy? Here’s some more stuff that kills children. I have a whole lot more if you want.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/05/health/opioid-overdose-children-doubles-study/index.html

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  10. Zedd

     /  June 27, 2018

    Listening to Natl in Q-time & other debates recently.. all Im really hearing is ‘why is there 3 Is not dotted & 2 Ts not crossed.. in your policy documents ?’ (speaking metaphorically)
    Is this what they see as holding the Govt. to account, is all about ?

    Interesting to hear Mr Jones saying something about; he had a conversation with Sir JK about meeting with a USA billionaire businessman;
    OR Is this just ‘standard Tory politicking’ ?

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    • Zedd

       /  June 27, 2018

      we know… the cost of everything.. BUT.. the value of NOTHING… again 😀

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    • Zedd

       /  June 27, 2018

      followed by endless inane fear-mongering & misinfo. about business confidence etc,

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  11. lurcher1948

     /  June 27, 2018

    Some like it hot

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  12. lurcher1948

     /  June 27, 2018

    Folks including Corky can sleep safely at night, this was a Lurcher1948 safety message

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  13. Kitty Catkin

     /  June 27, 2018

    I saw the 3 reporter who was covering that hideous crash. His voice was just under control, just, and he was trembling. No wonder. One must hope that the deaths were instant.

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  14. Gezza

     /  June 27, 2018

    A prominent item on 1ewes tonight was some government announcement on skilled immigration. I didn’t catch it all owing to reading something here, but it was interesting that the angle the reporter was taking was that Labour’s immigration policy is pretty much the exact opposite of what they said they would do & makes a mockery of their election campaign rhetoric on immigration.

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