Trump flames and shames on Harley Davidson

Donald Trump frequently uses high profile shaming, which is an abuse of power. When in response to the trade and tariff war started by Trump Harley Davidson announced they would move some manufacturing offshore to reduce loses due to tariffs Trump has given them a public bollocking.

Reuters:  Trump blasts Harley plan to shift U.S. production to avoid EU tariffs

U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday slammed Harley-Davidson Inc after the motorcycle maker said it would move production for European customers overseas to avoid retaliatory tariffs that could cost it up to $100 million per year.

Harley-Davidson, the dominant player in the heavyweight U.S. motorcycle market said earlier on Monday it would not pass on any retail or wholesale price increases in the EU and instead focus on shifting some U.S. production.

Trump said he has fought hard for the company and was surprised by its plans, which he described as waving the “White Flag.”

“I fought hard for them and ultimately they will not pay tariffs selling into the E.U., which has hurt us badly on trade, down $151 Billion. Taxes just a Harley excuse – be patient!” Trump said in a post on Twitter.

Typically and also alarmingly:

Trump is trying to run a country with impulsive public announcements, flip flops, bullying, threatening, shaming and tantrums.

He seems to have no comprehension of the complexities of policies he promotes, nor does he seem to comprehend the inevitably of unintended consequences.

This may give him some successes, but with inevitable failures, and the number of people he pisses off growing, this could get very messy.

It is looking increasingly like Trump Deranged Syndrome.

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69 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  June 27, 2018

    Seems to me the commentary on Trump’s actions is a lot more inflammatory and hysterical than his.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 27, 2018
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      • Gezza

         /  June 27, 2018

        So now Trump sets out to destroy Harley Davidson. And you defend him. As usual. Pathetic. If a New Zealand government did this to a New Zealand company you’d be whining your outrage. The guy’s an egotistical, nasty bully. Pure & simple. Wake up!

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        • Joe Bloggs

           /  June 27, 2018

          Man who knows nothing about business continues to prove he knows nothing about business.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  June 27, 2018

            That is supposed to say something about something other than your own abysmal ignorance and incompetence?

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            • Joe Bloggs

               /  June 27, 2018

              Warning – Frothy righty exhibits trump derangement syndrome, posts yet more sycophantic trumpy b.s.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 27, 2018

              Lefty has nothing to offer but silly insults. Situation normal.

        • Joe Bloggs

           /  June 27, 2018

          ps. not you Gezza

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 27, 2018

          He hasn’t set out to destroy HD. He pointed out if they try to import into the US from foreign manufacture they will pay more tax. He said he is trying to help them and they should be patient. This gets painted as flaming and slamming by the Lefty press.

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        • David

           /  June 27, 2018

          They announced their move 4 months ago, nothing to do with tariffs logically you need to think it through.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  June 27, 2018

            If the Left could think they wouldn’t be Lefties, David.

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            • Gezza

               /  June 27, 2018

              Read his tweet, Trumpophile. Classic Trump threat, trumpeting at sundry deplorables & other dimwit supporters in the US to boycott Harley Davidson.

            • Griff

               /  June 27, 2018

              Trumps winning.
              I can just imagine thousands of redneck hardly riders trashing their bikes whilst proudly wearing MAGA caps.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 27, 2018

              @Gezza, except he didn’t say any of that. You just invented it.

            • Gezza

               /  June 27, 2018

              It’s called dog whistling Al. When Winston does it you spot it immediately. When the orange ogre does it, it goes straight over your head.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 27, 2018

              I’m not a dog, Gezza. HD does dog-whistling with its American Hog image. Trump is just pointing out the blindingly obvious that their brand will be damaged by overseas manufacture.

              You are inventing your own whistle to pander to your prejudice and put words in Trump’s mouth he hasn’t said or implied.

            • Gezza

               /  June 27, 2018

              I have no more time for ya sychophantic defences of that man.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 27, 2018

              That’s pathetic. Don’t like facts do you?

            • Gezza

               /  June 27, 2018

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 27, 2018

              Ok, play with your stamps and sulk then.

            • Gezza

               /  June 27, 2018

              I never sulk Al.

  2. Patzcuaro

     /  June 27, 2018

    Pete I think you are being a little unfair to Trump he is just a simple family man trying to leave the US in a better place for his children. Unlike that deplorable Obama who wasn’t even born in the US, who destroyed countries and sold children to people traffickers. And don’t let me get started on that Clinton who tried to stop the the US becoming great again. Make Trump Great Again.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 27, 2018

      Sad when that’s the level of discourse and comprehension of the vast majority of the Left’s electorate.

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  3. Joe Bloggs

     /  June 27, 2018

    trump attacks Canada, mangles facts
    trump attacks Mexico, mangles facts
    trump attacks the EU, mangles facts
    trump attacks Harley, mangles facts

    Maybe it’s just me, but I sense a pattern here …

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    • Corky

       /  June 27, 2018

      Trump attacks The Red Hen and gets it right. It needs a good paint job and some moss removal. Unfortunately the people inside are beyond remedial action.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  June 27, 2018

        oh you poor wee snowflake…Red Hen needs a wee widdle bit of 30 Seconds? Cry me a frickin’ river.

        Then talk to me about the 78 health-code violations in three years trump’s branded properties picked up in only 3 years, including:
        – dirty cutting boards
        – chefs preparing food without washing their hands
        – an “accumulation of ‘black/green mold-like substance’ in the ice machine.”
        – improperly refrigerated meat
        – serving unsafe seafood
        – etc.

        Serving unsafe seafood? improperly refrligerated meat? The perfect recipe for serious food poisoning – welcome to Mar-a-lago… bleurgghhhhh… unfortunately the owner’s beyond remedial action.

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        • Corky

           /  June 27, 2018

          That was a little nasty, Bloggs. Maybe liberals should stop being holier-than-thou. That would save them, and you, much embarrassment. And save me time having to point out the obvious to the likes of you. The moral high ground is great. Not so great when you are continually rolling down the hill.

          You have a great day.

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          • Joe Bloggs

             /  June 27, 2018

            People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, Corky. You of all people should know that…

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  4. NOEL

     /  June 27, 2018

    So HD will ship from its existing planst outside of the US to the EU to maintain market share by avoiding the tarriff.
    Sound like great business practice to me.

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  5. Corky

     /  June 27, 2018

    ”The Aura will be gone and they will be taxed like never before!”

    Yep, HD always promotes the image of the modern day cowboy astride is iron steed. A
    patriotic freedom soldier riding the highways of America; hair flowing in the wind. Peace loving, but willing to kick arse should the need arise.

    Well, that’s the image. The reality is HD has become another limp wrist liberal conclave.

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    • Gezza

       /  June 27, 2018

      Harley sells that image & those iconic cruisers world-wide. There are thousands of divorced, middle-aged-crisis-ridden blokes & retired old buggers, who’ve all seen Easy Rider, hearing Born To Be Wild in their heads, cruising along the highway & puttering around town, reliving their youth, on Hogs all over the world. Plenty in NZ. A bunch of the leather-clad old fuckers turn up here at the local RSA every Labour Weekend.

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      • Corky

         /  June 27, 2018

        Lol…I’m one of them. I’m young and wild…until my knee hurts, back stiffens and the vibrations from the mill mangle my testicles. HD have the cheek to talk about their improved vibration dampening system.

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  6. Griff

     /  June 27, 2018

    A Harley-Davidson should never be built in ANY country-
    There you are some simple editing fixes his gibbering rubbish.
    Hardly D is already under pressure as the realty that they build over priced obsolete crap has over taken “The Aura” aka advertising bullshite.
    https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/05/03/harley-davidson-sales-go-from-bad-to-worse.aspx

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  7. Joe Bloggs

     /  June 27, 2018

    Oh my…

    Largest US nail manufacturer ‘on the brink of extinction’ because of the steel tariffs… Orders for nails plunged 50% after the company raised its prices to deal with higher steel costs.
    http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/26/news/companies/steel-tariffs-job-losses/index.html

    farmers are seeing crop prices fall and export markets shrink after Trump’s tariffs triggered a wave of retaliation from buyers of U.S. apples, cheese, potatoes, bourbon and soybeans… could contribute to a 30 percent drop in income for Ohio corn and soybean farmers this year… net farm income in Ohio could drop as much as 63 percent in 2019
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-agriculture/trumps-tariff-war-threatens-to-erode-support-of-farmers-idUSKBN1JE2X2

    so much for trade wars being good, and easy to win.

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    • Griff

       /  June 27, 2018

      FWIW Alan.
      From your link.
      Judge William Alsup of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California said in the ruling that the dangers raised by the complainants were real and worldwide, and both parties accepted the science behind global warming.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 27, 2018

        Accepting science is quite different from accepting alarmism.

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  8. Zedd

     /  June 27, 2018

    one thing seems clear.. “make America Great Again’ should perhaps add.. ‘as long as Mr T/his cronies.. benefit from it’ ?

    as Ive said; what if other countries, (on his hit-list) stopped buying; Coca-cola, KFC, McCrap, Starbucks etc. ? the economy would crash ??

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  9. David

     /  June 27, 2018

    Harley announced to the stock market they were moving 4 months prior to Trumps tariffs. If it was tariffs they were worried about then they obviously wouldn’t move as building offshore would invoke them.
    Fake news and usual diatribe of click baiting anti Trump crap from the msm

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  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  June 27, 2018

    Yep, MSM business as usual.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 27, 2018

      That was supposed to reply to David above. Clicked on the reply link. Didn’t work.

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      • Gezza

         /  June 27, 2018

        Didn’t work? 🙄
        You screwed up, Al.
        Everyone knows. 😎

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 27, 2018

          Nope. I clicked on the link and it didn’t change the reference. I thought it looked suspicious and it was.

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          • Gezza

             /  June 27, 2018

            Did you refresh the page and try again before posting?

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            • Joe Bloggs

               /  June 27, 2018

              Nope. He just screwed up. And as usual blames everyone lse for his incompetence. – straight from the trump school of civility.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 27, 2018

              I haven’t blamed anyone else you idiot but since you insist I’ll blame you.

            • Gezza

               /  June 27, 2018

              I’m hoping you mean Joe there, but did you refresh the page before you posted when you thought there might be a problem, Al? You were too busy abusing Joe to say.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 27, 2018

              No, I was more interested in seeing if there was a problem.

            • Gezza

               /  June 27, 2018

              Well, next time give it a go. We might be able to avoid all this unpleasantness.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 27, 2018

              Why? Things that work as expected are not interesting. Things that go wrong are because you can learn from them. Unless of course you are a silly Lefty that knows everything and will never learn anything.

            • Gezza

               /  June 27, 2018

              Why? Because that sometimes fixes the problem, I’ve found.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 27, 2018

              That doesn’t fix the problem. It just works around it.

            • Gezza

               /  June 27, 2018

              Well it fixes it if no one else is having the problem. Have you found out what caused the problem?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 27, 2018

              No, just established there is a problem. Next time I’ll investigate why.

    • Griff

       /  June 27, 2018

      What I find surprising is Davids assertion is taken with no evidence.
      Harley has just said it will switch production from the USA to Thailand for the bikes it sells into Europe.
      Good business sense .
      MAGA
      The worlds best negotiator starts a trade war.
      Pity about those collateral damage USA workers .

      World trade
      Almost all consumer goods you buy has content from around the world .
      Trump will only succeeded in making Made in USA noncompetitive by protecting inefficient industry’s.

      Trump has gone barging in to the worlds stage thinking he can threaten like a bully.
      The victims of his arrogance have replied with carefully targeted retaliation aimed at his supporter base.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  June 27, 2018

        Quite true. But facts don’t matter to the trumpistas.

        trump really has jumped the shark on his tariffs.

        Take the auto industry that he’s now threatening with tariffs on imports. There’s not a single US auto manufacturer nor a single auto-workers group that is calling for tariffs to be imposed in cars. Ford, for example, is encouraging trump to lower tariffs rather than raise them, “because we believe that free and fair trade leads to economic growth and provides the most opportunity.” (Joe Hinrichs, Ford Exec VP).

        And all that the likes of Alan and David can do is froth from the sidelines with their baseless claims and identity politics. Poor bloody snowflakes.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 27, 2018

          @Joe, it warms my heart to see the loony Left arguing for free trade. It just shows the miracles Trumpy is performing.

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          • Griff

             /  June 27, 2018

            And all that the likes of Alan and David can do is froth from the sidelines with their baseless claims and identity politics. Poor bloody snowflakes.

            Indeed.

            “loony left” ……”miracles Trumpy is performing”.

            It is though the part of the brain responsible for rational thought has been bypassed.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 27, 2018

              I think you had a SOH bypass, Griff. When did it happen?

            • Griff

               /  June 27, 2018

              Umm Alan
              I find the group think and blind allegiance to the orangutan to be hugely amusing on one level
              However.
              The easy acceptance of the fascism inherent in Trumps uttering reminds one of how easy normal humans can become willing belsen guards.

      • Corky

         /  June 27, 2018

        ”The worlds best negotiator starts a trade war.
        Pity about those collateral damage USA workers.”

        Griff, that’s what happens when you bite the bullet. To me, America carrying on with its usual economic practices, especially kowtowing instead of taking decisive action, was untenable.

        China thieves American technology. Other countries maintain tariffs were America didn’t;or at
        least with reduced rates.

        That’s why Trump is pissed of with HD. If Trump wins these trade wars, America is set for life.

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        • Griff

           /  June 27, 2018

          I know it is hard for you when you have an irrational infatuation with D Trump.
          We live in NZ .
          Long ago NZ had a protected agricultural industry.
          We stopped the transfer of wealth to inefficient industry’s and opened our boarders.
          Our agricultural sector has boomed .It has adapted by diversifying and adding value.

          Trumps move towards protectionism will reduce NZ incs trade opportunity’s.

          Protectionism is a backward step that inevitable leads to stagnant inefficient industry.

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          • Corky

             /  June 27, 2018

            ”I know it is hard for you when you have an irrational infatuation with D Trump.”

            I wouldn’t go that far. But I’m infatuated with him doing something.

            ”Long ago NZ had a protected agricultural industry. Our agricultural sector has boomed .It has adapted by diversifying and adding value.”

            We had no choice. We are a small country. Trump has choices. That is not to say economic damage wont occur, as I have conceded above.

            And, who implemented those changes. Why another dude who actually DID SOMETHING..Roger Douglas.

            ”Protectionism is a backward step that inevitable leads to stagnant inefficient industry.”

            I agree. But Trump is collecting bargaining chips. Let’s hope he succeeds.
            The economic enemies of America are being house trained after an easy ride over the last few decades. Lets hope again they learn their lesson.

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  11. lurcher1948

     /  June 27, 2018


    Have you farted donald??…you are with adults so behave yourself

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    • Corky

       /  June 27, 2018

      So, Lurchy. Can you spot the bully (s) ? Take your time.

      Reply
  12. Patzcuaro

     /  June 27, 2018
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