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28 June 2018

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  1. Ray

     /  June 28, 2018

    Who knew the UK was so far behind the eight ball when it came to civil unions/partnership between heterosexual couples, NZ had these laws 40 plus years ago.
    They still don’t have the rights of a married couple or same sex civil partners but that has been deemed unlawful.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/27/the-guardian-view-on-heterosexual-civil-partnerships-a-good-thing

  2. lurcher1948

     /  June 28, 2018

    I love coming here and reading educated posts after scimming over screeds of hate on kiwiblog.PG if your blog turned into that altright hate feast I think you would close it down as you have standard’s

    • Corky

       /  June 28, 2018

      What about a liberal hate feast, Lurchy? There’s a few of those floating around, here and there.

      • lurcher1948

         /  June 28, 2018

        Over on that nearby righting blog he only needs to post”whats better cats or dogs”and there will be 200 hate posts involving Winston,nazis,jew haters Jacindas baby ,rape camps, we was robbed and on and on it goes…there are some sick puppies* out there,Corky
        *figure of speech

    • duperez

       /  June 28, 2018

      I took that as an invitation to look on the other site. Some use the anonymity well. Hopefully those with the most vile minds and attitudes aren’t raising children or haven’t done so.

  3. Corky

     /  June 28, 2018

    This Aussie MP wants to give women the right to carry tasers and pepper spray for self defence. As usual, the usual suspects object. Let’s hope they are following the case of the New Zealander getting ready to do at least 15 years hard time in America.

    A valid concern of opponents is the use of these weapons by criminals should they become legal.

    I would propose this type of legislation: ‘The Misuse Of Civilian Defence Weapons Act.’

    Any person using such weapons to commit crimes will face a mandatory five years jail term.
    So, if Billy Galah robs a dude on the street of his smart phone and uses a taser in the act, he will now face eight years in jail instead of three.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/should-australian-women-be-allowed-to-carry-tasers-and-pepper-spray/news-story/b08dd65a7d56a032fd89f97328f13f04

    • Zedd

       /  June 28, 2018

      @corky

      so.. you support ‘mass medication’ through the water supply ?

      when I turn on my tap, all i want is clean H2O to come out.. :/

      IF; I want Fluoride to clean my teeth, I can use toothpaste to do it. There is evidence that putting it in water, is having longterm effects on bones & internal organs too.

      “wake up” many of the so-called ‘experts’ are being funded to tell us all B-S on behalf of corporate interests ! 😦

      • High Flying Duck

         /  June 28, 2018

        There is evidence that over-fluoridation leads to issues. I don’t think there is any that suggests the levels we use cause any issues at all.
        There is however strong evidence that non-fluoridation of water leads to significantly worse dental health, which can lead to other issues.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  June 28, 2018

        Here’s your go to guy on the Meth houses talking fluoride:

        ‘It is absolutely clear that at doses used in New Zealand to adjust the natural level to one that is consistent with beneficial effects (0.7–1.0ppm), there is no risk from fluoride in the water.’
        Professor Sir Peter Gluckman, Chief Science Advisor, Office of the Prime Minister’s Science Advisory Committee.

        • Blazer

           /  June 28, 2018

          ‘I can find an expert to give you a …different opinion’.

      • PDB

         /  June 28, 2018

        Zedd – the guy who says cannabis 100% cures cancer is now saying fluoride will eat our babies & then he tells the experts to ‘wake up’….hilarious!

        • Zedd

           /  June 28, 2018

          @pdb

          oh dear.. how sad

          pull your head out.. if you are going to ‘quote me’.. make an effort to get it correct 🙂

      • Corky

         /  June 28, 2018

        ”so.. you support ‘mass medication’ through the water supply ?”

        Relax, Zedd. I am anti fluoride.

        • Corky

           /  June 28, 2018

          Notice what the most intelligent( respectful) people in the world do regarding fluoridation.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation_by_country

          • PDB

             /  June 28, 2018

            Listen to the difference fluoride in our water supply made to people’s teeth by those at the coalface who saw teeth before and after that time period – you might change your tune.

            • Corky

               /  June 28, 2018

              @PDB.

              There is good evidence on both sides of this debate. My cousin, whose mum was a dental nurse made him apply fluoride caps to his teeth each night. He is 50 with no fillings.

              Conversely, I who lived in a non fluoridated area and who ate copious quantities of lollies and chocolate, had a filling in every molar by the time I reached college.

              Twenty years ago, a holistic dentist suggested I brush my teeth every time I ate chocolate because he believed the sticky consistency of chocolate was a major cause of my dental decay. He also advised me to salt my food once a day with sea salt and have two teaspoonfuls of kelp a week. I haven’t had a filling since apart from replacing old fillings.

              I get tired of people who know stuff all about the subject pontificating. You hear them all the time in the media. They either say fluoride is good…because scientist say it’s good. Or, fluoride is bad because the guvment is trying to control them.

          • Gezza

             /  June 28, 2018

            He’s not alone.

          • Gezza

             /  June 28, 2018

            And if you have any questions about Alex Jones’s credibility this should answer them.

        • Zedd

           /  June 28, 2018

          ‘Relax, Zedd. I am anti fluoride.’ sez corky

          I stand corrected.. 🙂 😀

    • Zedd

       /  June 28, 2018

      sounds like the comments from S Jones, yesterday Q-time ?

    • High Flying Duck

       /  June 28, 2018

      Was this the bit you liked?:

      “Any suggestion that I’ve done something dishonourable, well it started with my conversations with John and I don’t think he’s dishonourable in any way or form,” Jones said.

      • Blazer

         /  June 28, 2018

        no this…’Key making contact with Jones wasn’t unusual given he’d previously appointed Jones an ambassador to the Pacific under his prime ministership.’….you scratch my back….

  4. Zedd

     /  June 28, 2018

    I watched the committee stage of Jan Logie’s members bill (Domestic violence leave) last evening.. what a load of nonsense from the Natl MPs; ‘We support the ideas behind it.. but will NOT be voting for it’ (paraphrased)
    There was even comments that:
    1) workers will be flooding to take this leave.. lying about their circumstances
    2) workers who suffer domestic/sexual violence should use sick/holiday leave & not expect, any special leave

    Typical extreme Tory attitudes.. ‘we only care how it will impact the bosses profit margins.. not the workers’

    Some Govt. MPs said that many business’ are in favour of such moves, but this would ensure all ‘fell into line’ with ensuring their workers get a fair go, on this issue

    btw; It did get enough to pass this stage; Lab/NZF/Grns 63 votes 🙂

    • PartisanZ

       /  June 28, 2018

      Zedd, even a Lefty like me didn’t see this legislation coming … and I don’t remember hearing about it in any election manifesto.

      Why are you in favour of it?

      • Zedd

         /  June 29, 2018

        It was a members bill, not a Govt one; brought by Ms Logie

        ‘Why are you in favour of it?’ sez PZ
        I used to be a Union organiser (‘in a previous life’) & it is ‘support for workers rights’ IMHO

  5. Gezza

     /  June 28, 2018

    😮 Some (I think, unnamed) Minister got a right bollocking read out by Speaker Trev before Question Time started for his shithouse replies to some Written Questions – which deliberately sought to avoid providing answers & would not have been accepted as in order as answers for any Oral Questions.

    He is required to provide new replies, giving proper answers, by Tuesday 3 July, & the offence was so blatant an obviously incensed Trev awarded the Opposition an additional 20 supplementary questions, to be used by the end of next week. 😐

    • High Flying Duck

       /  June 28, 2018

      I still have issues with the whole awarding and taking away of questions. It smacks of school teacher tactics and doesn’t seem fitting for parliament.
      However good to see some level of accountability being enforced.

      • Gezza

         /  June 28, 2018

        I’ll look at the video when it’s posted & diarise it to check for the replies on the Parliament website. I think he read out the question numbers. Dying to know who the idiot smart arse was.

        • Gezza

           /  June 28, 2018

          Ah – It’s Phil Twyford. Hipkins has got up to accept Twyford was a tit but challenge some minor point Trev. Trev has corrected him.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  June 28, 2018

          Of the questions Ms Collins submitted, she asked:

          “Has there been any decisions made since then regarding whether KiwiBuild homeowners be allowed to rent out rooms for profit in their KiwiBuild home?”

          Mr Twyford replied: “The Member will have to wait until announcements are made, but if the Member is volunteering to peek in the windows of her constituents, I will take that under advisement.”

          Phil Twyford accuses Judith Collins of ‘continual fake surprise’ as she questions him over KiwiBuild

          Ms Collins asked: “How many electricians will the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development employ?”, to which Mr Twyford added to the end of his answer, “If the Member is on the look out for work, she should keep an eye on the classifieds.”

          She also asked, “how many more sleeps are required before a decision is made regarding KiwiBuild eligibility rules and income testing?”, which the Housing Minister answered: “It depends on how frequently the Member sleeps.”

          Ms Collins’ last question was, “When he said in answer to Oral Question No 4 on 23 May 2018, ‘I’m surprised that that member is suggesting there should be income limits’, does this mean that there should not be income limits?”

          Mr Twyford replied: “It meant I was surprised that the National Party, which wanted to give a thousand dollar a year tax cut to millionaires, was suddenly interested in income limits.”

          This link includes the above plus video of the Speaker’s ruling:

          https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/watch-housing-minister-scolded-speaker-completely-unacceptable-answers-judith-collins-questions?auto=5802879786001

          • Gezza

             /  June 28, 2018

            Yeah I missed seeing the start. I had 3 possibilities in mind, but Twyford was my number 1 suspect. The guy’s a liability. He’s a bloody juvenile. Never grown up. Never going to.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  June 28, 2018

              Yep – those answers were childish.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  June 28, 2018

    A question, whats Gerry Brownlees collar size, are they specially made in Hong Kong, and HOW DOES HE BREATH with his chubby/fat neck covering it,and how long does it take one to get into this disgusting shape, in bellamys and is it a National party thing

    • Gezza

       /  June 28, 2018

      No I’m looking at Megan Woods answering Question 8 & it’s pretty obvious from her that it’s not National Party thing.

      • lurcher1948

         /  June 28, 2018

        She’s an apprentice, she will have to struggle to eat more to top the woodwork teacher, and again im 69 and i can still see”percy” when i look down when i have to go.This was brought on by question time in parliament and looking at Gerry being Nationals cheerleader, and i thought he’s getting fatter,(don’t eat yourself to death Gerry)

        • Gezza

           /  June 28, 2018

          Actually there are several already reasonably generously proportioned Labour members. We’ll have to see how long it takes for Bellamy’s pie n pastries to get the better of them.

    • lurcher1948

       /  June 28, 2018

      We love and respect our”betters” whom we vote in,Bellamys at it…best

      (our betters and the rich pricks)

  7. lurcher1948

     /  June 28, 2018
    • lurcher1948

       /  June 28, 2018

      GASP,David Seymor ACT(the party of one)caught a bus in the middle of the day.David who doesn’t own a home or car is a sad individual so should we start a give a little page for this failed capitalist…sad really as he’s selling his jock strap and twearking gear,PS everyone who he abused(greens) were at work and David swans in ithe middle of the day
      http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/david-seymours-twitter-escapade-falls-under-bus/

      • Gezza

         /  June 28, 2018

        Blimey. Even managed to look like a homeless person at the wrong end of the mental health service crisis. Poor ACT. Just a frackin joke now.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 28, 2018

          He does own a car; I think that he owns two, One is the one that he usually uses which has the usual photo etc, the other is a sports car.

          He uses buses from the airport to save taxpayer money and because it’s faster. than using a parliamentary vehicle.

          He has taken virtually no time off, less than any other MP.

          Any more illinforned criticisms ?

          • Patzcuaro

             /  June 28, 2018

            He can’t dance 😊

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 28, 2018

              He can now; didn’t you see his waltz and quickstep ? Even the judges had to say that he was really improving and doing well. Those two dances were very good indeed.

  8. High Flying Duck

     /  June 28, 2018

    Follow up on Winston’s interview on the winter energy payment:

  9. Zedd

     /  June 28, 2018

    I watched the vote (parliament) on the CPTPP (1st reading).
    I thought all Govt. parties were now supporting it (C&S agreement).. but a voice called for a ‘party vote’.. it passed 112-8, no points for guessing which party voted against 😀

  10. Gezza

     /  June 28, 2018

  11. Kitty Catkin

     /  June 28, 2018

    I have just read who the (now seven) people who died in the Waverley crash were.

    A husband and wife.

    The husband’s sister.

    A friend of the three

    In the other car …

    An eight week old baby

    The father of the baby who was 28

    His little stepdaughter who was 8

    The mother of the two and partner of the dead man

    What on earth will it be like when she has to be told what has happened ?

    • Gezza

       /  June 28, 2018

      It’s awful. All I know is one of the cars crossed the centre line. I’d like to know which one & for what reason.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  June 29, 2018

        It sounded as if the road was slippery.

        Someone in the paper was bleating about how long the roads are closed after fatal crashes…mean-spirited git. It’s better to be delayed by a crash than be in one.

        I was once in a car on a busy road at night when some moron decided to pass and came straight at us. I thought that I was going to die then and there; it was beyond terrifying. Somehow my ex avoided a collision as the cretin somehow squeezed back in (probably giving the driver behind him heart failure) I remember flinging my hands up in an atavistic gesture to ward the crash off. After ? years, I still feel sick remembering it, being blinded by their headlights and being sure that we were going to be hit.