“…so thanks for your prayers, but I couldn’t give a fuck about them if there’s nothing else

There’s been a lot of the usual ‘thoughts and prayers’ offered after the Annapolis shooting, but they are little more than saying ‘hello’ or ‘goodbye’, well intentioned but meaningless.

One Capital Gazette staff writer, Selene San Felice, put this into more meaningful words in a CNN  interview today.

I have heard that President Trump sent his prayers. I’m not trying to make this political, alright? But we need more than prayers. I appreciate the prayers. I was praying the entire time I was under that desk. I want your prayers, but I want something else.”

“I just don’t know what I want right now. Right?” she said. “But I’m going to need more than a couple days of news coverage and some thoughts and prayers, because … our whole lives have been shattered. And so thanks for your prayers, but I couldn’t give a fuck about them if there’s nothing else.”

Sadly, if this shooting is like last week’s shooting and last month’s shooting and all the other US mass shootings, after a few days of saying something must be done there will probably be nothing else that will change anything.

More from CNN in Capital Gazette staff writers say they need more than prayers

Capital Gazette staff writer Phil Davis questioned society’s response to mass shootings.

“If we’re going to have a position in our society where all we offer each other is prayers, then where are we? Where are we as a society, where people die and that’s the end of that story”.

He said he heard the gunman shoot through a glass door on the first floor. Davis, a crime and courts reporter, said he wondered if they were all going to die when he heard the gunman reload. He said The Capital’s employees were just doing their jobs and had no motive to hate the gunman.

“It makes you feel powerless. It makes you feel helpless. It removes all control from every facet of your life within only a few seconds once you understand what’s happening”.

There were US wide protests and demands after a school shooting a while ago. Until the next shooting.

Someone needs to show some leadership and make real change in the US. But I don’t see that happening.

It’s easy to say ‘thoughts and prayers’. But the US needs something else.

More: https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/maryland-newspaper-shooting/index.html

82 Comments

  1. Kitty Catkin

     /  June 29, 2018

    Thoughts and prayers, yeah, right. Trump seems to think that saying that will make some difference.

    • Corky

       /  June 29, 2018

      What do you expect him say?

      • Corky

         /  June 29, 2018

        Sorry, didn’t see your answer below.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  June 29, 2018

        That the gun laws that allow a mass shooting to occur every day (154 so far this year) are wrong and need to be changed so that innocent people can go to school, university and work and know that they won’t be murdered or wounded by some loony with a gun.

  2. That’s the ones who were killed. There’s a lot more victims. Some were injured. Some were psychologically impacted. and there are many more.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 29, 2018

      Oh well, thoughts and prayers have been sent.

      • Corky

         /  June 29, 2018

        In my opinion the Second Amendment must be protected at all costs. Unfortunately for people like you it’s impossible to explain why it is so important. A mother recently protected her daughter with a gun. A nation will be able to protect itself against a rogue government should it come to the crunch.

        I have no problem with them tightening up on gun laws provided every law abiding citizen can still purchase firearms.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 29, 2018

          It’s impossible to explain why it’s important that children are massacred in the name of the Second Amendment. It’s impossible to explain why these five latest victims are in morgues and not in their homes. It’s impossible to explain why it’s so important to protect a distorted interpretation of an old amendment that the US has a mass shooting every day.

          Good luck explaining that to any rational person, or anyone who’s been affected by these massacres.

          How gracious of you to concede that tightening the laws might be a good idea…but you negate this by saying that law abiding citizens should still be able to buy firearms. What justification is there for anyone to own an assault rifle ?

          • Corky

             /  June 29, 2018

            You want rational. Try this. Your problem is you are dazzled with democracy and first world living. What you don’t get and never will until someone is about to slit your throat is this: the membrane of civilised living can be popped at any time.

            Many Americans are ready for that situation. Are you?

            https://en.wikiList_of_events_named_massacrespedia.org/wiki/

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 29, 2018

              Bullshit. Don’t put words in my mouth. It’s bloody arrogant and bloody rude.

              The chance of anyone slitting my throat is neglibible. Another straw man argument from you.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 29, 2018

              If someone’s about to slit your throat, what would you suggest could be done ? They won’t obligingly stop while you go for your gun.

            • Corky

               /  June 29, 2018

              Forget the rhetoric…and your hyperbole is tiresome. Tell me about the massacres. You know, people slaughtered because they couldn’t defend themselves..

              ”If someone’s about to slit your throat, what would you suggest could be done.”

              Depends on how they are holding you. The best you could do is raise your shoulders allowing for a small reactionary gap between your throat and the knife. That would allow you to manipulate the knife hand, secure the knife and run like hell.

              Of course you wouldn’t know that because you always believe our society will continue to be benign. So, why think about defence of yourself and your country?

            • Corky

               /  June 29, 2018

              Oh, boy. But, but, this couldn’t happen could it? Of course not. And if it does, hey, take your lumps like good kiwis do…then blame those loony right wing nutters in Montana.

              https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/06/recent-dhs-assaults-taken-directly-out-of-radical-leftist-playbook/

          • phantom snowflake

             /  June 29, 2018

            There’s not much resemblance between firearms at the time of the Second Amendment (1791) and the aforementioned assault rifle…

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 29, 2018

              I read that as ‘not much DIFFERENCE’ for a minute :/

              Muskets, flintlocks and pistols needed to be reloaded for every shot, and a skilled user might be able to fire three shots a minute. AK47s are a tiny bit faster than that, I imagine. Something the NRA omits to mention…

              The law was for a specific purpose and time, not as a means for anyone who wanted to do a massacre of the innocent to be able to do so with weapons bought over the counter. They couldn’t have foreseen modern firearms.

          • David

             /  June 29, 2018

            “It’s impossible to explain why it’s important that children are massacred in the name of the Second Amendment. It’s impossible to explain why these five latest victims are in morgues and not in their homes. It’s impossible to explain why it’s so important to protect a distorted interpretation of an old amendment that the US has a mass shooting every day.”

            What would the murder rate be in the US with NZ style gun laws?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 30, 2018

              What if is impossible to answer, it has to be pure conjecture.

          • David

             /  June 29, 2018

            ” What justification is there for anyone to own an assault rifle ?”

            I own a number of them, they are fun.

        • Griff

           /  June 29, 2018

          A nation will be able to protect itself against a rogue government should it come to the crunch.

          Yip a rifle is really going to protect you from an A10.
          Brrrrp from a mile away and you are a smear of red mist.
          Or from a cruise missile that can place nice lump of HE on your living room coffee table.
          The nonsense that is rising up against a goverment is far right survivalist fantasy. Small arms are not going to protect you from a modern army.

          A well regulated militia, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

          A bunch of redneck gun nuts running around with m16 clones is not ” A well regulated militia”.

          • Gezza

             /  June 29, 2018

            No. exactly. The National Guard is the well-regulated militia.

            • David

               /  June 29, 2018

              “No. exactly. The National Guard is the well-regulated militia.”

              Can you please kindly reference where the Supreme Court rule this?

            • Gezza

               /  June 29, 2018

              They haven’t. That’s why they have this problem.

            • David

               /  June 29, 2018

              So your statement is incorrect.

            • Gezza

               /  June 29, 2018

              No. My statement is correct. It is simply not constrained by their law or their Supreme Court. While the US has in the past at times & in some ways been an example of a workng democracy that operates for the overall benefit of the people it actually no longer does & while there are obviously millions of good people in it, its society is at war with itself & its government & it’s actually now a really fucked up place in many ways.

        • Patzcuaro

           /  June 29, 2018

          @Corky rise up in arms the rogue government has already arrived, man the barricades, sharpen the guillotine, liberty for all.

          • Corky

             /  June 29, 2018

            See above..it’s not Righties you need to worry about,

  3. MaureenW

     /  June 29, 2018

    What should Trump say? What should he do?

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 29, 2018

      He could start by saying that he’s going to do something about the gun laws that make 154 mass shootings in 6 months possible, and break his ties with the NRA. Taking money from them was a stupid move, putting him under an obligation to them.

      • Gezza

         /  June 29, 2018

        The problem they have is that probably over half of Congress is bought by them.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 29, 2018

          His acceptance of their money and his endorsement of them is incredibly stupid and shows very poor judgement.

          Have you seen the vicious video with Dana (Loesch) threatening and vilifying the press and anyone who disagrees with the NRA (made soon after the Florida massacre) which ends with the black-clad charmer saying that their time is running out as she upends an hourglass ? It’s scary stuff.

        • David

           /  June 29, 2018

          “The problem they have is that probably over half of Congress is bought by them.”

          Over half Congress gets elected by them.

      • Patzcuaro

         /  June 29, 2018

        @ Kitty, can’t do that (change the gun laws) he has taken money from the NRA. Keeping the NRA happy is more important that children’s safety at school. It is much easier to say our thoughts and prayers are with you.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 29, 2018

          At last someone else who sees reason and doesn’t think that massacred children are a reasonable price to pay for allowing any nutcase to have the right to carry any sort of weapon that they like.

  4. sorethumb

     /  June 29, 2018

    We dont know what his issue with the newspaper is yet.

    • Gezza

       /  June 29, 2018

      Yes we do. They published something about his being convicted for domestic violence or something & he sued them for defamation but lost. Seems to be being suggested he’s a mental case.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  June 29, 2018

        It is to do with Trump that he supports the NRA and does nothing about the gun laws in the US. How many more people have to be killed before he takes the hint that these laws are flawed and kicks the NRA out of bed ?

        He and his cronies who do nothing are enabling these killers.

        • David

           /  June 29, 2018

          “How many more people have to be killed before he takes the hint that these laws are flawed and kicks the NRA out of bed ?”

          Your do realise that most Americans consider these murders to be an acceptable price to pay for the freedom to own firearms don’t you?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 29, 2018

            How do you know that ?

            I wonder if anyone who thought that would have it as their last thought as someone pulled the trigger and blew their head off. “Oh well, it’s an acceptable price to pay for freedom.’

            Why do you think that so many people are protesting and demanding changes ?

            • David

               /  June 29, 2018

              “Why do you think that so many people are protesting and demanding changes ?”

              Because they have completely failed to win the argument at the voting booths.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 30, 2018

              Or because they are selfish enough not to want to be murdered in the name of freedom ?

          • Gezza

             /  June 29, 2018

            Yes, they do. The NRA loves it. They need the freedom to sell firearms to people who are going to pay to own firearms so other Americans with the freedom to own firearms can be killed when they are killing other people with the freedom to own firearms.

        • MaureenW

           /  June 29, 2018

          Emotive garbage, Americans have been killing other people and each other with guns for ever. I wouldn’t want to live there myself, but if I did I’d want a gun too.

          • Gezza

             /  June 29, 2018

            Yup. If I lived there I’d own a handgun. The whole glorifies gun violence and war. Just look at their movies & video games.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 29, 2018

            There haven’t been school massacres forever. And even if they have been killing each other with guns, that scarcely seems a good reason to do nothing to stop this.

            Having a gu oneself won’t stop one’s child from being murdered in a massacre.

            • MaureenW

               /  June 29, 2018

              What do they watch – what games do they play – who makes the programs and games?
              Evil, unstable or deranged people who want to kill will find a way.
              https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12080305

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 30, 2018

              The link between the two has been argued back and forth for many years. Most people who watch and play those things don’t turn into mass murderers. The Las Vegas killer was a seemingly respectable man with a profession, if I remember rightly.

              In the old days, criminals used to blame reading the Newgate Calendar or penny dreadfuls for their crimes.

              The US gun laws enable the few loonies/evil people to carry out their crimes.

            • David

               /  June 29, 2018

              “There haven’t been school massacres forever.”

              That is not true.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 30, 2018

              It is true.

              Yes, in the c.19 there were a few, as far as I can see they were single killings, not the massacres that we think of as school shootings. Some decades had one. The 1850s had 3….and so on.

              Massacres in schools in the US have not gone on forever.

      • Gezza

         /  June 29, 2018

        Oh, I see from that Breitbart article he was a mentally disturbed stalker who continually harassed & threatened some innocent well-meaning young woman who tried to suggest where he could get some help for his problems, including trying to get her fired. The paper published details about his case. I wonder if he had legally purchased the shotgun. Some msm outlets seem to be making a link between his rampage & the language Trump uses against the media suggesting Trump’s rhetoric might have been the trigger. Possible I suppose. Long shot though. Still, that’s the kind of war Trump started & continues so it’ll continue that way until he goes. Sells papers. Gets everyone attention. Win win for Trump & the msm. Lose lose for US voters.

        • MaureenW

           /  June 29, 2018

          I read that the guys beef with the newspaper started in 2011. Brewing for a while.

          • Patzcuaro

             /  June 29, 2018

            So you are blaming Obama?

            • MaureenW

               /  June 29, 2018

              No, they have a huge problem – I don’t know how they would go about changing their Constitution and gathering up 265 million odd guns. Have you seen any country do this?

            • Gezza

               /  June 29, 2018

              Didn’t Australia do that – changed their gun laws & collected up guns?

              I think the Americans & Russians did in Germany & Japan, changed their laws and collected up all the locals’s guns.

              They did it in Iraq too, I think, but we all saw how that turned out. So I expect they wouldn’t have a shit show of doing it in their own country where the NRA actually controls the Congress.

            • MaureenW

               /  June 29, 2018

              In Australia they banned semi-automatic weapons and shotguns and made it harder to obtain legal weapons. Population about 20 million so nothing like the scale of the US.

            • Gezza

               /  June 29, 2018

              In a nutshell, Maureen, you’re right. America is uniquely gun crazy in the Western world & gun crime & active shooter/mass shootings are now just a part of life in America. The arms manufacturers will be able to exploit the 2nd Amendment forever. It won’t change. Americans will just have to put up with these events always happening somewhere.

            • MaureenW

               /  June 29, 2018

              Lol, they can always get Prozac, or the myriad of other antidepressants and numbing drugs the other half are hooked on.

  5. Geoffrey Monks

     /  June 29, 2018

    Have I missed something? I thought the second amendment entitled folk to bear arms in protection of their homes – not any place anytime any how.. Enabling an ap, at, ah opportunity in an undisciplined society is a recipe for mayhem. Only the Swiss and the Israelis seem to have societies disciplined enough to be trusted with such licence.

    • Gezza

       /  June 29, 2018

      Lost in the mists of argument & time I think. I think it was really for the purpose of assisting the government to resist foreign invasion. There’s an argument it was meant allow states to resist a tytannical government but the rest of the Constituition is designed to prevent a tyrannical government so I’m dubious about it. I’d be very surprised if the NRA was involved somehow in funding the election campaigns of judges in the US as well. My bet is most judges are armed.

      • Gezza

         /  June 29, 2018

        whoops – correction below. I must’ve encountered the Wilkinson system error effect.

      • “I think it was really for the purpose of assisting the government to resist foreign invasion”

        I have always understood exactly that, as there was no National Army at the time to call on. The moment a professional army was formed it should have been repealed. The difficulty of so doing is a major disadvantage of a Written Constitution: a country remains trapped in laws devised for an earlier epoch. In Britain or NZ, Parliament could have rescinded it the following afternoon on a simple vote.

        • Gezza

           /  June 30, 2018

          The thing is it’s not actually difficult. As Tim Jefferies points out – The 2nd Amendment is an Amendment. It can easily be amended or repealed. Look at Prohibition. So there’s no legal problem. The problem lies elsewhere. With the arms manufacturers who buy the politicians & the gun nuts.

          • Gezza

             /  June 30, 2018

            Well, and the paranoiacs who have been waiting for the tyranical government to come and arrest or kill them & their families for 200+ years, but they’re naturally included in the gun nuts.

  6. Gezza

     /  June 29, 2018

    *… NRA wasn’t involved in the funding of judges …

    • David

       /  June 29, 2018

      Care to show us your evidence?

      • Gezza

         /  June 29, 2018

        I said I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s surmise. Based on the activism of the NRA.
        Care to prove me wrong?

        • David

           /  June 29, 2018

          “Care to prove me wrong?”

          Sure. You have no evidence, therefor your are wrong.

          • Gezza

             /  June 29, 2018

            Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence & therefore you yourself can only surmise that I am incorrect in surmising what may be the case. We are mot having a legal didpute here. The law does not in this discussion determine whether I am right or wrong in a conjecture. All you are saying is I have no proof of my suspicion & I am saying I bet you haven’t checked out who funds the campaigns of elected jusges in the US either. Care to pull your hesd in?

            • Gezza

               /  June 29, 2018

              PS: Sorry about all the typos. I’m lying down on the sofa with the iPad 2 propped up on my flat out knees so it’s easy to hit the wrong key. Also it’s slowed down & the characters don’t appear for several seconds after I’ve typed them so I probably need to do a reboot. I am sending positive vibes out to the universe to let Corky win lotto so he can pay for an editing feature for PG.

            • Corky

               /  June 30, 2018

              Pray really hard.

            • Gezza

               /  June 30, 2018

              👍🏼

              👼🏼 🙏🏼

  7. Gezza

     /  June 29, 2018

    Jim Jefferies nails it

  8. Chuck Bird

     /  June 30, 2018

    The weapon I understand it was a shotgun. In NZ one would need a licence to own one. This would require a police check. I do not know enough about the shooter to know if he could have passed a similar police check.

    • Corky

       /  June 30, 2018

      The prick who blew away two Winz workers didn’t worry about a police check.

      • Gezza

         /  June 30, 2018

        Have you bought your Lotto ticket? I’m hoping you’ll win enuf to buy the edit feature for us.