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  1. PartisanZ

     /  June 30, 2018

    Not to say that Hayek, Von Mises and Friedman necessarily knew this in advance, but maximization of choice does not produce liberation: It produces either paralysis or dissatisfaction … leading to further demand – escalation of expectations – for choice which does not produce liberation … it produces …

    But something had to be done to prevent the impending ‘revolution’ of the 1970s …

    Paradoxically … Our advancement since then has created the means for a much better revolution to come … “Income redistribution will make everyone better off” … including us Westerners who have too much choice …

    TED talks are good … This one is probably the best I’ve ever seen so far …

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    • Gezza

       /  June 30, 2018

      Some are. Some aren’t. Depends on the speaker and the topic. And I guess what your views are.

      He’s one of the more tortuous to listen to that I’ve heard.

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  2. Corky

     /  June 30, 2018

    RETAIL WATCH:

    A while back the Warehouse was the media darling after announcing they will be paying a living wage. How socialist of them. Fast forward after reality hit and they are now considering disestablishing 150 jobs.

    I wouldn’t want to be a Hubbards Cereal worker. The company has been sold. No more trips to Samoa. A new corporate ethos will be a shock to workers.

    What is Countdown doing.? They have replaced plastic bags with plastic bags. Kate Hawksby had a curt interview with Countdowns spin doctor.

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    • Blazer

       /  June 30, 2018

      the 150 jobs are low tier management jobs,not shop front staff and retail is a tough business these days with competition mounting.
      One suggestion is for the Warehouse to lower lease costs by folding Warehouse Stationery into existing Red Shed stores.

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      • Corky

         /  June 30, 2018

        The question is: would those middle management jobs still be there if the Warehouse wasn’t paying, or about to, a living wage?

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      • PDB

         /  June 30, 2018

        Blazer: “the 150 jobs are low tier management jobs, not shop front staff”

        That’s alright then! Carry on!

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 30, 2018

          Living wage is an emotive term.

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          • phantom snowflake

             /  June 30, 2018

            “emotive” is an emotive term!

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 30, 2018

              No, it’s purely descriptive. ‘Indicating or exciting emotion’. There is nothing emotive about the word itself.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  June 30, 2018

              Nope. Usage of the term “emotive” does imply or evoke emotion. It’s often quite a ‘loaded’ term used in a dismissive fashion which is far from being dispassionate.

          • phantom snowflake

             /  June 30, 2018

            I agree that there are valid criticisms which can be made of the term ‘Living Wage.’ I don’t agree that being “emotive” is one of them as the issue of whether one has enough to live on will naturally involve strong emotions.

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            • PDB

               /  June 30, 2018

              Living in a bubble no doubt your vision is wonky – of course ‘Living wage’ is an emotive term with the suggestion that without that wage you can’t ‘live’ without it. Kitty is correct in saying the word ’emotive’ used in isolation is not an emotive term.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  June 30, 2018

              Oh dear. So many comprehension failures in such a small space. I didn’t say the ‘Living Wage’ is not an emotive term! Please reread. You’ve misquoted Kitty too, though I’m sure she won’t mind. You really should have read the article Griff posted re: ‘Binary Thinking vs. Directional Thinking.’ Here’s another opportunity:
              http://www.keypersonofinfluence.com/binary-thinking-vs-directional-thinking/

            • PDB

               /  June 30, 2018

              Snowflake: “Oh dear. So many comprehension failures in such a small space. I didn’t say the ‘Living Wage’ is not an emotive term!”

              Snowflake: “I agree that there are valid criticisms which can be made of the term ‘Living Wage.’ I don’t agree that being “emotive” is one of them”

              So you’re saying that the ‘living wage’ being ’emotive’ is not a valid criticism even though you agree ‘living wage’ is an emotive term? With that sort of logic ANY thinking coming from you would be most appreciated. Surely if it is an emotive term (as you agree) then it is open for criticism for being just that (emotive).

            • phantom snowflake

               /  June 30, 2018

              You’re starting to get it. Pakipaki!

  3. Corky

     /  June 30, 2018

    MIRACLE OF THE DAY:

    I had the good fortune to taste Tamarind last year. The problem is they contain many seeds. So I spat the seeds out the window into a flower garden. I was hoping for a possible seed strike. Being a tropical tree, even our summers weren’t hot enough, so as expected, no seed strike. But come winter, and the seeds have germinated in a frosted garden. Maybe these nutters who believe in climate change have a point.

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    • Griff

       /  June 30, 2018

      If you like the taste of Tamarind find some Crystallized Tamarind.
      Its a weird taste explosion you will never forget.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  June 30, 2018

    My thoughts and prays with you today,folks

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  5. Gezza

     /  June 30, 2018

    Why the hell are taxpayers still having to fork out to rebuild Christchurch Cathedral?

    If the members of this sect can’t afford to rebuild tne damn thing that’s because there aren’t enuf members of the sect any more. So tuff.

    Their God stuffed up demolishing the damn thing once already in 1881, & managed to do the job properly this time. Get the bloody message. He doesn’t bloody like it.

    Build what your sect members can afford. I don’t want my taxes going towards it. The way things are going with people waking up to the nonsense in the Bible you’re only going to need a smaller one anyway.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  June 30, 2018

      Dont temp god Gezza,kama might happen

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      • Corky

         /  June 30, 2018

        You must have been bad in a previous life, Lurchy. Maybe a hobo. Me to…I lived in one of those ghastly suburban weather board homes common to New York and Chicago. Everytime I see one on TV, or hear an Italian American or Irish American voice I puke. A terrible life.

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    • Corky

       /  June 30, 2018

      Agreed.

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    • David

       /  June 30, 2018

      The Anglicans wanted to repair their own cathedral but were injuncted by Anderton and Burden and bullied and bribed into rebuilding the butt ugly and impractical monstrosity.
      The Anglicans wanted to just get on and build a cathedral of a new and functional design. Lay the blame at the 1st four ship descendants and pathetic councillors for this terrible outcome.
      Its an utter disgrace this sorry saga.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  June 30, 2018

    Trumps America, enjoy it till it implodes
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/29/red-hen-sarah-sanders-local-reactions-death-threats-support
    the start of the fall of the American empire

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 30, 2018

      That’s an insane over-reaction to someone being asked to leave a restaurant. I would think it unlikely that the owner did it offensively..

      Trump is abusing his position and so was she by using her official wossname to broadcast this.

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      • David

         /  June 30, 2018

        “I would think it unlikely that the owner did it offensively.”

        Why then did the owner of the Red Hen follow Sanders and organise a group of people to scream at her and her family while they tried to eat in another restaurant?

        Being as offensive as possible seemed to be the goal of that don’t you think?

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        • lurcher1948

           /  June 30, 2018

          snowflake righty

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  June 30, 2018

            It’s ok Lurch. Apparently most of those abused at the second restaurant were Democrats.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 30, 2018

          Has that ever been proved ?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  June 30, 2018

            No, but it is odd that the restaurant owner said she drove to the restaurant when her staff called her yet she was apparently on foot some hundred metres down the road at the second restaurant later.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 30, 2018

              Not really, the two are not mutually exclusive. 100m is a very short distance.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 30, 2018

      If there’s one in your drive on Monday, you’ll know that I won the Lotto jackpot. Any colour preference ? Red would be a nice compliment to old Velvet-ears.

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    • David

       /  June 30, 2018

      It will be a good investment. You will get a bit of automotive history and very few will ever been made. Bolting together cars in the carpark by hand isn’t going to be a good long term production plan.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  June 30, 2018

    Good

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    • Gezza

       /  June 30, 2018

      Aww … pretty ruff. I get quite fond of Trumpy’s CPO’s. The poor beggars. They end up having no credibility at all left for any future media spokesperson roles, but well-qualified as long-experienced comedians.

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  June 30, 2018

    Hi folks i read all bogs left and right but one miserable sod always catches ny eye, and this sad person posts on Kiwiblog David Farrars home for angry posters, he has been banned but returns so as sun comes up every day this nasty person posts NASTY posts so sorry PG im posting*( igm )nastiest daily post every day as an example of rightwing hatred, you can moderate but i will download his hatred
    igm
    The sooner this horse-faced fraud departs the political scene for good the better for our businesses and economy in general.

    Thumb up 26 Thumb down 4 LOG IN TO REPLY REPORTJUNE 30, 2018 8:57AM

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    • Gezza

       /  June 30, 2018

      I bet that guy has to pay for sex & any dates he scores on Tinder are oncers.

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      • David

         /  June 30, 2018

        I thought all scores on Tinder were oncers? If fact, I thought it was the whole point.

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        • Gezza

           /  June 30, 2018

          Sorry. You might be right. I’ve never used it. Happy to go with your experience.

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          • David

             /  June 30, 2018

            Well, that is how I use it and it seems to work fine for that.

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            • Gezza

               /  June 30, 2018

              Seems sort of slutty to me.

            • David

               /  June 30, 2018

              I view it as empowering.

            • Gezza

               /  June 30, 2018

              Well, yes, I’d expect that. That would make it sound better & it would fit the Rambo macho man image you like to project.

            • David

               /  June 30, 2018

              Like I’ve said before, you really are reading into this what you want to read.

            • Gezza

               /  June 30, 2018

              You’re an open book.

            • Gezza

               /  June 30, 2018

              But look, if it’s ok with you I’ll leave it here, David. I’m sailing pretty close to the wind with you I think & I might end up with a smack in the ear from the blogmeister if I don’t lay off.

            • David

               /  June 30, 2018

              Of course. I’ve just been reading about Rambo, even if I’m generally too macho to read and stuff. I don’t recall ever seeing the movies, but there is a new one coming out next year. I wonder how killing Mexicans will translate into a Trump-led world.

            • David

               /  June 30, 2018

              “But look, if it’s ok with you I’ll leave it here, David. I’m sailing pretty close to the wind with you I think ”

              It be a free world. All that projection is not healthy in any case.

    • PDB

       /  June 30, 2018

      Is it any worse than your picture above?

      Reply
  9. lurcher1948

     /  June 30, 2018

    Gezza we Wellingtonians are staunch post hard mate POST HARD

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