Q&A today spying and transgender rights

A mix of topics on Q&A today.

Australia has just passed new laws that get tough on spying and foreign interference in its politics. Should New Zealand follow suit? asks Peter Jennings from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.

looks at the complex debate over transgender rights. Why are some women pushing back?

 

 

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  1. Gezza

     /  July 1, 2018

    I’ll watch them later when they’re available online. Although tvnz in demand didn’t post the panel discussion last week which was irritating.

    The transgender women’s pushback one might be interesting.

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    • Zedd

       /  July 1, 2018

      I watched it; the bit on Transgender..

      1) a transgender ‘woman’ was denied membership at an ‘womens only gym’ (NZ) saying they dont see ‘her’ as a woman. (regardless of the lack of male genitals) They apologised, but are still reviewing their policy

      2) some ‘feminist groups’ are saying men who have a sex-change are not women, but ‘transgender’ (a third option ?). One said that it goes against the ‘rights they fought for, as women’ ?

      I think the one issue, recently raised being a transgender woman (once a man) entered the Comm. games team in Womens weightlifting (having won all the lead up events).. but then retired (after public outcry ?) or from ‘health issues’ ?? :/

      Interesting…..

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      • Gezza

         /  July 1, 2018

        Thanks Zedd. I’ll definitely watch it. Sounds very interesting. Re the sports thing transgendered women shouldn’t be allowed to compete in biological women’s sports. They should just accept that just like men having babies or competing in women’s sports it’s just something they can’t do. Or they should should start up a transgender sports system.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 1, 2018

        She retired because of an injury.

        I am bewildered by people making such a hoohah about this. I have known a few women who were born men and taken them at face value.If I was out with Jane, formerly John, whom I knew years ago, I would expect us both to go to the women’s loo. What do people think that new women are going to do to them ?

        What rights am I being denied if someone else also has them ? I’m glad that I am not that mean spirited.

        I’d like to know what these silly ‘feminists’ actually fought for by way of rights. Equal pay has been in since the early 70s. They haven’t fought for equality of conscription, women being legally obliged to provide for a child that their partner had by someone else, equal numbers in dangerous professions like mining and being on rubbish trucks…..nor, I suspect, did they want equality in being responsible for a man’s debts, as men were for their wives’ debts. I remember seeing notices in the paper along the lines of John Smith is no longer responsible for debts incurred in his name….This was, of course, why the husband’s signature was required as well on HP !

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        • Chuck Bird

           /  July 1, 2018

          Kitty, can you understand that some women would not like “women” with a penis sharing the same changing rooms and showers as them? At sports clubs most men’s showers are not in cubicles but the shower heads are along a wall. I do not know if all women’s showers have cubicals. Do you ot have you played much sport?

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          • phantom snowflake

             /  July 1, 2018

            It’s really rather amusing that you think you can speak on behalf of women!

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            • MaureenW

               /  July 1, 2018

              http://helpauckland.org.nz/get-info/statistics

              Some info on sexual crime stats – mostly perpetrated by people with penises – I don’t care if it’s got a frock and High-heels on.

            • MaureenW

               /  July 1, 2018

              Penises should shower and defecate with other penises.

            • Gezza

               /  July 1, 2018

              There’s problem when the penis has boobs as well.

            • MaureenW

               /  July 1, 2018

              They’re Moobs?
              They won’t be breastfeeding anyone.

            • Zedd

               /  July 1, 2018

              I think one of the ‘TG women’ in the story may have had it chopped off ?

              BUT some of the women interviewed, obviously just dont see them as ‘actual women’ & are not comfortable with having them ‘in their space’ ??

            • Gezza

               /  July 1, 2018

              They’re Moobs?
              No. Google shemales. We have them here. They’re a subset of transvestites and/ot transexuals.

              So which public /sports showers do they use?

            • MaureenW

               /  July 1, 2018

              @Gezza – I was referring to the Man-boobs – Moobs.

            • Gezza

               /  July 1, 2018

              Moobs shower with the penises. To penises they’re just fat bastards.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 1, 2018

            No, not since I left school.

            I don’t know about the showers, so can’t say. I wouldn’t give a damn about the genitalia of whoever was in the next loo or changing room.

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  2. PartisanZ

     /  July 1, 2018

    This is another comedy topic, Right?

    “… get tough on spying and foreign interference in its politics.”

    NZ and Australian politics largely IS spying and foreign interference … in inverse importance.

    Passing new laws has got nothing to do with it … It’s ‘Semblance Law’ designed to appease some faction of business or maybe public opinion … Governments don’t need to adhere to this kind of law …

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  3. Zedd

     /  July 1, 2018

    how many folks demand that TG women be sent to men’s prisons ?
    I think it has happened, but has been changed in recent years ??

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    • Zedd

       /  July 1, 2018

      maybe depends if they still have their penis ‘attached’ :/

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  4. Gezza

     /  July 1, 2018

    It’s a pity we don’t have more avowedly female posters here today because I really would like to hear from them what they think, particularly when it comes to the shower:dressing room issue.

    As far I can tell Kitty doesn’t care. Maureen doesn’t want transgenders with penises in women’s showers/dressing rooms, but I’m not sure where she stands on those who’ve had the full reconstruction.

    Seems to me it is actually a complicated matter. And one more likely to affect women than men.

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  5. Rob

     /  July 2, 2018

    Why in this day and age are there Women only Gyms. Feminists never liked Mens only Clubs and over time these Clubs had to let in Women. Gay Clubs that were for Men had to let in Women but if the Lesbians were having a dance or whatever then it has always been Girls only no Men. By the way I used to be a Transgender Man to Woman but due to Medical problems was not able to carry on with what I wanted., I live as a Man, not that I want to. As far as Im concerned get rid of Women only Gyms. I dont have a problem with Trans using Womens toilets but in my experience it was always easier if there was a disabled toilet nearby. Women would like to say that they would feel safer with a Womens only Gym but Gyms do provide safety for all.

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