Transmission Gully may be tolled to discourage use

Another change of mind by Labour – they are now considering tolling the Transmission Gully motorwaywhen it opens – to discourage use.

Stuff: Transmission Gully motorway looks likely to be user-pays after Labour shifts gears on tolling

A briefing document from the New Zealand Transport Agency to Transport Minister Phil Twyford, released to Stuff under the Official Information Act, recommended he green-light investigation of a Transmission Gully toll to “shape demand” for the new four-lane expressway, which will connect northern Wellington to the Kāpiti Coast when it opens in 2020.

Twyford has since confirmed he gave the recommendation his blessing. This signals a significant lane-change for the Labour Party, which did not publicly support the idea of a toll when it was in Opposition.

The Transport Agency briefing document says tolling the 27-kilometre gully motorway would help make the main commuter route between Wellington and Kāpiti more “mode neutral”, meaning everyone does not simply drive.

When open, the motorway was expected to reduce the cost of road travel, which would encourage more people to get into their cars at the expense of public transport, primarily rail, the document said.

Tolls could counter the perceived cost reductions of travelling by road.”

Twyford told Stuff he was not opposed to tolling roads if it was the right option for a particular project.

But Twyford’s position appears somewhat at odds with what Labour was saying during negotiations to form the current Government back in October, when he said the party did not support tolling the motorway.

“My understanding is that past modelling has shown that a toll on Transmission Gully risks making the road so poorly used that it defeats the purpose of building it in the first place,” he said at the time.

Now he supports tolling the road so it is poorly used?

Automobile Association spokesman Mike Noon said he wanted to see the “maximum amount” of traffic using the new, safer motorway, and the idea of discouraging drivers from using it would be like “a safety own-goal”.

“It’s pretty dumb when you’ve put the infrastructure in.”

 

 

38 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  July 1, 2018

    The Transport Minister sounds like a fucking idiot.

    • artcroft

       /  July 1, 2018

      Not sounds Gezza. He is a fucking idiot. BTW what is the collective noun for a group of fucking idiots?

  2. PartisanZ

     /  July 1, 2018

    Wow … all sorts of things neoliberal are suddenly ‘inverting’ themselves …

    That’s a doozy … “The toll to end all driving” …

  3. Zedd

     /  July 1, 2018

    all part of the ‘master plan’
    “Yahoo !” 😀

    • Gezza

       /  July 1, 2018

      Their master plan is to get themselves unelected at the earliest opportunity? What sort of moron would come up with THAT as a master plan??

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 1, 2018

        A Labour leader.

      • PartisanZ

         /  July 1, 2018

        Well Gezza, if they get themselves unelected … We’ll change from a government who MIGHT toll the Gully to one who ABSOLUTELY DEFINITELY WILL toll the Gully …

        This is perfect for National … Doing something to prevent something from being used …

        … like WINZ entitlements …

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 1, 2018

          What on earth do you think that Labour are doing ?

          • PartisanZ

             /  July 1, 2018

            Labour are, presumably, trying to limit damage and recoup the expense of a dubious and perhaps idiotic, probably fiscally irresponsible project initiated by National on behalf of the Road Transport Users & Lobbyists Association …

            • PartisanZ

               /  July 1, 2018

              You wait Miss Kitty … Demands for a bridge across Cook Strait are not far away …

            • PDB

               /  July 1, 2018

              As far as I’m aware National made no decision before leaving office over whether to toll transmission gully or not. If they did it wouldn’t be for the reason of reducing the amount of people that use it.

              Labour & the transport agency are not trying to limit damage as you surmise, the article clearly states the new road will be too popular (therefore suggesting a good project) and make the trains the left love redundant. Simply put the new govt/transport agency wants to put a toll in to sabotage what will be a popular road in order to prop-up rail.

            • PartisanZ

               /  July 1, 2018

              Thanks for explaining all that PDB …

              Surely any toll will reduce the amount of people who use it? Or looking at it inversely, since its a new road – isn’t it? – however many people use it tolled will be less than however many would have used it had it not been tolled …

              Surely there can only be one possible outcome of a road being “too popular”? Congestion and grid-lock … This does not suggest a “good” project at all!

              Surely, in your scenario, making the trains you say the Left love redundant can only be achieved by making the roads, parking buildings, congestion, pollution, increased fossil fuel consumption, consumerism, difficulty and stress the Right love more prominent?

              And do so despite its failure of cost-effectiveness too?

            • Blazer

               /  July 2, 2018

              @PDB…’As far as I’m aware National made no decision ‘….that’s National’s default position on near EVERYTHING!

        • Gezza

           /  July 1, 2018

          Well, PZ, not if they follow the Labour example & tell everybody they won’t toll it, & then as soon as possible after they’ve bought off Shane Jones & co again, they tell everyone they now WILL. They might get away with it if their Transport Minister at the time isn’t a fucking idiot.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 2, 2018

            I would guess that people who need to use it still will, so it will be a flop in that way.

  4. PartisanZ

     /  July 1, 2018

    Future Advertorial ………..Drive “Transmission Gully” …

    Harking back to our Beautiful, 100% Clean Green Natural Environment, our Colonial Roots, Inventive Technology, Hard Toil and Just Reward … A very special, premium, exclusive motorway … for those who can still use it knowing they’re actively preventing others from using it …

    Yes! We’re fucking amazing! And amazingly fucked!

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  July 1, 2018

      Roll on 2020.

      • PDB

         /  July 1, 2018

        Sometimes its little things like these that really turn the tide against a sitting govt – sort of like the lightbulbs & showerheads with the last Labour govt. Most sane people are not going to see the sense in tolling a road in order to stop too many people using it. The comments on the stuff article make interesting reading.

        • PartisanZ

           /  July 1, 2018

          “lightbulbs and shower heads”? …. Can you enlighten me PDB?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 2, 2018

              I remember Campbell Live asking a model with long hair to wash it under one of the low water use showers….who would have guessed that it would take twice as long because it used half as much water ?

              I have stockpiled incandescent bulbs, because I am unwilling to risk my eyesight with the other kind. I find their light ugly and glary anyway. It’s not worth it to save a few cents worth of power.

  5. PDB

     /  July 1, 2018

    Unfortunately nothing surprises me with this Govt/Twyford any more, nor does yet another flip flop from what they said during the election campaign.

    Does sum up people who are anti-roads though – build a good road and then sabotage it so less people use it and instead are pushed into using less user-friendly pubic transport, in this case rail. Has been happening for years with roads being narrowed by cycleways hardly anybody uses in most areas, dedicated bus lanes, removal of car parking spaces etc.

    • PartisanZ

       /  July 1, 2018

      I know PDB … I know … I know just how you feel …

      … in lots of places they have fucking footpaths beside the roads as well …

      • PDB

         /  July 1, 2018

        Existing roads are not being narrowed by footpaths that were already in place in the berm. In the case of somewhere like Beachlands, Auckland they are putting footpaths where there were none originally…in the berms, not taking road away for them.

        • PartisanZ

           /  July 1, 2018

          True …

          Yesterday I was in a street in Kerikeri which has a footpath, a narrow-ish berm, then a vehicle-width car ‘wheelpath’ parking strip …

          I imagine it would have been a new, private subdivision once so this odd arrangement was probably not dictated by Council … It ‘exceeded regulations’ …

          Meantime in places like Sandringham there are giant berms which could easily (though only expensively) be roadway and parking space, cycle track and footpath all together … some of them are wide enough to be small public parks or even playing fields …

  6. Gerrit

     /  July 1, 2018

    You know when the government ministers are having a bad time. The first child of the nation, Neve gets displayed with her mum in public to create the squirrel effect.

    Hey look over here, nice mum and baby in the happy comfort of their living room, all sweet and roses – never mind those useless minister – look over here, is she not the cutest little thing you ever did see?

    Curran in trouble again to add to the errant Labour ministers list.

    “Curran said because it was soon before the election and Parliament wasn’t sitting, she didn’t do anything more with the matter, and that, with hindsight, she “probably should have followed it up”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/stuff-circuit/105105403/z-energy-data-breach-minister-clare-curran-alerted-last-year

    • duperez

       /  July 1, 2018

      “Neve gets displayed with her mum in public to create the squirrel effect.”

      Do you reckon she should have waited until there was nothing controversial in the air, or likely to arouse claims of distraction before appearing with the child?

      What year do you think that’d be? 2036 when the kid’s 18 years old? If deciding whether the baby brings out the worst in people is between the mother using her as a political distraction or others making inane claims Ms Ardern misses out.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  July 2, 2018

        She was supposed to be taking 6 weeks off to bond with her child – out of the public eye, give her some privacy and all that..
        The fact she felt she needed to appear at all was the squirrel Dupe.

  7. Absolutely toll it, but in 5-8 years time to manage capacity when public transport is a bit more viable, we do need to manage our transport better so its not all cars……