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  1. David

     /  July 3, 2018

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12081888

    This is a pretty shocking turn of events, the independence of the police is one thing that separates NZ from many other countries and NZ Firsts efforts are pretty disgusting.

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    • duperez

       /  July 3, 2018

      “I think this is incredibly serious,” said Bridges.

      Yes, it’s shocking and disgusting and the end of the independence of the police in New Zealand. Chris Bishop and Simon Bridges will be conflicted as to whether they have to froth at the mouth or merely salivate.

      “It (an inquiry) will look at whether all relevant information was given to, or gathered by, the State Services Commission during the appointment in May, and if it was, whether all relevant information was provided to ministers.”

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    • Gezza

       /  July 3, 2018

      Dunno what makes Tracey Martin the go to lady for this enquiry but it’s a government enquiry & she’s in the government. Also, Peters has no qualms about dumping on NZ First candidates and MPs if he thinks they could be an embarrassment so is unlikely to favour Haumaha in any way because he’s now a major embarrassment. This news about his Mrs being a crook is an added shocker though. Mike Bush will have to go.

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  2. chrism56

     /  July 3, 2018

    Another fail – this time it is Arctic sea ice that is supposed to be disappearing. Up in Northern Russia it is so thick that they can’t even get their ice strengthened ships get out of port
    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/2018/06/midsummer-tankers-get-ice-trapped-near-russian-arctic-port
    The NE passage might be safe for another year.

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      • chrism56

         /  July 3, 2018

        PG
        Here is the same data but plotted using the last 12 years of data
        https://neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov/csb/index.php?section=234
        You have to go right down to Figure 5 to see it though. It shows that over that 12 year period, the ice in the Arctic has been about stable. Well down on the data of the 70s but about the same as what it was in the 30s, according to DMI.
        Arctic ice loss is not accelerating, nor is the size or number of storms increasing. That is why the sea level is the future disaster scenario.

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        • Griff

           /  July 3, 2018

          Arctic ice loss is not accelerating, nor is the size or number of storms increasing. That is why the sea level is the future disaster scenario.

          ROFL.

          Fail .

          The Arctic is an Ocean.

          Eureka!

          Melting sea ice does not effect sea level.


          https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-piecing-together-arctic-sea-ice-history-1850

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          • chrism56

             /  July 3, 2018

            Yet again a teenage girl has infested the blog. Go back to your Facebook.

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            • Griff

               /  July 3, 2018


              Note how Chris has cherry picked a short period out of context to the data.
              More data is below the trend line in the beginning above in the middle and below again at the end .
              Mark one eyeball says that is a curve ‘ telling us sea level melt is accelerating due to global warming .
              Instead Chris looks at the noise which is the difference in weather from year to year.

            • chrism56

               /  July 4, 2018

              And the graph you posted from Connolly isn’t for September minimum, which is why I didn’t use it. But you can’t read as you have proven yet again.
              Anyway, I am off to work.

          • Griff

             /  July 3, 2018

            ROFLMAO
            Dear dear.

            Archimedes’ principle, physical law of buoyancy, discovered by the ancient Greek mathematician and inventor Archimedes, stating that any body completely or partially submerged in a fluid (gas or liquid) at rest is acted upon by an upward, or buoyant, force the magnitude of which is equal to the weight of the fluid …

            Find an adult to expalin it to you sunny.

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            • chrism56

               /  July 3, 2018

              Try reading what I wrote or do you need an adult to explain it to you?

            • Griff

               /  July 3, 2018

              I read it and laughed at you .
              Its nonsense.
              Ice on land melting causes sea level rise.
              The arctic is an ocean .

          • chrism56

             /  July 3, 2018

            And by the way, your graph has been superseded by new research. From Connolly 2017
            https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/figure/10.1080/02626667.2017.1324974?scroll=top&needAccess=true
            September ice min for the last 12 years according to NASA is about 5.5 million square kilometres which is about the same as Alexseev shows for the 30s

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            • Griff

               /  July 3, 2018

              I dont know what you were looking at but here is the extent from the paper you just linked to
              Figure 12. Comparison of annual Arctic sea ice extent trends during the pre-satellite era with the satellite era. Periods of general sea ice growth and periods of general sea ice melt are indicated at the bottom of the figure.

            • Griff

               /  July 3, 2018

              About the same as Alexseev shows for the 30s?

              On assessment of the relationship between changes of sea ice extent and climate in the Arctic
              Genrikh Alekseev
              Natalia Glok
              Alexander Smirnov
              https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/joc.4550
              ABSTRACT

              An increase of surface air temperature (SAT) in the marine Arctic (a part of the Arctic covered with sea ice in winter) shows a good relationship with reduction of sea ice extent (SIE) in summer. For instance, a strong correlation (a coefficient equal to −0.93) was found between the summer SAT in the marine Arctic and satellite‐derived 1980–2014 September sea ice index (the average of SIE in the Arctic since 1978, in millions of km2). Based on this finding, anomalies of Arctic September SIE were reconstructed from the beginning of 20th century using a linear regression relationship. This reconstructed SIE shows a substantial decrease in the 1930–1940s with a minimum occurring in 1936, which, however, is only a half of the decline in 2012. The strong relationship between the summer SAT and September SIE was used to assess the onset of summer sea ice disappearance in the Arctic Ocean. According to the estimates made with a simple regression model, we can expect a seasonally ice‐free Arctic Ocean as early as in the mid‐2030s. An impact of the inflow of warm and salty Atlantic water (AW) on winter SIE was evaluated as an example for the Barents Sea. This evaluation reveals a coherent spatial pattern of the AW spreading, presented by surface salinity distribution, and the position of sea ice edge, and significant correlation between the inflow of the AW and maximal SIE. This publication presents a revised version of an ‘Arctic sea ice extent in changing climate’ report (Alekseev et al., 2015).

            • Griff

               /  July 3, 2018

              chrism56 has sourced his information from a wingnut blog shite ,
              Actually examining his linked to papers we see that they dont actually say what he was told by his source.
              Unfortunately I fully expect chrism56 will be back again with more bullshite from the same sources that lied to him the first time ,

            • chrism56

               /  July 4, 2018

              It is sourced from this publicationhttps://www.tandfonline.com/toc/thsj20/current which is more reputable than the cartoonist’s blog site Griff uses for his cut and paste. But I could have used a number of EOS publications which have a number of similar articles – they just aren’t on the approved list for true believers.

            • Griff

               /  July 4, 2018

              The true believer is you.
              You have faith that climate change is not real or over stated because you go to wingnut blog shites that feed you demonstrable crap .
              I have used your own links to point out you are wrong.

              I did not even bother to mention that the graph I linked to for the long term trend is based on actual sea ice extent from sea ice records not based on using temperatures as a proxy.

              There is nothing cutnpaste from SK SC on this thread . Over the years I have seldom needed to link to it .

              A skeptical exploration of nutters links is often enough to demolish their gibbering .

    • Griff

       /  July 3, 2018

      Ah yes cherry picking again chrism56 .
      Something you loudly accused mainstream scientists of last week .
      As I pointed out yesterday the ice minimum happens about September 20th.
      If you watch Deadliest Catch you would be aware that pack ice moves around in the wind.
      The weather is pushing pack ice on to the Russian coast nothing more.

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  3. PartisanZ

     /  July 3, 2018

    Fascinating article in The Spinoff about criminal justice …

    The Side Eye: ‘Tough on Crime’ is Dead

    “The politics of fear has seen successive NZ governments incarcerate people at increasing rates. In the latest Side Eye, Toby Morris explores the crisis of a mindless criminal justice system”

    Perfect for me, its mostly pictures with captions and colourful graphs …

    Not far down, the graph I found most fascinating follows GDP plus Government Expenditure across different sectors – health, education, social security & welfare, core government services and law & order etc – since 1972 and, fascinatingly, government expenditure in ALL these sectors takes a fairly sharp upward turn at precisely THAT YEAR …. 1984 …

    Wasn’t that the year government started butting-out of the peoples’ lives?

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  4. Traveller

     /  July 3, 2018

    For you Pete. Night sky nerds.

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    • Gezza

       /  July 3, 2018

      Thanks for that 👍🏼
      (Don’t worry about the downtick – that’s just for calling me a nerd)

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  5. Corky

     /  July 3, 2018

    When reality bites for PC supermarkets. I have seen those unhygienic reusable bags customers bring into stores to contaminate the area with god knows what. Talk about virtue signalling.

    https://www.devdiscourse.com/Article/47930-aussies-abusing-australian-supermarket-staff-over-free-plastic-bags

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  6. Corky

     /  July 3, 2018

    Least we forget. This happened across the ditch. Young kids holding placards calling for beheadings. And…not a terrorist insight.

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    • Gezza

       /  July 3, 2018

      Muslims are deluded people who become a problem in Western societies when their numbers get too large.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  July 3, 2018

      One might say … Modern White Australia’s foundations are concreted in with their own terrorism inflicted on the original inhabitants …

      The place must be a breeding ground for it …

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      • Corky

         /  July 3, 2018

        One may also say you are one step removed from facing reality in the present moment.

        In this situation the only thing Modern White Australia is guilty of is listening to too many spin doctors like you, and letting these pricks in.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  July 3, 2018

      You have far more chance of being killed by a knuckle dragging trump supporter than any muslim, Corky and that’s …fact
      The nutty white mass shooters are now trying to out do each other in killing so watch out for drooling white knuckle draggers not muslims and you might live.

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      • Gezza

         /  July 3, 2018

        American mass murderers kill Americans at home & Muslims in Muslim countries. Corky’s safe here from them.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  July 3, 2018

    [Deleted] entitled and stupid,and HDPA has proved it.The thick as two planks NZME newstalkZB host is proud to use disability car parks so she can go to her Les Mills gym.Shes being roasted at the moment and i think is she the best ZB can employ, wait wait shes naturally thick so is in the right place.

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    • Gezza

       /  July 3, 2018

      What’s Deleted’s real, proper name, Lurchy?

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    • Corky

       /  July 3, 2018

      Haven’t you got rightwing blogs to visit, Lurchy?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  July 3, 2018

        If i can remember the naughty word was( rightwing) or” THICK,” and HDPA has lost a lot of fans due to being”thick”, she said shes only done it once(this week)

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  8. Corky

     /  July 3, 2018

    ”You have far more chance of being killed by a knuckle dragging trump supporter than any muslim, Corky and that’s …fact”

    Really?!!

    There are roughly 55,000 Muslims in New Zealand. Extrapolating the percentages in Trevor Phillips’ clip called ‘ What Muslims Really Believe,” means roughly 1000 Muslims in New Zealand support jihad, or would if needed, commit jihad. Let’s hope none of your loved ones are ever victims, Lurchy.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  July 3, 2018

      False logic based on flawed studies and it doesn’t take into account that Muslims are individuals like other people. Even the numbers don’t add up.

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      • Corky

         /  July 3, 2018

        There is no false logic. The polling used was by a reputable company with one on one interviews.

        ”It doesn’t take into account that Muslims are individuals like other people.”

        Yeah, it does, it interviewed them as individuals. That of can then be collated with trends in the Muslim community like mass protests on certain issues.

        Now, lets say you are right. The fact is we still just don’t know the numbers. Islam is a insular religion. So in that situation there is no false logic because speculation is called for.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 3, 2018

          Oh, whatever you say, I can’t be bothered to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

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          • Corky

             /  July 3, 2018

            Excellent. Best news I have heard all night. Have a good night.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 3, 2018

              I wonder if you understood what I said.

            • Corky

               /  July 4, 2018

              Yes, I understood. I was allowing you to save face. That you replied again shows YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND.

    • duperez

       /  July 3, 2018

      Okay, starting right now, what should we do about the problem in New Zealand? (Problem as you see it.)

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  9. David

     /  July 3, 2018

    Business confidence continues its decline, the more we see the rubbish way the country is being run the worse it gets and its now, as it always does which is why its surveyed, having a negative impact in the real economy.
    Time to batten down the hatches and put ones wallet away, having just returned from a booming America its quite a contrast.

    “ANZ senior economist Liz Kendall said the survey showed signs that weak confidence was starting to feed into actual decision-making among businesses.

    “How businesses respond to the challenges they are reporting will have important implications for the economic outlook from here,” Kendall said.

    “It is fair to say that downside risks have increased. “

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    • Blazer

       /  July 3, 2018

      ‘Business confidence continues its decline’

      SO WHAT!…WHO CARES!

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      • David

         /  July 3, 2018

        People who want jobs, pay rises, promotions or just a general rise in prosperity.

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  10. Blazer

     /  July 3, 2018

    ‘having just returned from a booming America its quite a contrast.’

    I’m sure it is….

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    • Corky

       /  July 3, 2018

      I got panned a while back for commenting on how intelligent the average Japanese who was interviewed on the street regard Trump was. Of course the answer as to why is simple- no Marxist liberal education.

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      • Gezza

         /  July 3, 2018

        I remember that but most of them shown being interviewed were wearing glasses so it looks like rather than them being average Japanese they only showed the brainy ones.

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        • Corky

           /  July 3, 2018

          Then the same must be considered for the above clip…. in this case finding bimbos to give the audience a laugh.

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          • Gezza

             /  July 3, 2018

            Americans are notoriously bad at geography. That’s why their brainy people who are good at it have to programme their aircraft & missile computers with precise directions to stop them accidentally attacking Vanvouver, Copenhagen, Tel Aviv, London, Singapore or Canberra instead of Damascus.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 3, 2018

              What’s the connection between glasses and intellect ? By that logic, anyone wearing glasses becomes intelligent.

              Their being bad at geography may be because of insularity; I have heard that often there is only US news on their news. That’s why they have to say “Paris, France.’

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 3, 2018

              Many, many people have trouble with blank maps, especially when they have no lines to delineate borders.

              Not that that excuses people pointing to Canada, Australia and Russia, I was out in my guess, but I was in the right area.

            • Gezza

               /  July 3, 2018

              Possibly its during geography lessons they do their active shooter hide in place & evacuation drills.

  11. Alan Wilkinson

     /  July 3, 2018
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    • Griff

       /  July 3, 2018

      And Karen the pump jockey has the most amazing blue eyes you have ever seen.

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    • Blazer

       /  July 3, 2018

      uncanny Al…their prices are 5c cheaper than in Auckland that just had an 11.5c per L increase.$2.18.9……just filled up this morning…61c off per litre.

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  12. Corky

     /  July 3, 2018

    I guess we know who these people will be voting for. I can’t see National reversing this tax.

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    • Blazer

       /  July 3, 2018

      as you’ve been told the Super City introduced by National/Act came up with this levy.
      Of course National hydraulicked the price by 17c a litre when they were in power=all their own…work.

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      • Corky

         /  July 3, 2018

        ”as you’ve been told the Super City introduced by National/Act came up with this levy.”

        Such decisions always tar the incumbent government for good or ill.

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      • PDB

         /  July 3, 2018

        National rejected Auckland Council wanting to implement a regional fuel tax, this new govt……..didn’t.

        This govt is the only reason this has been able to be put in place and will be copied by big-spending Councils up and down the country – they are the only ones to blame.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 3, 2018

          And the original concept was tweaked and changed .

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  13. Corky

     /  July 3, 2018

    Welcome aboard guys. You have come to your senses. The RIGHT WAY has always been RIGHT, however, people must mature and grow into that realisation. Having gone through the process I still blush with embarrassment remembering some of my liberal beliefs.

    1- Diversity.
    2- America is the enemy.
    3- Jews rule the banking system.
    4-The fillfy witch has it in for you ( they rarely don’t notice you)
    5- It’s about being fair.
    7- Minorities are never wrong.
    8- Whitey is always racist.

    And the list goes on. These lucky people will jettison much worthless baggage. God and the Conservative way…the universes A Team.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  July 3, 2018

      You have problems there Corky, get a dog, and walk a wild beach with it and all that suppressed anger and islamophobia will drift away,and then you can continue to pay my pension…as a fellow poster

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      • Corky

         /  July 3, 2018

        ”Suppressed anger and Islamophobia.”

        50% right which isn’t bad for you, Lurchy. I suffer from Islamophobia, and with good cause.

        When my two Dobs died that was it for me owning dogs. Walking on wild beaches is also a no-no for me…I start collecting seaweed for the garden.

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    • Corky

       /  July 3, 2018

      To Lefties who haven’t embraced the’ # Walkaway Movement.’ Do it now. Here’s a beauty three chord message:

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      • Corky

         /  July 3, 2018

        Here’s the message again for intellectual liberals.

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  14. Blazer

     /  July 3, 2018

    just 4 u Corky…b4….

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  15. PDB

     /  July 3, 2018

    And people said Winston would never lie about his super because ‘why would he need the money?’

    “Winston Peters says he will keep his $31.82 a week taxpayer-funded winter windfall because it’s a matter of principle.”

    “The payment is worth $31.82 a week to couples but people can opt out should they choose.”

    “As deputy prime minister, Peters receives $334,734 a year but told reporters on Tuesday he had no plans to opt out of receiving the payment.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/105194803/winston-peters-keeping-winter-windfall

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    • Blazer

       /  July 3, 2018

      Winston should just say…he will donate(a portion)of his salary to…charity.
      That goes down very well with the chattering class.What a Capital…idea.

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    • Gezza

       /  July 3, 2018

      Has anybody asked him what the principle is?
      Rich people need more money too?

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      • Gezza

         /  July 3, 2018

        Oh, I see:
        Peters said universality of pensions had been a long held point of principle with him.

        It’s not a bloody pension you bludger!

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        • PDB

           /  July 3, 2018

          First he didn’t know that the payment was ‘opt-out’ (even though he helped pass it through govt) and now he justifies not opting out himself because it has something to do with the pension – maybe the fact that beneficiaries also get the payment should have alerted him to the fact it has nothing to do with the pension.

          Winston has totally lost it, his train wreck of an interview with RNZ during the election campaign made this quite clear.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  July 3, 2018

      What a stingy bugger he must be. How pathetic to claim the heating allowance when he can’t possibly need it.

      I read a letter in the Herald asking people not to opt-out but to take it and make it over to a charity. Good idea,

      I do NOT believe that he was swindling WINZ, my concern was with his repeatedly signing something that he hadn’t read,

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      • Gezza

         /  July 3, 2018

        It’s hard to say. We only have his word for it.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 4, 2018

          Would someone say that about themselves if it wasn’t so ?

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  16. Kitty Catkin

     /  July 3, 2018

    Ms Genter now wants being a housewife to count as work experience and ( from the sound of it) be reflected in the wages of women returning to paid work. Spot the obvious flaw.

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