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  1. Blazer

     /  July 4, 2018

    what a surprise!!

    ‘A career in consulting could pay you the most money throughout your career, with a potential salary increase of $42,000 from starting to final salary.

    Data from a survey, released by YUDU, shows the median starting salary for someone working in consulting with up to two years experience is $55,870 and the salary for someone with 20 years experience is $98,300.’

    A consultant=’someone who lends your watch to tell you the…time’.

    • PDB

       /  July 4, 2018

      “could pay you”

      A lot of failed consultants around making bugger all – being an actor ‘could pay you’ a huge income but not many succeed there either.

      • Blazer

         /  July 4, 2018

        how do you know about these consultants making ‘bugger all’?

        • PDB

           /  July 4, 2018

          Auckland Council for instance is full of failed consultants, failed small business owners and people who couldn’t handle working in the private sector.

          • PartisanZ

             /  July 4, 2018

            But we want them to share their industry experience and try out their entrepreneurial skills … don’t we?

            That’s how neoliberalism works … isn’t it?

            And of course if it wasn’t for “Council”, central government, local government, bureaucracy and the balooning Charitocracy … all these people would be on the unemployment …

            If that were the case, the dambusters-sized breach in neoliberalism would be apparent for all to see …

            Much easier to just complain about and denigrate people.

          • Blazer

             /  July 4, 2018

            I see you read their…CV’s.

            • PartisanZ

               /  July 4, 2018

              Consultants are the old independent public servants reinvented as “yes men” – agents, actors, lobbyists and influence peddlers on behalf of the incumbent government-on-behalf … Contract-professional systems justification …

              Consultants have done away with a whole level of public consultation, ethical discussion, all sorts of debate, dissent and ultimately ‘best practice’ problem solving …

              It’s a miraculous circumvention of ‘democracy’ … even as we know it …

  2. Gezza

     /  July 4, 2018
    • Corky

       /  July 4, 2018

      ‘This guy was a registered Democrat.’ LOL. God, what a template for the rugged Conservative guy. He follows the SAS motto: always have a gun within arms reach.

      • Gezza

         /  July 4, 2018

        He blew up his wife by accident when they were making a movie about all their weapons on their property & now lives with 3 plastic female manikins. Trump voter. Has to be.

        • Corky

           /  July 4, 2018

          As I’ve posted before: you can accuse Righties of many things, being boring isn’t one of them. Geez, I love that clip. And I’m sure liberal parents love it too. They would show it to their kids as a warning of what can happen if you don’t eat your mung beans and vote Democrates.

          • Gezza

             /  July 4, 2018

            Now don’t overreact & get all poisonous on me, but I just thought it was funny & that I’d heard that chap’s name somewhere before, & wikipeida just confirmed it.

            Democrates (/dɪˈmɒkrəˌtiːz/; Ancient Greek: Δημοκράτης) was a Pythagorean philosopher about whom little is known. Apollonius of Tyana wrote at least one letter to a Democrates, Epistle 88.

            • Corky

               /  July 4, 2018

              ”Now don’t overreact & get all poisonous on me, but I just thought it was funny & that I’d heard that chap’s name somewhere before, & wikipeida just confirmed. ”

              You are reading me wrong. I loved the clip.

            • Gezza

               /  July 4, 2018

              Not what I meant. But no worries.
              All good. 👍🏼

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 4, 2018

              I have a suspicion that the plastic mannequins are not plastic as such but made of some latex-type stuff and are sold by ‘adult’ shops. Don’t ask why, please.

              The man is a loony. Thank God I live nowhere near him and that we don’t have gun laws that allow nutters like him to open fire on anyone who comes anywhere near them.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 4, 2018

              A vote for Democrates would be the ultimate wasted vote. The poor chap’s dead now, isn’t he ?

              😀

            • Corky

               /  July 4, 2018

              ”The man is a loony. Thank God I live nowhere near him and that we don’t have gun laws that allow nutters like him to open fire on anyone who comes anywhere near them.”

              How many loony dudes like that perpetrate mass shootings? Not many. They are too busy having fun on their own properties. They aren’t causing society harm.

              In fact most mass shooters look like whining liberals who have issues.

              I doubt he’d want to live next to an anal retentive like you. Maybe
              he’d shoot-up your Pythian Apollo sculpture with a bird bath attached. But nothing too serious.

            • Gezza

               /  July 4, 2018

              How many loony dudes like that perpetrate mass shootings? Not many. They are too busy having fun on their own properties. They aren’t causing society harm. In fact most mass shooters look like whining liberals who have issues.

              He says he and his wife were making a film for Discovery Channel. They’d been filming for months, “& in the last 30 seconds, all we had to do, was walk through a whole barrage of smoke, and one of the smoke containers turned into a rocket, went right past me, and went right through her. And killed her. So they cancelled the whole show.”

              Seems like a pretty harmless pastime, when you put it like that.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 4, 2018

              Well, yes. It sounds like good, clean, innocent fun, doesn’t it ?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 4, 2018

              It went through her neck and came out through her navel.It basically blew a hole through her body.

              But it was all right, she didn’t feel anything said the grieving (?) husband.

              How does he know ?

            • Corky

               /  July 4, 2018

              ”Seems like a pretty harmless pastime, when you put it like that.”

              I think it’s call an accident. We lose many people on lifestyle blocks in New Zealand each year.

              Still, maybe if he practices with those containers he will be ready for a killing spree. His new doco could be called ”Keeping Up Appearances.”

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 4, 2018

        They are ! I have just looked these up. They look just like Per Vert’s ones. One even has a gun in each hand. They are anatomically correct (pass the bucket)

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 4, 2018

          This is the gun girl. Is this gross or what ?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 4, 2018

            He is a dirty dog who buys rubber sex dolls and calls himself their boyfriend as well as making sexist remarks about real women. No wonder he has to resort to mail-order sex dolls. No real woman would want to know him.

            Anal retentive ? How unoriginal. It’s the go-to insult of the unimaginative and has been for many years now.

            You seem to have forgotten the man here who had the arsenal and killed mother and daughter after having fun on his own property.

            Mass shooters usually seem to have large gun collections like this man who treats the idea of shooting people like a big joke. The Las Vegas man did. One must hope that he doesn’t tire of fake murders and decide to try the real thing.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 4, 2018

              Pythian Apollo statue ? Spare me. Nobody who has seen the real thing would consider buying a tacky reproduction of one. Well, you might, but I wouldn’t. I prefer the memory of the real works of art and wouldn’t desecrate them by a moulded travesty..

              The idea that mass shooters are whining liberals who have issues (what sort of issues ? Everyone has issues) is absurd. There is no easy way to profile these people as the US has found to its cost. Do a little research.

            • Corky

               /  July 4, 2018

              ”He is a dirty dog who buys rubber sex dolls and calls himself their boyfriend as well as making sexist remarks about real women. ”

              Lol..hence my description for you. Quite apt I would say. He was playing to the cameras. Something you should be familiar with.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 4, 2018

              Don’t be asinine and think that you’re being clever. That wasn’t playing for the camera, that was the real man. If he’s playing to the camera, he’s doing himself few favours.He came across as a sexist pervert who has three rubber sex dolls in his house; that is the sign of a disturbed person.

              You have never seen me on camera, so have no idea what I am like. Once again you try to sound clever by talking about something that you know nothing about. I am not so unused to being on camera that I feel a childish need to play to it as I suspect you would if you were ever on it.

            • Corky

               /  July 4, 2018

              ”That wasn’t playing for the camera, that was the real man.”

              Like that dead registered Democrat in a car? Oh, it was a dummy. Guess he was joking, because if it was a real man he could be arrested for murder.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 4, 2018

              Don’t be such an utter fool. The’ real man ‘was the one talking to the camera, as even you should be able to work out.

              The dummy in the car wasn’t mentioned….a hint that this was why it wasn’t what was meant. It may seem a joke to you, but it’s one in poor taste.

              You surely know the difference between an obvious dummy daubed with fake blood and a realistic rubber sex doll, you can’t be that stupid. Nobody could be.

            • Corky

               /  July 4, 2018

              I think you protest too much. This guy would be laughing at your histrionics. Still, its served you well, hasn’t it.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 4, 2018

              Protest too much ? Dream on.

              Let the fool laugh. The opinion of a disgusting pervert who owns sex dolls and whose obsession with weapons suggests the obvious reason for this would be of no interest to me.

              Don’t be absurd. You are once again talking about something that you know nothing about.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 4, 2018

              Don’t be utterly ridiculous. What a very silly little person you are.

              I can see nothing to admire in a gun-mad loony who plays with sex dolls. .

              Once again you talk like the Biblical fool, whose words are like the crackling of thorns under a pot, trying to use long words to impress and using them wrong.

            • Gezza

               /  July 4, 2018

              Just a small point, but shouldn’t that be using them wrongly?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 5, 2018

              No. Wrong is an adverb as well as an adjective.

              Wrongly using them, using them wrong; both are right.

            • Gezza

               /  July 5, 2018

              Yes I’ve just checked & you are correct. Well I never. A wrong & a wrongly made a right.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 5, 2018

              Think ‘X was wrongly convicted.’

  3. High Flying Duck

     /  July 4, 2018

    Labour trampling all over Maori rights again – this time Charter Schools. Could be interesting how this unfolds as it won’t be great for the Government whatever they do from here:

    “Charter school closures will have a disproportionately detrimental effect on Māori, educators Sir Toby Curtis and Dame Iritana Tawhiwhirangi say in a Treaty of Waitangi claim.

    Sir Toby said most of the 1500 students at the charter schools the Government is shutting down were Māori, many of whom had enrolled to get a fresh start in education and get their lives back on track.

    Six of the 11 partnership schools (Kura Hourua) had 87-100 per cent Māori rolls.

    “The rights of these students to make that choice and the rights of parents and whanau to choose and support what’s best for their children are being taken away from them,” Curtis said.

    Tawhiwhirangi said there had been a “total lack of consultation” with the schools and their students’ whanau.

    “This Government has ridden roughshod over the futures of these young people in spite of claiming that they are placing a priority on helping our most vulnerable children.

    “The evidence shows that Kura Hourua have been delivering very positive results for Māori students who for decades have been falling through the gaps,” she said.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12082828

  4. Corky

     /  July 4, 2018

    Yesterday I was relishing the supposed #walkaway movement. However, do Righties really need these type of people?

    I wouldn’t call the following feminists…just liberal bimbos…dealt to by a judge who cuts straight through their bs.

    • Gezza

       /  July 4, 2018

      The blonde one first up sounds like some Trump voter’s rich kid.

  5. Gezza

     /  July 4, 2018

    Speaker’s Ruling today clarifying Ministerial Responsibility.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 4, 2018

      Was “acting your age” one of them?

    • Gezza

       /  July 4, 2018
      • Gezza

         /  July 4, 2018

        This appears to clarify when a Minister is speaking as a Minister. Well, I think it clarifies it. I really don’t want to watch it again. But I hope Shane Jones understands it & I’m sure Winston does.

  6. PartisanZ

     /  July 4, 2018

    “The East Coast experience suggests that economic imperatives will always come to the fore unless the new forest gold rush is controlled by environmental rather than strictly economic imperatives. Either way, the decision-makers might keep in mind that the ramifications of their decisions will be tracked from space for future generations to ponder.”

    ‘Satellite images tell the story of Tolaga Bay’s forestry disaster’ – The Spinoff

    https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/04-07-2018/satellite-images-tell-the-story-of-tolaga-bays-forestry-disaster/

    Better think twice about what species of billion trees we plant …

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  July 4, 2018

      Aren’t people culling pines to stop them killing native trees by taking over their habitat ?

      I forget where this was, but it was on the news a few years ago.

      • PartisanZ

         /  July 4, 2018

        Have a look at the satellite pictures Miss Kitty … especially the video showing 1984 – 2016

        The only culling of pines I’ve heard about was a swathe across the central North Island being culled at 10 – 12 years old to establish dairy farms there instead …

        I dunno how that went with the dairy downturn …?

        • Griff

           /  July 4, 2018

          Wilding conifers, also known as wilding pines, are invasive trees in the high country of New Zealand. Millions of dollars are spent on controlling their spread.

          In the South Island, they threaten 210,000 hectares of public land administered by the Department of Conservation. They are also present on privately owned land and other public land such as roadsides. The wilding conifers are considered to be a threat to biodiversity, farm productivity and to landscape values. Since they often invade tussock grasslands – which are characterised by low-lying vegetation that is considered to be a natural environment – the tall trees become a prominent and unwanted feature.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilding_conifer

          • PartisanZ

             /  July 4, 2018

            Another species to eventually add to our long list of dangerous exotic pests …

            Make that two (if different) … Wilding conifer and Pinus Radiata …

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 4, 2018

          No, this was because they were endangering natives, according to DOC and the then minister, Maggie Barry. I found a Herald article from 2010, but didn’t think that it was that long ago that it was on the news.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 4, 2018

            Mine must have gone on a second after yours,Griff, the ‘no, this was…..’ was in answer to PZ.

            Some loony disagrees with the idea of saving native trees. I wonder who.

            • PartisanZ

               /  July 4, 2018

              Just accept it Miss Kitty … you’ve made one enemy on here …

              Hell, I should be as lucky!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 5, 2018

              I think that some PDT/s must have worked out a system whereby when a particular name appears, it’s automatically downticked, unless they (surely not) have nothing better to do that scroll down and do it as they go. Poor sad beings.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 5, 2018

              I have upticked you twice, PZ, to make up for the PDTs mean spirit.

              The PUT -Phantom Up Ticker 😀

  7. lurcher1948

     /  July 4, 2018

    And yes George was good, seen him

  8. Kitty Catkin

     /  July 4, 2018

    If people can’t survive on $1000 a week after their mortgage has been paid (and other debts) there must be something wrong with them. (New Shub)

    It’s appalling that people on a fraction of that for their entire income, out of which everything has to come, should be subbing someone with that amount.

    And Amy Adams made an excellent point about how someone could have a fortune in the bank and still be given a house by the taxpayer.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  July 4, 2018

      PDT must think that it’s all right for the taxpayer to pay for houses for people on that sort of income and with who knows what in assets.

      A person on $120, 000 with a partner on the same income can apply in their name only and be given a house by the taxpayer, no need to do like everyone else and save up for it. Their mortgage will be low and they will be doing very nicely at the expense of the rest of us.

      I can only hope that this blatant misuse of the money that belongs to the people of NZ will fizzle out.

      Meanwhile, other mugs on fixed incomes who are subbing these people into new houses which are much better than the mugs’ own ones, have waiting lists for operations and other health care so that someone can own a brand new house.

    • duperez

       /  July 4, 2018

      Someone could have a fortune in the bank, have parents with incomes disguised and yet be getting the not-have-to-be-paid-back student allowance too.

      • And likewise national superannuation. The ultimate no questions asked handout.

        • PartisanZ

           /  July 4, 2018

          I assume National Super will eventually be means tested when Kiwisaver comes on stream fully?

          Why wait? The means testing could even afford to be quite generous and still save the NZ taxpayer a whole bag of money …

          The surcharge was the best idea yet … Still pay everybody over 65 National Super – retaining the ‘universal’ branding – but recoup it entirely or in part via income tax from those who don’t need it …

          The same could apply to a UBI for that matter … although, as we already know, multitudes of people with give up their lucrative jobs and businesses for a measly $10K a year …

          • Gezza

             /  July 4, 2018

            As I understand it, argument for the universality of National Superannuation is that those contributing to it are contributing an investment fund – like for an annuity life insurance policy – so they are simply entitled to receive their investment payout annually on reaching age 65.

            • Blazer

               /  July 4, 2018

              the argument is simple…with an aging population Nat Super is a vote…winner.

        • duperez

           /  July 4, 2018

          You probably know the student allowance is not an ultimate no questions asked handout.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 5, 2018

            It used to be.

            Then when my generation were in power, the ladder was pulled up with a mocking larf as the enraged younger generation fumed and fretted below.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 5, 2018

              One fool won Lotto,PZ, and, according to him, was told by WINZ that he ‘would have to spend it all’ to keep his Sickness Benefit (as it was then)
              They probably said something about how it would all have to have spent etc etc, not thinking that anyone would be so stupid that they would blow the lot (it was the guts of $1,000,000) on stupid things so as to keep an income a fraction of what the interest would have earned.

              It was about 2/3 of a million, in round figures,

              $666,666 even in a term deposit would earn far more than a WINZ payment.