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  1. Corky

     /  July 5, 2018

    I really want to give Labour a serve regarding their housing policy. However, at least Labour is trying something. What did National do?

    Mikey had a commentator on this morning who looked at Labour’s housing policy from a different angle. He said with the housing market showing signs of cooling, it means developers will start cutting back on their projects. The Labour governments scheme needs developers.

    And, talking of Labour. What’s this about Jonesy wanting to plant an invasive species of weed?. Should the Governor General intervene before these merry socialists send us back to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle?

    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 5, 2018

      National let the private sector build houses to fill the gap.
      Labour are also letting the private sector build houses, but are then rebranding them as “Kiwibuild”
      Other than sticking the KB moniker on it, I’m not sure what the difference is. The promises of the state stepping in to fill the gap have very quickly been backtracked due to the unexpected introduction of reality into the policy mix.

      • Blazer

         /  July 5, 2018

        ‘National let the private sector build houses to fill the gap.’….except the gap kept getting bigger.
        Foreign millionaires gobbled up existing stock and cut kiwis out of the market.
        John Key made the biggest $ windfall of any deal he has done in his life when he sold his Parnell property and retained 500 sq m of it.
        No wonder he resigned…the ultimate inside trade.JK…’NO COMMENT’.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  July 5, 2018

          Clutching at straws Blazer.
          I’m sure Jacinda was happy with her windfall as well.
          My point is that the wondrous world of Kiwibuild is not in fact increasing construction at all, and the State isn’t moving in to increase capacity, because, as everyone told the Labour Party when they were in opposition, there was a capacity & regulation issue not a willingness to build issue.
          Twyford in his KB launch basically said exactly what National had been saying for the last 6 years – land availability, onerous regulation, consenting costs and time frames and construction capacity constraints are stopping houses from being built, and impacting on affordability.
          He forgot to mention his party was a large reason for the regulatory constraints not being eased.

          • Blazer

             /  July 5, 2018

            ‘land availability, onerous regulation, consenting costs and time frames and construction capacity constraints are stopping houses from being built, and impacting on affordability.’

            gee ,so after identifying the problems,what did Nats do…SFA.
            NZ has a similar landmass to the U.K WHICH HOUSES OVER 60 MIL.

            Ireland could build 90,000 houses a year.
            Foreign buyers and specs caused this crisis,never mind the red herrings.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  July 5, 2018

              Tell it to the people who refuse to amend the RMA and to the councils who rort the builders with exorbitant costs, delay consents, can’t provide enough inspectors, designate land so that it cannot be built on…
              What did National not do that would have changed this, and as you were asked elsewhere, what exactly is it that Labour are doing differently?

  2. The person arrested for alleged assaults at a Labour Youth camp earlier this year is due to appear in court today.

    If name suppression applies please do not attempt to identify them. Anything comment I deem at legal risk will be deleted.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 5, 2018

      I hope I’m not giving too much away by adding he has pleaded not-Guilty.

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/105222563/labour-party-summer-camp-accused-appears

    • David

       /  July 5, 2018

      I fail to see why he should get name suppression, its supposed to be only granted in exceptional circumstances and this guy is being accused of being handsy.

      • duperez

         /  July 5, 2018

        Obviously the judge (or whoever) was privy to all information and decided suppression fitted the bill.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 5, 2018

          Being accused does not automatically mean guilt.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 5, 2018

            It doesn’t , PDT.

            That’s why we have the police, trials, judges, lawyers and juries. If accusation was all that was needed, the whole country would be inside.

  3. Corky

     /  July 5, 2018

    Bad news for herb-heads. This study finds no benefit for medicinal cannabis . The study is, however, flawed as is the general rule when tests are conducted on anything controversial.

    Yesterday I took a diabetic relly to see a medical consultant filling in for his regular specialist.

    ‘Hmmm,’ said the consultant. ”Not good is it? I’ll look at your latest test results.” Puzzled he said:”‘ that can’t be right given the complications you had previously. These test results are that of a normal person… in fact better than many of my patients.”

    I said a couple of years ago my relly started using supplements. His reply was there’s no scientific evidence supplements work. He conceded Vitamin D and omega 3 are important, but said you can get that from food. He failed to mention the most critical supplement for any diabetic…magnesium. Hell of a nice guy though. He knew his stuff, especially on the drug front.

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australian-researchers-cannabis-chronic-pain-2018-7

    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 5, 2018

      These stories pop up every now and then, but single person anecdotes are not credible.
      Banks have to report their underperforming loans and it can have negative flow on effects when they grow.
      The stats seem to back up the banks version.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 5, 2018

        It;s very hard to believe that a bank would give people money that they can’t repay. They are in the business of making money, and this would be a stupid business practice.

        • Gezza

           /  July 5, 2018

          Bank Staff surveyed recently say they feel constantly pressured every week into selling products clients can’t afford, Kitty.

          • Gezza

             /  July 5, 2018

            Well, to be more precise, they say they are constantly pressured to sell products & this leads some to sell loans their clients cannot afford with some going into arrears almost immediately. I think this would be true.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 5, 2018

            The only person who can stop this is the person who can’t afford it, of course.

        • MaureenW

           /  July 5, 2018

          Banks don’t lose on housing loans. They extend a line of credit and take the asset if it’s not paid. Win/Win.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 5, 2018

            They do other loans, they do not just do mortgages.

  4. lurcher1948

     /  July 5, 2018

    A Trump deployable…
    caution strong language
    and before making a fool of yourself on the web,..wear a clean top

    • MaureenW

       /  July 5, 2018

      Where does she identify herself as a Trump supporter? She doesn’t? So all you’re left with is a video of a pig, who’s political persuasion is unknown. Well done Einstein.

      • Patzcuaro

         /  July 5, 2018

        Looks like she forgot her cap.

      • Gezza

         /  July 5, 2018

        At a guess though, Maureen, who do you reckon she’d have voted for?

        Donald or Hillary? 🤔

        • Corky

           /  July 5, 2018

          Trumpy. Without a doubt.

        • MaureenW

           /  July 5, 2018

          I have no idea Gezza. Who do you think the other folk on the bus voted for?

          • Gezza

             /  July 5, 2018

            My guess would be that the black woman voted for Hillary. And that if I’m wrong, & she voted for Trump, that she might be wishing now that she hadn’t.

            But come on Maureen. I’m just asking for your guess. It’s not like she’s your sister or anything.

            Garn, what’s your best guess? I’m with Corky. Bet she voted for Trump.

            • MaureenW

               /  July 5, 2018

              Well, she’s so much of a moron she will have meant to vote for Clinton, probably incapable of reading the ballot paper properly and inadvertently voted for Trump.

              The shining Candidate for the progressives, “the most qualified person to be president”, cheated and lost. #Walkaway.

              This scurrilous crook with her private and public faces, not only lost her second run for the presidency, she has reduced the Democratic Party to a wasteland.

            • MaureenW

               /  July 5, 2018

              You must prefer your morons in better clothes ..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFRHX6glTSM

            • Gezza

               /  July 5, 2018

              I’m sorry Maureen but as that video doesn’t fit very well with my narrative I won’t be making any substantive comment on it.

            • MaureenW

               /  July 5, 2018

              Likewise, Lurch’s video doesn’t fit with mine. All I saw was an overweight, loud-mouthed moron of no particular political persuasion.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  July 5, 2018

              @Maureen I see the video was paid for by the Republican Party.

              The cohesion of society in the US appears to be breaking down. This is probably due to the increasing disparity of wealth in the US. What you see in the video (assuming it is a real) is the result of large sections of society (working class whites and African Americans for instance) feeling they don’t have a stake in society.

              A job and home ownership were traditional stakes in society without which there is no hope. It is okay for the winners but is the best for society overall?

            • MaureenW

               /  July 5, 2018

              @ Patzcuaro
              The activities are real. Rublican produced and paid for.
              The point being, morons don’t belong to any particular persuasion.

              The other points you mention are not something recent – been going on for decades – I don’t see this changing anytime soon.

    • MaureenW

       /  July 5, 2018

      Lurch, it is you that posts deplorable dribble on this blog every day about imaginary Trump supporters being morons. Pot/kettle and all of that.

  5. High Flying Duck

     /  July 5, 2018

    Kim Dotcom is still being persecuted by the man!

    “After losing their case against extradition in the North Shore District Court, and then on appeal in the High Court, the four men had appealed to the Court of Appeal, which on Thursday rejected their arguments.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105254436/kim-dotcom-loses-appeal-against-extradition

    Maybe, just maybe, there is an actual extraditable offence and he wasn’t just subjected to a John Key / Warner Bros conspiracy.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 5, 2018

      “In a statement, the Court explained the appeal was declined because the United States government had sufficient evidence to warrant extradition.

      “The United States relied on a range of extradition pathways in seeking the extradition of the appellants,” the statement said.

      “The Court has confirmed all these extradition pathways are available to the United States, and that the United States has tendered sufficient evidence to support their case on those pathways.”

      • Corky

         /  July 5, 2018

        Just caught the end of a news item…if I heard right he’s been cleared for extradition.
        Georgia State Correctional would be my bet. Wherever he goes the bros will want to show him he may be something on the outside…inside he belongs to them..unless he can stump up with some cash.

        • Corky

           /  July 5, 2018

          Apparently, according to Leighton, Dotcom has offered information to the Muller Investigation. If that’s true he will die in the US.

        • Gezza

           /  July 5, 2018

          It’s ok. You can relax. There’s the Supreme Court to go yet.

          • Corky

             /  July 5, 2018

            Bummer..my imagination is running wild. Images of Dotcom receiving the baton from Big Boss Man. You would have thought he’d had learn’t his lesson after Sir John Key made a mockery of him.

            • Gezza

               /  July 5, 2018

              There was that awkward, embarrassing business where Sir John had to publicly apologise to Kimmy for Sir John’s spy agencies illegally spying on him though.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  July 5, 2018

    There are more videos go to Fox, this one is off RT

    • Gezza

       /  July 5, 2018

      I’m not impressed with this one so far.

  7. Patzcuaro

     /  July 5, 2018

    Sanity v insanity

    • Corky

       /  July 5, 2018

      Turn the lights out, Jen, after your mates have walked away.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 5, 2018

      Interesting the cartoon has a white person saying people liked being slaves, when the guy who said it was dark.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 5, 2018

        White people have said it many, many times, starting when there was slavery. If slaves were treated well, as many were, that was considered to be a justification for having slaves.

        Kanye West was just one more in a long line, showing that idiocy is colour-blind.

        • MaureenW

           /  July 5, 2018

          You missed the context of what Kanye was saying. He was referring to black people who were enslaved to a Democratic Party that doesn’t serve them. Vote where you get the best deal was the point, although I’m not sure there is any “best deal”

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 5, 2018

            Rubbish. He was referring to slavery.

            • MaureenW

               /  July 5, 2018

              No he wasn’t, I saw the clip of his dialogue

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 5, 2018

              He said that over 400 years of slavery, it must have been (sounded like ?) a choice.

              The Republican Party was formed in 1854, slavery began in the c.17, more than 200 years earlier.He couldn’t have meant that.

              He tried backpedalling, but it was too late.

  8. Blazer

     /  July 5, 2018

    he’s won almost every case and proved what an amateurish kiss ass operation this whole thing is.
    Supreme court appeal next step.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 5, 2018

      He’s won cases on the overreach of the warrants and searches.
      He’s lost every case so far on the substance of the accusations.

      • Blazer

         /  July 5, 2018

        whatever happened to the days when form always triumphed over …substance!

  9. lurcher1948

     /  July 5, 2018

    Trumps america a vision

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  July 5, 2018

      I wish that this wasn’t true.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 5, 2018

      So it’s a dramatisation? Still not great. But not a product of Trump – this has been going on for many years. It’s just OK when the great orator does it. Like drone strikes.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 5, 2018

        Well, yes, it’s a dramatisation, but the judge is the real judge, who is unlikely to do this video if it wasn’t what happened in reality.

  10. High Flying Duck

     /  July 5, 2018

    More corporate PR bull from the Nats and Business NZ masquerading as the reality firms are facing under Labour:

    “Storm clouds may be gathering for the upcoming corporate earnings season as business confidence hits a seven-year low and almost a third of companies said profits shrank in the June quarter.

    The latest quarterly survey of business opinion – released yesterday – showed a net 16 percent of respondents reported lower earnings in the three months ended June 30, down from a net 7 percent in the prior quarter. Importantly, a net 12 percent expect to report lower earnings in the September quarter, signalling a shift in perceived earnings momentum.

    “The net measure does suggest some weakness in corporate earnings for the upcoming reporting season,” said New Zealand Institute of Economic Research principal economist Christina Leung.

    The survey’s sector break-down showed around 30 percent of firms across the board said their profitability was “down” on the three months to the end of June.

    James Lindsay, senior portfolio manager at Nikko Asset Management New Zealand, said “looking at these numbers it would be hard to see it not showing some effect on company earnings over the next few reporting seasons”. He said of particular concern was the shrinking investment intentions.

    Rising costs have crimped earnings with building sector firms reporting intense margin pressures and retail firms struggling to pass on higher wage bills to consumers. The QSBO was in line with the latest ANZ Business Outlook survey for June with expected profitability deteriorating to a net 17 percent, suggesting firms have little ability to pass on higher costs in the face of strong competition.”

    http://www.sharechat.co.nz/article/71185b70/shrinking-profitability-in-business-surveys-sounds-warning-on-corporate-earnings.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Shrinking%20profitability%20in%20business%20surveys%20sounds%20warning%20on%20corporate%20earning

    • Blazer

       /  July 5, 2018

      ‘ He said of particular concern was the shrinking investment intentions.’….yeah..right.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  July 5, 2018

        Those results back up what I am seeing and hearing these days. Investment has pulled back significantly. Developments are on hold.
        You can mock, but I know people who have lost significant work in recent times due to projects not going ahead or being put on hold.

        • Blazer

           /  July 6, 2018

          I know of many bankruptcies over the last 5-6 years.Building firms,developers,etc…and of course look at the performance of FBU and various other entities.
          Who shall we blame ?

  11. Corky

     /  July 5, 2018

    Want to see a gutless infidel? Watch this. Not a terrorist in sight. Apparently this sheila is coming to New Zealand. Might go and she her for some bias reinforcement..based on facts.

    • Corky

       /  July 5, 2018

      *SEE*

    • Gezza

       /  July 5, 2018

      I think she’s a bit thick tbh, Corks. For a start, there’s no reliable evidence Jesus Christ really did actually exist, but if he did, it’s certainly not impossible that he could have been gay, from what’s written the Bible. No missus or regular squeeze mentioned.

      But placards saying Allah was gay or that Muhammad was gay just couldn’t fly because it’s well known from the Quran Hadith that neither would have been. So, in contrast to a claim Jesus was gay, it’s just silly.

      She’d have been better off with placards saying “Jesus our Saviour died on the cross, was resurrected: & is with God, Muhammad is wrong” which is what Christians believe. And then she would have a reasonable basis for demonstrating how religiously tolerant or otherwise her target group is in a Christian & secular country.

      • Gezza

         /  July 5, 2018

        *written IN the Bible
        *Quran AND Hadith

  12. Kitty Catkin

     /  July 5, 2018

    I wonder how many people checked their bank balance to see if the heating $ had gone in….and found that they had, all 3 of them. Yes, $3. It’s a part payment because it began on the 1st and this is the 5th. So the daily amount is just over 60c so far. How generous. Does this mean that it will be about $4.20 a week rather than $20 ?

  13. lurcher1948

     /  July 5, 2018

    Off competing in Wanganui this weekend,so have a good weekend as its rain and mud for RED and me….

  14. lurcher1948

     /  July 5, 2018

    When you feel your thoughts are no longer wanted, NEIL uplifts you