Death and rape threats against Davidson

Yesterday Green MP and co-leader Marama Davidson tweeted:

I think this claim has to be seen as credible. But it seems worse.

RNZ: Green Party co-leader receives rape and death threats on social media

The MP posted on Facebook yesterday morning, supporting Auckland mayor Phil Goff’s decision to ban two controversial Canadian speakers from Auckland Council venues.

Marama Davidson said “vile” comments about death and rape were made by supporters of the Canadian pair on her Facebook post yesterday.

“Quite a lot of tears from supporters of the two…some quite vile disgusting death threats to me, my children…some rape threats and people just calling me the most disgusting names and abuse you could probably imagine.”

She deleted the comments straight away because she did not want the wider public to get offended by what was written.

But she was now trying to recover the messages so she could give them to the police.

“Yeah I think it is worthwhile just putting on record to the authorities. That could include the parliamentary security – that this threat has been received,” she said.

Davidson’s post on Facebook:

Threats against MPs and their families shouldn’t be tolerated in New Zealand.

I have reservations about the Auckland banning of the Canadians, but that doesn’t justify threatening someone who supports the ban. It is something that warrants debate, but not gutless anonymous online attacks.

I don’t know how bad the threats were, I haven’t seen them, but it is still a disgraceful blot on ‘free speech’ and politics in New Zealand.

I know what it can be like to be threatened online, it has happened to me including implied death threats, and also threats against members of my family. It is an insidious part of the Internet – threats and abuse are an abuse of free speech.

 

91 Comments

  1. artcroft

     /  July 8, 2018

    I read Oscar Knightley’s piece in stuff yesterday and was not surprised to find that, he, after viewing youtube clips of the pair could only fault them for dissing SJW’s. But apparently this is enough to banned them from entry to NZ. Sad.
    NB: I condemn those who made threats to Davidson.

    • Blazer

       /  July 8, 2018

      except they are not banned,

    • Gezza

       /  July 8, 2018

      She definitely disses Islam too, I’ve seen her. But I’m ok with people dissing religions, & especially religions which are incompatible with modern Western human rights beliefs & values.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 8, 2018

        I am not in favour of dissing religions. If people want respect, they also have to show it.

        I have never had a Muslim try to push their views onto me, but have had a number of fundies from soi-disant Christian religions do so ! Don’t get me started on missionaries in Israel.

        Nutters and fundies of all religions are (one hopes) in the minority.

        • Gezza

           /  July 8, 2018

          I think people who preach obvious nonsense & untruths should be told when their beliefs are patently untrue & highly questionnable, or completely incompatible with other religions, cultural values, atheistic beliefs, & just the truth, & be happy to debate them to prove their case or accept they can’t.

          I don’t think this is done enough.

    • sorethumb

       /  July 8, 2018

      Note the lack of comments on controversial issues. That’s how media and power go together: “oh look, we have had our discussion”.

  2. Grimm

     /  July 8, 2018

    “But she was now trying to recover the messages so she could give them to the police”

    Thatta girl, now you’re doing the right thing. Maybe doing that in the first place, instead of using it as an emotive political tool, might have been more sensible.

    Convenient that she is very unlikely to be able to get the comments back though isn’t it?

    • David

       /  July 8, 2018

      “Convenient that she is very unlikely to be able to get the comments back though isn’t it?”

      The news cycle will have long since moved on, no one will care if her IT skills prove up to the challenge. She got her headline after all….

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 8, 2018

        Facebook would be able to, wouldn’t they ?

        The problem is that so many claim that they have had death threats which are not serious ones that the claim is now met with scepticism.

        • David

           /  July 8, 2018

          “Facebook would be able to, wouldn’t they ?”

          I doubt Facebook have the skills required.

        • Gezza

           /  July 8, 2018

          Facebook should be able to but I wonder if police IT forensics experts could possibly recover something as well. My concern is that Marama has adopted an anti-Southern stance & then made a claim that could be nothing more than: “How would you and your daughters like to be raped?? – in the context of someone saying that’s what some Muslims in Europe, or ISIS extremists have done.

          If it’s straight out rape and murder threat(s) then that’s disgusting & I hope the bastards are tracked down & prosecuted, but we don’t know exactly what was said, & in what context, & Marama obviously has an axe to grind about these people & their supporters. So I don’t know exactly what has happened here, because the evidence is missing.

  3. Patzcuaro

     /  July 8, 2018

    I fear there has been a missed opportunity here, if the meeting had been allowed to go ahead the police would have been able to put checkpoints in place to gather the names of those attending. There is no knowing what sort of creepy crawlies they may have found.

    • artcroft

       /  July 8, 2018

      Can you link to a racist or hateful statement made by made by either of these two Canadians? Cheers.

      • Patzcuaro

         /  July 8, 2018

        Often it may not be what the primary people say or do, they maybe too subtle. The damage often comes from the secondary people who follow their words or actions.

        • Corky

           /  July 8, 2018

          Translation: I cannot provide any links Arty has requested.

          • Patzcuaro

             /  July 8, 2018

            Clarification i haven’t bother to look.

            There are allegations that someone who is disappointed that the Molyneau/Southern event won’t go ahead, has made threats against someone who opposed the event.

            The Canadian pair are smart enough to keep their hands clean, unfortunately people who follow them may not be.

            • artcroft

               /  July 8, 2018

              Then you’ll feel comfortable with a ban on marxists speakers. There has certainly been a lot of killing in the name of marxism, so it meets the threshold for a ban.

      • Blazer

         /  July 8, 2018

        can you provide any evidence they have been banned from entering NZ….cheers.

        • Gezza

           /  July 8, 2018

          RNZ reported that Southern is automatically visa banned from NZ because she has been visa banned from the UK, & thus she requires special permission for a visa. Ian Lees Galloway, the Immigration Minister, said Immigration NZ was looking in to it.

          I posted on this yesterday.

          Has INZ made any further comment since?

          • Blazer

             /  July 8, 2018

            so she does not automatically receive a visa=not the same as being banned.
            She has cancelled her visit.

            • Gezza

               /  July 8, 2018

              She is in a category of person not eligible for a visa. So she is banned. Until a visa is issued. Any other Canadian intending a visit for a short duration who is not banned (there would be bugger-all, mainly those with convictions or suspected terrorists) is entitled to a visa.

            • Gezza

               /  July 8, 2018

              NZ Immigration Instructions (Operational Manual) online

              Persons ineligible for a temporary visa (visitors, students, work visas)
              include
              any person who:
              ….
              v. is excluded from New Zealand under any enactment; or
              vi. has, at any time, been removed, excluded, or deported from another country.

        • Blazer

           /  July 8, 2018

          ‘ she is banned. Until a visa is issued. ‘….no kidding.

          • Gezza

             /  July 8, 2018

            Yes. She needs a visa to visa to NZ. Because she has been excluded from the UK she is a person not eligible for a temporary visa. She actually can’t get an class of visa unless an exemption is granted. So she is a banned visitor unless that happens. It’s simple enuf. Even you should be able to grasp it.

          • Blazer

             /  July 8, 2018

            so trying to book the Bruce Mason Centre was just posturing, because she knew she was banned from coming to NZ anyway.?
            Perhaps you can grasp this fact….you need to apply for a visa to be granted one in the circumstances.

            • Gezza

               /  July 8, 2018

              It depends when they found out. She’s obviously not banned visiting from Australia. We don’t know what their rules are. I expect they found out when they tried to book the airline ticket.

              Perhaps you can grasp this fact – she is not eligible under our Immigration Act for a temporary visa unless she is granted an exemption from the subsection of the Act which bans her from from receiving one.

              Whether they were posturing or not is irrelevant to the point they obviously want to make. In the West you can criticise obvious magic myth & rubbish & outdated oppressive rules for behaviour in the Hebrew Bible & the New Testament, because these books are obviously not all true, & few believers still follow or even believe it all, but you can’t criticise the equivalent ludicrous claims and oppressive crap in the Quran, because the fundamental claims in that are not true, & are incompatible with truth & other religious, & many devout deluded people still believe it.

              That causes conflict within any society in which Muslims become numerous & where Islam is denied or criticised. You only have to look around the world at countries where Muslims predominate to see this.

              From my perspective I’m happy to debate & debunk all 3 of these religions. It’s never a problem with Christians. It’s a problem with Muslims.

        • artcroft

           /  July 8, 2018

          See Gezza’s comment below. Can you provide any evidence that you are receptive to a honest and open exchange of ideas. Or do you simply toe the party line no matter what.

    • David

       /  July 8, 2018

      “the police would have been able to put checkpoints in place to gather the names of those attending.”

      This isn’t Orwellian in anyway way at all….

    • sorethumb

       /  July 8, 2018

      Bigot

      • sorethumb

         /  July 8, 2018

        Patzcuaro / July 8, 2018
        I fear there has been a missed opportunity here, if the meeting had been allowed to go ahead the police would have been able to put checkpoints in place to gather the names of those attending. There is no knowing what sort of creepy crawlies they may have found.
        ……..
        Bigot

  4. NOEL

     /  July 8, 2018

    I dunno.You have some people who by reputation stir the pot to stoke there egos.
    It would have to be a draconian lease agreement if I owned a venue for them to hire.
    Maybe Auckland ratepayers and taxpayer have been saved a bundle by this decision.

  5. NOEL

     /  July 8, 2018

    From my understanding of reporting in the media the aint coming because council won’t hire them a venue. The only people who can deny them entry is immigration.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  July 8, 2018

      I’ll provide a soap box and windy corner if they still want to come. No charge.

    • Gezza

       /  July 8, 2018

      RNZ & Stuff reported that her agent said Southern is automatically banned for an automatic visa by Immigration because she is visa banned from the UK. Immigration NZ has (I think) not yet confirmed this but my bet is that this would be correct.

      • Gezza

         /  July 8, 2018

        Yep. I’ve checked Immigration’s Online Manual – because she’s been excluded from the UK she is, under the Immigration Act, a person not eligible for a temporary (or a residence) visa.

        To get one she has to be exempted from this provision by Immigration NZ. The decision whether to grant one is not a straightfoward & simple matter.

  6. David

     /  July 8, 2018

    Some impressive PR skills on display here. Southern and Molyneuax get tons of publicity that will be effective at promoting their respective bands globally. Goff gets to virtue signal to all his mates that he is ‘right on’, and Davidson’s gets to raise her profile with a ‘help, help, I’m being oppressed story.

    Everyone is getting what they want.

    My favorite quote from the links above; “I don’t think insulting Muslims comes under free speech, that’s an abuse of freedom of speech.”

    If NZ society is so fragile that someone as lightweight as Southern, and someone as creepy as Molyneuax is a threat to the ‘public good’, then times are going to be interesting.

  7. Zedd

     /  July 8, 2018

    disgraceful.. for anyone to threaten such things

  8. Gezza

     /  July 8, 2018

    I have no problem with people, having read the Quran, pointing out that it’s full of unbelievable crap about Allah talking to Muhammad thru the angel Gabriel over 23 years prescribing all sorts of ridiculous rules for what Allah demands of everyone including – unbelievers & those Jews & Christians under Muslim rule – & that the Jews & Christians have got the same God (Jaweh & the Trinity) all wrong – that’s why Allah came back to straighten things out, thru him, in ways & times that suited this warlord & helped him convince and then force an ignorant bunch of constantly-warring polytheistic desert Arabs with a vengeance-ridden tribal culture to accept that submission to his power & demands was better than what they had.

    And it was. But it’s crap. And it’s a recipe for domination by an intolerant, violent, punitive authoritarian culture wherever Muslims become a majority. Because in that situation, if you tell them it’s crap, you are highly likely to be murdered, you will certainly be attacked.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  July 8, 2018

      Gezza, you are starting to sound like Corky and Brown when it comes to Islam.

      How many people here have been murdered by Muslims ?

      • Gezza

         /  July 8, 2018

        None so far. We had two convicted for accessing ISIS videos who as I recall esposed support for their views. They will no doubt being monitored, & the SIS tracked some Jihadi brides, & one Imam was censured for preaching Muslim anti-Jewish eschatology. Our Muslim communities are small. Get a large number of devout Sunnis from the Middle East or Pakistan & see what happens.

        Do you believe Allah spoke to Mohammed & told him all that is in the Quran, Kitty? And that this should all be followed to the letter by all Muslims?

      • Corky

         /  July 8, 2018

        Gezza isn’t sounding like me. He is more moderate. I am hardline when it comes to Muslims.
        However, I wish them no harm, unless they instigate violence against us. My view is they should not, under any circumstances, be allowed into New Zealand.. I also believe will should take no refugees who are Muslim… and a scheme should be started where we can repatriate some of them.

        While that may seem extreme to you and Pete, my attitude will eventually be vindicated.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 8, 2018

          I doubt it.

          I would be totally opposed to repatriating people who riaked their lives to help NZ as translators, also the Muslim doctors who are essential to the health system and other Muslim professionals, ditto,

          Well, nobody is as rabid as you are,

          You pretend to wish someone whom you want to send back to the sort of place that they have left no harm ?

          Do you know why the former UN translators came here ? Their lives were in danger because they helped us. I think that the least we can do is not leave them in that sort of danger, Sorry, mates, we don’t need you now.

          As the NZ ones have not instigated violence and are not remotely likely to, your spiteful hope will come to nothing. Your rabid view is, thank God, not widespread,

          You are like people who think that all Christians are fundy fanatics .

          • Corky

             /  July 8, 2018

            Gezza- moderate
            Corky- hardline

            You may have overlooked that during your rush to vent.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 8, 2018

              Hardly. Nobody could ever think that you were anything but a hardline fanatic.

  9. Corky

     /  July 8, 2018

    Here’s some of her work. Judge for yourself.

  10. Gezza

     /  July 8, 2018

    Tommy Robinson. Same issues with Islam & thus Muslims. Also why he’s understandably opposed to Islam in Britain & criticises Islam (for a start, like me, he’s read the bloody Quran), but he’s not a racist. Not long. Worth a look.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  July 8, 2018

      How does he justify the fact that the ovewhelming majority of Muslims are not murderous fanatics, just as Christians are not all like the Westboro Baptists or Gloriavale ?

      • Corky

         /  July 8, 2018

        You aren’t getting it. Murdering fanatics are the tip of a iceberg. The all encompassing Islamic faith is the major problem. It demands much of Muslims. It demands they live a certain way. And that way is destroying; impinging at best, our Western values.

        F antics aren’t the problem. Everyday Muslims are. Lets see what’s happening in New Zealand:

        1- Sectarian violence between some factions of Islam.
        2- Sexism in Muslim only schools.
        3-Sexism at swimming pools
        4- Jew Haters.
        5- Demand for Halal products.
        6-An official Muslim organisation with links to the ultra fundamental Wahhabi sect of Islam.
        7- A women’s Muslim organisation run by men.

        As you can see…not a terrorist in sight.

        • Corky

           /  July 8, 2018

          Forgot invited hate preachers preaching to young Muslims. Marvellous.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 8, 2018

          The sexism in swimming pools is a myth. Some have women only days for all women that were started with no reference at all to Muslim women but which are appreciated by them.

          There is sectarian violence in many places. Have you ever heard of Northen Ireland and the IRA ? I suspect that Islamic terrorists have still not beaten the IRA’s record for disruption and killings.

          The demand for Halal products is just like a demand (as in market for) any other product to be made available. If people are prepared to provide it, let them. Nobody’d obliged to buy it.

          There have probably been far more Christian hate preachers around, like the Baptist one here who made NZ too hot to hold him and went to Australia. He thinks that gays deserve the death penalty.

          In NZ schools, corporal punishment (instittutionalised violence) was boys only, except for an occasional strap at primary school. But caning was not done to girls.

          If you imagine that Jew hating is confined to one group, you are an idiot. Have you heard of the neoNazis ?

          • David

             /  July 8, 2018

            The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority

            View story at Medium.com

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 8, 2018

              If 55,000 managed to force 4,200,000 to do something, it would be amazing and the weaklings who let them do it would deserve it.

              It would presuppose that the entire 55,000 wanted to, and they don’t.

          • Corky

             /  July 8, 2018

            ”The sexism in swimming pools is a myth. Some have women only days for all women that were started with no reference at all to Muslim women but which are appreciated by them.”

            That’s plain wrong to start with. How do I know this? At the time I emailed the pool involved. The reply said they were respecting a diverse multi cultural community. No mention of women days just for women started by women,

            Kitty, it’s a waste of time us continuing this debate. Best you stay in your cocoon until our first terrorist incident wakes the nation up. And, oh boy, can you imagine the lines of middleclass parents in their SUV waiting to pick their children up as the nation goes into panic mode? That type of over reaction is what happens when you don’t prepare for something.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 8, 2018

              The pool at Mt Albert has women-only days. Don’t talk nonsense, I bet that you didn’t even know about it.

              We have had terrorism here; remember the Rainbow Warrior ?

              I was in Belgium when terrorist gangs (no, not Muslim ones) were carrying out attacks. I have seen soldiers armed with machineguns at Heathrow because the IRA threat was still there. My family were no strangers to terrorism. My mother and stepfather once had bullets flying around them, my aunt’s holiday house was damaged by the bomb that killed Moun tbatten, my great-uncle had the IRA break into his house and had a knife against his throat all night. Don’t tell me that I am unaware of terrorism. I taught ESOL to Cambodians, some of whom bore the scars of torture.

              You seem fascinated by middle-class people in SUVs for some reason.

              Keep fantasising about the terrorist threat in NZ, it’s pointless trying to convince a conspiracy freak who believes that Eisenhower or Truman met aliens on a spaceship of anything based upon reason.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 8, 2018

              The women only pool times are 2 hours a week and on weekdays (more than one pool has them) Two hours out of the 168 in a week.

              There are many reasons why a woman might not want to be seen in togs by the public;.

      • Gezza

         /  July 8, 2018

        How does he justify the fact that the ovewhelming majority of Muslims are not murderous fanatics

        6 credible death threats officially warned about/reported to him by the police, & one group of Islamists actually arrested & jailed, having been sprung by the coppers with all the necessary planning & equipment, to murder him is probably more relevant to him.

        But did you watch the video, Kitty? That’s only the dangerous end of believing in this cult. He has other concerns about Islam & the teachings of Muhammad in the Quran & Histories of Muhammad. Many Muslims in Britain don’t integrate. The Quran tells them not to. You know this if you have read it.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 8, 2018

          Many do, though, The London mayor is Muslim. Many sportspeople are,

          6 is a small number, with only one lot arrested.

          I am about to make a claim for some shares in the UK….and the woman with whom I am dealing has a Muslim name.

          It doesn’t make headlines when people like her are doing what other people do, of course.

          One only has to look around to see how many Muslims integrate. But that isn’t news, whereas the fanatics are.

          Please don’t become like Corky !

          • Corky

             /  July 8, 2018

            Lol. I fear becoming like you. So naive. So middleclass. So lost.

            • Blazer

               /  July 8, 2018

              what about you Corky…you should understand…always have a bogeyman…even if you have to invent..one.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 8, 2018

              You will never become like me, don’t flatter yourself. Your IQ and understanding won’t grow now, your experience of different cultures won’t, and you will never know the sort of people whom I have known.

              If I thought that there was any danger of my becoming like you, gullible enough to believe that US presidents met aliens on spaceships, too narrowminded to realise that there are differences between people of various persuasions, so smug and conceited, I would shoot myself.

              You will never become middle-class, that is too great a leap for someone like you.

            • Corky

               /  July 8, 2018

              Hmmm. What button did I press?

              ‘If I thought that there was any danger of me becoming like you, gullible enough to believe that US presidents met aliens on spaceships’

              What?

          • Gezza

             /  July 8, 2018

            We have only a small Muslim Community in New Zealand, although it is growing. The Mayor of London from what little I have seen of him discussing Islam is Muslim in name only & even said that he can’t speak for what any other Muslims believe.

            Islam is fundamentally based on an Arab medieval warlord’s bullshit. It is false, oppressive & contradicts ordinary Western notions of human rights. Those that don’t realise it, haven’t read the Quran, or have read only bits of it their Imam has interpreted for them. Any Islamic scholar or Imam in any Mosque or madrassa can issue a fatwah – and they do so all the time – interpreting and reinterpreting what Quran, Sunnah & Hadith mean.

            Muslims MUST have the Quran debated & their beliefs challenged. It is far too open to negative but correct interpretation by those of a mind to do so. It is a complete cultural, legal & political ideology & philosophy that teaches its supremacy over unbelievers, Jews & Christians.

            Muslims invaded Europe & Christendom in the Middle and were thrown out because Islam is totally incompatible with other religions. You can see this in Muslim countries, and Muslim majority countries even now. Orher religions & aetheism are suppressed or forbidden to be preached or discussed under pain of imprisonment, or death at the hands of devout believers.

            Where does this happen with Jews & Christians these days? The Northern Irish troubles are a political battle between people who want to be Irish or British: the religion of & pro Republican & Pro-British terrorists & is a proxy for that, religious biogotry exploited by both sides over what country they should be part of.

            I have met two very nice Muslims. One a Somali man, the other my Iraqi dental hygenist. They were so nice I didn’t want to debate their religion with them. But they are not hard core Muslims.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 8, 2018

              There you are, Many/most are not, any more than all Christians are loony fundies or Gloriavale types,

              The Bible advocates some extreme actions.

            • Corky

               /  July 8, 2018

              ”Gloriavale types?

              Seems liked a productive community to me.

          • Corky

             /  July 8, 2018

            ”The number of Muslims in New Zealand according to the 2013 census is 46,149, up 28% from 36,072 in the 2006 census. New Zealand now has a number of mosques in the major centres, and two Islamic schools (Al Madinah and Zayed College for Girls).”

            Seems to me there is a rapid growth of Islam in New Zealand.

            Google.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 8, 2018

              Wakey, wakey, this is 2018.

            • Corky

               /  July 8, 2018

              Exactly. Finally the penny drops

            • Blazer

               /  July 9, 2018

              ‘Seems liked a productive community to me.’…don’t you know why the leader ‘Hopeless Christian’ went to…jail?

            • Corky

               /  July 9, 2018

              Show me a community…and I will show you a jail.

      • sorethumb

         /  July 8, 2018

        UK: What British Muslims Really Think
        https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey
        The guardian reports the same thing.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 8, 2018

          What SOME British Muslims really think.

          Is that the one where people were asked if they could understand some extremist actions, and when they said yes, were reported to have approved of these ?

          Google Famous UK Muslims for a sample of the MPs, Mayors, sports people, academics and so on who are Muslim.

          • Corky

             /  July 8, 2018

            Worldview shattered?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 8, 2018

              Don’t be so ridiculous. You are a very silly little person indeed.

              I suspect that I have a wider knowledge of the world than you have. How many countries have you visited ? How many languages are you familiar with ? How many degrees do you have ? How many people of different nationalities do you know ?

              Run away and find someone who knows as little as you do to talk t, if there is anyone. Don’t try to score points off someone who is far better read and better informed than you are, you silly little man.

            • Corky

               /  July 8, 2018

              You spend much time talking yourself up. That’s usually a sign of a shallow personality and an oversized ego.

    • -D

       /  July 8, 2018

      It is outrageous that New Zealand is falling into the anti-freespeech pit that is opening up elsewhere in the world. The interview with Lauren Southern at the time of her ban from the UK is also informative: http://davepellowe.com/why-was-lauren-southern-permanently-banned-from-the-uk/
      She has been an outspoken critic of such abuses of personal liberty and nothing more. Phil Goff and his council are to be condemned for their position. Marama Davidson likewise.

  11. FarmerPete

     /  July 8, 2018

    If threats were made they should be available to see. If they are not available to see then they are not credible. Please don’t take this as condoning such behaviour because it is not. It is just that we have got used to people getting excited over very little recently.
    In the meantime Jane Fonda will be welcomed and the two who are not alt right will be banned from council venues.

  12. sorethumb

     /  July 8, 2018

    The real issue is that by banning/ de platforming we don’t get to test hate speech. What some consider hate speech others will see as factual. For example Molyneux talks about IQ and race (populations). Whites [Europeans] come in 3rd after Ashkenazi Jews and East Asians. Australian Aboriginals come in at the retard level. Some consider this “hate speech” and assume it will lead to making pet food of them (because people on the right are evil). It is important when the Green -left go on about Australia as “Stolenweath” and suggest an Upper House in Parliament for them.

    • sorethumb

       /  July 8, 2018

      Remember also The UN set up the Alliance of Civilisations
      The United Nations Alliance of Civilizations is a United Nations initiative that aims to improve understanding and co-operative relations among nations and peoples across cultures and religions and, in the process, to help counter forces that fuel polarisation and extremism, including ‘clash of civilisations’ theories that the world is made up of mutually exclusive cultures, religions, or civilisations, historically distinct and destined for confrontation. The United Nations established the
      alliance in 2005, on the co-sponsorship of the prime ministers of Spain and Turkey.
      See further United Nations, Alliance of Civilizations (http://www.unaoc.org)
      and United Nations (2006). The Ministry of Social Development is leading the
      co-ordination of a New Zealand Plan of Action focused on the alliance’s four main
      fields of action: education, youth, migration and the media. See further Human Rights
      Commission, New Zealand Plan of Action to Support the Alliance of
      Civilisations (http://www.hrc.co.nz/hrc_new/hrc/cms/files/documents/08-Jul-2008_08-
      27-28_1378966DA_-_AOC_Plan_of_Action_final_as_at_May_2008.pdf).

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations

      • sorethumb

         /  July 8, 2018

        Why would you bother if there wasn’t a risk?

  13. sorethumb

     /  July 8, 2018