The speaking event involving Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern was quickly canned in Auckland after mayor Phil Goff decided that he not only didn’t want to listen to the two Canadians, but he also didn’t want anyone else listening to them at council owned venues.
But it looks like the Australian leg of the tour is still on – with tickets ranging between $79 and $749 – the top price for ‘a once in a lifetime opportunity to break bread at an intimate function prior to the main event that evening with not one but two of the most influential Alt Media personalities of our generation’. I’d never heard of them so don’t know how influential they are.
The tour blurb at Axiomatic Events:
“Australia is at a crossroads…”
Axiomatic is proud to bring Alt Media commentators and conservative activists STEFAN MOLYNEUX & LAUREN SOUTHERN to Australia and New Zealand in 2018 for a free speech evening of stories, opinions, inspiration and Q&A.
Stefan Molyneux is the host of Freedomain Radio, the largest and most popular philosophy show in the world, with half a billion views, downloads and book sales. He is an in-demand public speaker, best-selling author and incisive interviewer. Stefan Molyneux has hosted many public intellectuals and debates on his show, from Noam Chomsky to Jordan Peterson.
Rejecting left/right political clichés, Stefan Molyneux builds rational arguments from first principles, combining a respect for self-ownership with the morality of the non-aggression principle to build a truly peaceful vision for humanity’s future. From peaceful parenting to politics, from objective ethics to emotions, Stefan Molyneux brings the clarity and passion of philosophy to a wide variety of personal, political and social challenges.
Lauren Southern is a Canadian journalist, political activist, documentary filmmaker and best selling author. She is well known for her commentary on feminism, free speech, and immigration. Whether it’s the riots in Berkeley, Slut Walk in LA, Black Lives Matter uprising in Milwaukee, and most recently the farm murders in South Africa.
In 2015 Lauren ran as a Libertarian Party candidate in the Canadian federal election. Soon after, she was hired by Rebel Media, where she worked until March 2017. Since then, she has been working independently through her YouTube channel which has over a half million followers. Known for her fearless reporting, she tackles stories that the mainstream media refuses to cover. She is a lover of freedom and hedgehogs.
Tickets:
- $79 general admission to “hear speeches by world leading commentators and justice activists”
- $99 early admission (a few minutes early to get better seats)
- $199 meet & greet ‘strictly limited to 40 people at each event for half an hour backstage access prior to the show’
- $499 VIP meet & greet “10 people will get to spend an extra 15 minutes in the Meet & Greet, plus get a swag of personally signed, awesome merchandise”
- $749 dinner and early admission “opportunity to break bread at an intimate function prior to the main event that evening with not one but two of the most influential Alt Media personalities of our generation”
I wouldn’t be surprised if ticket sales were a factor in the quick cancellation of the Auckland event.
But if you really want to listen to them live you can book tickets for Melbourne, Perth, Adelaide, Sydney or Brisbane for later this month.
MaureenW
/ July 10, 2018Haven’t listened to Lauren Southern but Stefan Molyneux puts out some good material in my view.
What in the hell is Goff doing? Would have thought he’d have more pressing things to do that run event censorship from the Mayors office.
traveller
/ July 10, 2018As Chris Trotter says:
“Truth is not afraid of trigger-words. Truth does not need a safe space. Truth is not a snowflake”
“Do We Really Lack the Courage to Debate the Alt-Right? Do We Really Lack the Ideas to Defeat Them?”
http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2018/07/do-we-really-lack-courage-to-debate-alt.html
MaureenW
/ July 10, 2018DONATED.
I have watched quite a lot of Stefan Molyneux, never found what he has to say anything other than interesting – and across a wide variety of topics. Amongst other topics, he speaks of the islamification of Europe and the plight of white South African farmers – is there a problem with discussing these topics? Never heard anything resembling what I would call hate speech, nor inciting people to act against others – rather commentary supported with facts and data.
MaureenW
/ July 10, 2018From the … Free Speech Coalition …
Update: We have now hit the $50k initial goal, so will be proceeding with legal action! Every dollar donated will now go into the legal fund – to defend free speech in New Zealand. If we can afford it, we’ll use the extra money to hire fancy lawyers to take on the Council’s big legal guns.
Traveller
/ July 10, 2018So proud of the principled few
Corky
/ July 10, 2018There’s an organisation raising funds to take Goff to court. I will be donating as long as it isn’t through ABS.
Corky
/ July 10, 2018”I wouldn’t be surprised if ticket sales were a factor in the quick cancellation of the Auckland event.”
That’s an interesting point. If correct, God help Aotearoa. I fear the above point is correct.
sorethumb
/ July 10, 2018Russia influnced the election [the people really love the left]
Meme Wars
https://twitter.com/HaimonaGray/status/1015122963056607
Corky
/ July 10, 2018Seems like the dude has done a runner. That’s Whanau for you.
sorethumb
/ July 10, 2018Actually I wouldn’t go to see any of them. Why go when it is all on the internet. Having said that Sam Harris etc draw big crowds.
Corky
/ July 10, 2018Try ASB.
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018They’re are having to battle to find out if Southern & he can get visas to Australia. She’s not eligible for an ETA like our electronic visitors visa & has to apply for a specific type of visa. They’re supposed to be on the plane today but have had their visa applications in for 4 months and no decision has been made by Oz Immigration yet.
The visas can be declined for people who hold controversial views that might threaten public safety.
The embedded radio interview is interesting – Southern, & then her promoter, talk to a radio host & Mayor Goff & the Islamic Organisation with a petition for their visas to be refused, as well as leftists, & Goff higging Fidel, & Arafat, & allowing a Hezbollah rally to be held come up..
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/why-controversial-youtube-star-lauren-southern-was-banned-from-coming-to-australia/news-story/65862524cab3a8570a7b4eb3160daad9
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018😮 *higgng = hugging – ok?
Corky
/ July 10, 2018Thanks for that, Gezza. Miranda Devine is a favourite of mine.
Anonymous Coward
/ July 10, 2018She was declined an automatic visa here too
traveller
/ July 10, 2018She has been issued one now
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018Cool.
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018nuttin showing up on google search for me yet. where you hear dis?
traveller
/ July 10, 2018DONATED.
Even No Right Turn is in on this draconian and authoritarian travesty
https://freespeechcoalition.nz/
sorethumb
/ July 10, 2018I donated.
Corky
/ July 10, 2018Chris Trotter has truly gone down a path of no return. Not that I think he cares. Melissa Derby is a brave women. Plenty of odium waiting for her. Others are the unusual suspects.
The faculties standing out about people on this list are:
1- An ability to reason and extrapolate.
2-Passion.
3-They have actually done something.
What worries me: Where is everyone else? Well, no passion, no brain..no comprende?
Blazer
/ July 10, 2018remind me what Perigo has done’…again.
Corky
/ July 10, 2018Broadcaster. Globally renowned Libertarian. Publishes a magazine. Has been a talkback host. Political commentator when MSM pluck up the courage. Writing a book on Mario Lanza
And you, Blazer? Apart from being a window washer?
Blazer
/ July 10, 2018You are the one making a claim.Glad that CV of his impresses you.
‘ Globally renowned Libertarian.’…yeah right!
Corky
/ July 10, 2018Not being a Libertarian, what the hell would you know?
Blazer
/ July 10, 2018I know a vegeterian,egalitarian,libertarian ,librarian who keeps me up with the..play.
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018Man that’s a coincidence – me too! 👍🏼
Zedd
/ July 10, 2018Freedom of speech is one thing,
BUT ‘Hate speech’ aimed at race, religion, sex, sex preference etc. ?
The media could have ‘beat this up’. Goff must have had some clues though ??
Zedd
/ July 10, 2018Is their speech/agenda any worse than listening to MrT & cronies (all over Intl news & TWITTER) ?
sorethumb
/ July 10, 2018Wallace Chapman watched the videos of them and they “were racist”. Sometimes the truth is racist
https://vdare.com/articles/meet-australian-aborigines-who-make-african-americans-look-like-a-model-minority
https://www.edge.org/response-detail/10376
https://jordanbpeterson.com/psychology/on-the-so-called-jewish-question/
David
/ July 10, 2018“Freedom of speech is one thing,
BUT”
Freedom of speech does not have any but’s.
Corky
/ July 10, 2018Davo..you are the only commentator to get it in one. Post of the day. I was about to give the award to myself, but the usual suspects would start whining. You saved my bacon.
Blazer
/ July 10, 2018it was a close call Corky..you are runner ..up.(don’t know about your stubbies)
Corky
/ July 10, 2018Now I know why you’d support National breast argumentation screening, Blazerette.
David
/ July 10, 2018I didn’t know you had photos of me. I hope you don’t do anything….inappropriate…with it.
Gezza
/ July 10, 201825 June 2018
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018There’s wealth of 90 minute long bizarre polemics from this character of YouTube. I’ve watched a couple so far but am going to enjoy watching more of them. He describes himself as a philospher but it’s immediately obvious why he never publicly face to face debates anybody who has actually formally (or even informally) studied philosphy – or any expert in any of many of the fields his ranting polemics stagger into & out of. A philosopher he is definitely not.
I’m very familiar with the dishonest pseudo-philosophical approach to variously bizarrely defined meanings of words like “transcendent”, “existence” “objective morality” that many famous religious Christian debaters use to try & prove the existence of the Abrahamic God because they know they are fucked if they rely on the contents of the Bible for objective evidence that Jaweh or God, and even Jesus, are truly moral, for example.
He commits every sin of shoddy reasoning argument you can think of, & also employs the Gish Gallop where he throws out facts, non-facts, questionable premises, personal opinion, insults, self-praise, redefinitions of ordinary words, logical fallacies, circular reasoning & just plain sophistry the whole time – at such a phenonmenal rate, it would would take hours to just question, clarify, explain what’s wrong, & then refute them.
I can see how he would be very appealing to intellectually sub-optimal men.
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018One philosopher who critiqued a work of his described him as “intoxicated with the eloquence of his own verbosity” 😀
Blazer
/ July 10, 2018been to the same school as Shane Jones ..then.
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018Jonesy could debate this guy & win. Just because he’d miss most of what Molyneux said & refute him with more effective irrelevance.
MaureenW
/ July 10, 2018Yes, I would agree that is sometimes true – still done mind some of the topics he covers nor would I describe anything I’ve seen him do as hate speech
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018Yes, he covers topics think need an airing & open discussion too. But from what I’ve seen of him so far I’d call him devious, cult leaderish, & he certainly seems to me to be misogynistic. He deliberately employs the tactic of confusing young questioners to throw them off track, make them think they’ve done something wrong, or are stupid, & then graciously rescues them with his answer. Dodgy, imo.
MaureenW
/ July 10, 2018Haven’t seen him operate in the environment you mention – usually monologues.
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018It’s very subtle. He does it in his show call-ins.
David
/ July 10, 2018“intellectually sub-optimal men”
You made me chuckle with this one, that definition would include almost all men.
David
/ July 10, 2018Golriz Ghahraman fails to understand free speech.
Alan Wilkinson
/ July 10, 2018Unfortunately that is far from the only thing she doesn’t understand, David.
thesailor
/ July 10, 2018Quite. I commented on this in the earlier post about Bridges etc. Any restriction on Free Speech turns it into Permitted Speech, which is not free; and never for the benefit of the People. The woman is a fool, or has an agenda. Maybe both.
How about Marama Davidson trumpeting about “using our free speech” to prevent the free speech of others. It beggars belief.
This is a very serious issue. Free Speech is the absolute bedrock of a civilised society, and I could cry when I see it being hunted down and destroyed by the State Police in my old country of Britain, once the envy of the world for such a thing. We must not let it happen here. Even the slightest chink on some spurious ground of ‘hate speech’ must be fought tooth and nail, for there is only one direction in which it will continue. Better for a thousand to be upset than one be muzzled.
But it is not about people being upset, is it? It is always, at root, about the restriction of knowledge, and invariably for nefarious reasons – usually to cover up some organisation’s unpleasant agenda.
“Our gov must balance the right of right wing hate mongers against the greater interests of public safety in NZ” – which translates as: “The Government must bow to the demands of every black-shirted Liberal/Fascist mob that threatens civil disturbance whenever someone wants to say something that those who pull their strings disapprove of.”
In a civilised society the black-shirted mob would be washed into the gutters with water cannon; and anyone who wants to say something would be allowed to do so. And the Government would be hunting down those who pull their strings, not old grannies clicking on Facebook links that criticise Islam, as the UK Police spends its time doing, while savage street violence rages around them.
Blazer
/ July 10, 2018free speech is like free trade…a fantasy…
Alan Wilkinson
/ July 10, 2018You mean it is a principle, B. Like freedom itself. Not something a socialist would support.
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018Am watching the tv one documentary about four Pakistani girls who escaped from a violent father who brought them all to New Zealand to be forced to marry men they didn’t even know. It will be repeated on the Plus One channel @ 9.30 pm.
Alan Wilkinson
/ July 10, 2018Sounds a good case for separating immigrant children from their parents.
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018Pretty bad. Horrible situation for them.
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018He made sure their mum didn’t come with them.
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018Oh – he decided he was going to send them back to Pakistan to marry their cousins. They are planning to escape from him.
Gezza
/ July 10, 2018And they did. Via Shakti & with help from teachers & friends. (CYFS wasn’t any use.) One of them even made school dux. Amazing girls.
sorethumb
/ July 10, 2018What about Section 61 of the Human Rights Act?
sorethumb
/ July 10, 2018Even if true????
wooden goat
/ July 10, 2018The latest news – visas for entry to NZ and Australia have now been granted to Southern (I don’t know the situation for Molyneux).
The Free Speech Coalition has reached its target of $50k to mount a legal challenge to Goff and the Auckland City Council (surplus funds will go “into the kitty” to defend freedom of speech).
I donated $50 to the cause.
– wooden goat
Joanne
/ July 14, 2018I want to see them talk. All Goof, sorry Goff is doing is creating the Streisand Effect. The more they want to suppress something, the more people will want to hear them. Thanks Goff, best free advertising you could have given them. Didn’t know a 120 pound little blond girl could be such a threat. I know she was banned from the UK too, the powers that be know that how powerful ideas are, can’t have us thinking for ourselves now can we?
Richard West
/ July 14, 2018from the Southern Poverty Law Centre: By far the most disturbing aspect of his move to the far-right is his overt and sustained endorsement, promotion and amplification of scientific racism to his 650,000+ subscribers on YouTube, which has been delivered alongside apologism for Apartheid, the Transatlantic slave trade and the demonization of social justice leaders such as Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King, Jr. Molyneux now believes that non-white human beings (like the Pioneer Fund he singles out Hispanics and blacks) are racially and genetically inferior to whites and that this above all other factors explains the present and the past. I would not break bread with these nut jobs.