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11 July 2018

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41 Comments

  1. David

     /  July 11, 2018

    DPF comes out in support of Winston staying on as PM, a compelling argument and he has a point with what dripping wet Ardern,s response would be.

    • lurcher1948

       /  July 11, 2018

      Farrar posts something and a camp follower says yes,yes keep him on,Ardern is weak

    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 11, 2018

      Still damning with faint praise – Acting PM does something right, keep him on!

      • One’s as bad as the other.

        He seems to have no idea that it’s not a good idea to go out of his way to offend other countries.

    • NOEL

       /  July 11, 2018

      Which has the greatest risk measles or the vaccine.

      • Corky

         /  July 11, 2018

        You know something. I think ultimately getting measles is safer and offers the benefit of a strengthened immune system. Encephalitis is a deadly condition that may occur with measles. I have left the vaccination debate as zealots on both sides now control the debate and the headlines.

        • Measles can lead to pneumonia and other lung diseases, eye damage (with a risk of blindness, brain damage and death. Before vaccination came in, 500 children a year died of it in the US.

          A high per cent of children who have it end up in hospital.

          • Not to mention the fact that it actually weakens the immune system rather than strengthening it, and makes the sufferer vulnerable for years while the cells destroyed are regenerated.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  July 11, 2018

    Don Brash wants”free speech” yer right as a printing machinist i printed(The Hollow Man) in another life at Astra Print and he didn’t like it,as it exposed the dity tricks National did.

    • Corky

       /  July 11, 2018

      Er, Lurchy. Free speech allowed others to expose Nationals dastardly machinations. Brash is supporting that right for people to talk out.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 11, 2018

      I’m not much of a fan of consenting relationships that complain long after the event.

      • Blazer

         /  July 11, 2018

        doctor/patient relationships are a little different…Al.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  July 11, 2018

          Why? Do you discard all responsibility when you walk into the surgery?

          • Blazer

             /  July 11, 2018

            as you well know…there is a power imbalance and also established ethical guidelines for medical professionals regarding …patients.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 11, 2018

              There are power imbalances every day in every life. We deal with them. I don’t have much time for ethical guidelines that ignore that fact.

            • Blazer

               /  July 11, 2018

              lucky you were just a mad scientist and not a GP…then I ..guess. 😉

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 11, 2018

              Lucky for whom?

              Did you see some lunatic female Minister in Oz is proposing that it be compulsory to have a verbal request and acceptance to establish consent before sex? So a couple who just get on with it will both be committing rape. That is the kind of half-wit who writes ethical guidelines.

            • Blazer

               /  July 11, 2018

              lucky for….’peoplekind’!

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 11, 2018

              Lucky for me. Couldn’t stand working in the bureaucratic hierarchy that is the NZ health system.

    • He seems to take it very seriously, and looks as if he knows what he’s doing; he’s very sure-footed !

  3. lurcher1948

     /  July 11, 2018
    • That’s a really, really good photo. He makes it look very easy, but I suspect that this is not the case. That photo could be the poster for these events. Superb.

  4. Corky

     /  July 11, 2018

    Halfwit tries to debate with a Muslim and loses. This is how not to debate a Muslim. Notice how biased NewsHub is:

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/05/us-man-abuses-muslim-woman-receives-swift-justice.html

    • Gezza

       /  July 11, 2018

      The muslim lady here is citing Luke 19:27 of the Bible, presumably telling the man Jesus tells his followers to kill Jesus’s enemies. Except she’s wrong. He doesn’t. It’s a parable. A story meant to teach a lesson. Here’s the whole thing (from the NIV, but all versions of the Bible tell the same essential story). It’s about a rich man who tells his servants to bring his enemies & slay them in front of him.

      “The Parable of the Ten Minas
      11While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return.
      13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’
      14“But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’
      15“He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.
      16“The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’
      17“ ‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’
      18“The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’
      19“His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’
      20“Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth.
      21I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’
      22“His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow?
      23Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’
      24“Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’
      25“ ‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’
      26“He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away.
      27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’ ”

      Jesus Comes to Jerusalem as King
      28After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem.”

      So, after confusing the fuck out of everybody, Jesus then (reportedly) buggered off to Jerusalem to tell some more people more head-scratchingly odd stories that are actually imoral.

      But there are thousands of pastors & priests and believers around the world who will pick that to bits & argue that somewhere in this story, a pile of shite, is sensible, golden advice; who will change what is actually said into some mind-bendingly justified interpretation meaning that is something completely different from what it simply says – & tell their otherwise totally puzzled bible readers that this is the wonderfully illuminating word of God.

      And this is one piece of the sort of nonsense that is liberally sprayed about in all the Abrahamic holy books & scriptures. It doesn’t matter whatever the original language was, it’s still shite. It needs to be called out for what it is. In all of them.

    • lurcher1948

       /  July 11, 2018

      Do you know this racist bigotted idiot Corky???you seem upset

  5. High Flying Duck

     /  July 11, 2018

    Follow up to the Tree house issue in Dunedin. Good article.

    ……………..

    Scott Duncan is pleased the public got upset over the treehouse.

    “It is good there is a kickback on this, it would be worse if no-one cares about it.”

    And he should know.

    The father of three is also an associate professor at AUT’s School of Sport and Recreation, and advocates risky play for children.

    “Making mistakes and hurting yourself can actually be a really important learning experience for kids.”

    It is particularly important for children to learn how to manage risk on a small scale.

    “It might be just climbing a tree but that risk management stays with them, and as they get older they don’t have to test out their risk limits in cars, fighting in bars and things like that.”

    Duncan has built a backyard platform for Jamie, 9, Ollie, 7, and Sophie, 5, and it has been a family-bonding exercise.

    He recommends children build their own treehouses, or repurpose such items as tyres, tarpaulins, ropes – “things that kids can create games with”.

    “When you give them a piece of playground equipment that is for a purpose, there is no real creativity in that, but if you give them an object, like bricks or planks, and there is no purpose behind that, then their imagination kicks in.”

    And yes, the children might hurt themselves, but that is part of learning, he argues.

    ……………………………

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/105251626/the-treehouse-the-council-and-kids-being-kids

  6. lurcher1948

     /  July 11, 2018


    Caption contest…I will lead off….Workers being taken for a ride

  7. Blazer

     /  July 11, 2018

    #ewetoo meeting goes to the dogs.

  8. Gezza

     /  July 11, 2018

    Stefan Molyneux, on why you can’t be a conservative AND an atheist: