Trump protests in London – exclusive coverage

Missy has provided coverage of protests against Donald Trump in London.

There were two protests today in London against Trump, both came past my work. I thought the first was big, but the second was massive in comparison.

Video – this starts looking up Haymarket swinging around to Trafalgar Square

Taken about 5 mins later is looking towards Trafalgar Square swinging back around to look up Haymarket.

This was a much bigger protest, we watched it for almost 2 hours from our building and it was still going when I left work.

It was estimated there were about 700,000 – 750,000 people in attendance. That is huge, many of my colleagues were saying it is the biggest protest they had seen in years (for some not since the Iraq War).

I am not sure how many of you are familiar with London, but essentially all of Trafalgar Square, Charing Cross Road on the other side and the Church steps appeared to be full, also it looked like people were crowding in down Northumberland Ave on the other side of Trafalgar Square as well – and Haymarket was also fill of people. To me it looked like more people than what has been there at New Year’s!

One thing that often gets overlooked in these protests is the tremendous pressure they put on the police services.

The police forces in the UK have over the years faced tremendous cuts, they are already stretched with the increase in violent crime and then these protests come along which require a huge police presence.

I am not saying that people should not protest, indeed in a modern democracy it is their right and whether we agree or not with their protests we should always support their democratic right to do so, but also these same people should keep in mind the pressure that is put on police resources when they do organise these large scale protests.

Today’s protests were well behaved, and good natured, indeed there was almost a carnival atmosphere and the police were being open and friendly, in fact the police officer who was directing the protestors was very good natured, in each and every megaphone announcement he began with ‘good afternoon lovely to see you…’ and he finished with ‘…have a lovely day’. I don’t think there is anywhere else in the world the police would be that polite at a protest – especially when the officer in question would be working two weeks without a day off because of the protest.

Earlier in the day I was talking to the officer who was on the megaphone, he was saying today was meant to be his day off, he had just come off seven days straight (three on night shift) and was about to go on eight days straight. He also stated he had been brought in from another borough (along with a number of his colleagues) leaving his borough less protected. Despite all this, and his obvious frustration, he still managed to keep good humour and be polite and friendly, including at one point saying hello (via the megaphone) and waving to me and my colleagues on the balcony at our work. I am in awe of these men and women who do these kind of jobs (whether they be police, fire, ambulance, defence etc) that work under such incredible pressure but still manage to put forward such a positive face to the public when most of us would probably be ready to lose our cool.

Also:

  • BBC: Trump’s UK visit and protests
    On the second day of his visit to the UK, President Trump has met Prime Minister Theresa May at Chequers and the Queen at Windsor Castle. A number of protests against his visit also took place. Here are the day’s events in pictures.
  • BBC: Aerial view of London protest
    Thousands of protesters are marching through central London in protest of Donald Trump’s visit.

And: Donald Trump: US-UK trade deal ‘absolutely possible’

A US-UK trade deal “will absolutely be possible”, Donald Trump has said, after he told The Sun Theresa May’s Brexit plan could kill an agreement.

Speaking after talks at Chequers, Mr Trump said the US-UK relationship is “the highest level of special”, while Mrs May said they had discussed plans for an “ambitious” trade agreement.

As usual Trump is all over the place on trade and on his wild swings from criticism to optimism and praise.

 

 

61 Comments

  1. Missy

     /  July 14, 2018

    A couple of points I left out of my email to Pete:

    1. in the second protest it was estimated there were about 700,000 – 750,000 people in attendance. That is huge, many of my colleagues were saying it is the biggest protest hey had seen in years (for some not since the Iraq War).

    2. I am not sure how many of you are familiar with London, but essentially all of Trafalgar Square, Charing Cross Road on the other side and the Church steps appeared to be full, also it looked like people were crowding in down Northumberland Ave on the other side of Trafalgar Square as well – and Haymarket was also fill of people. To me it looked like more people than what has been there at New Year’s!

    • chrism56

       /  July 14, 2018

      I doubt the numbers in the protest were anywhere near that. If you give every person 1 square metre (allowing for steet equipment, that is crowding them in), that is more than 70 hectares of land they take up. Googler maps indicates that all of Trafalgar square ( including the statues and fenced off areas) are less than 4 hectares.
      When you read protest numbers put out by organisers, the good rule of thumb is divide by 10.

      • chrism56

         /  July 14, 2018

        Here is what 70,000 people look like down the other end of the Mall where the crowed seems to stretch all the way back to Trafalgar square
        https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44775939

        • Missy….stop tantalising me by making me remember London (cries) as it’s been years since I was there (cries again)

          I arrived in London in early January and damned near froze to death as it was -11 and I had gone from 37 to that in 24 hours. My first stop was Marks & Spence for warm tights. I couldn’t see why anyone liked London……then.

          What fun it is to go on the Tube and see all the Monopoly places.

          I have an old Valor oil stove (not used) and a tiny (soapstone ?) carved Russian lady from some Russian event/exhibition in London sits on it. She was very expensive and I remember hesitating about paying that much…..but she is a constant delight. Very tactile, fits into a hand, she is hugging her furs around her and smiling blissfully and reminds me of buying her in London as a birthday present for my old man.

          • David

             /  July 14, 2018

            I was there a couple of weeks ago and it was hot and just fantastic, couldnt live there again but its a great city to visit.

          • Missy

             /  July 14, 2018

            Kitty, London is a great city. I arrived in Winter as well, though it was 12 when I arrived, after leaving Beijing at -12 so I thought it was quite tropical.

            I work near a few of the Monopoly places (Strand, Trafalgar Square, Northumberland Ave, Whitehall, Regent St, Pall Mall, Piccadilly, Leicester Square) so it is like half a monopoly board just leaving work! 🙂

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 14, 2018

              I have owned all of them 😀

              I discovered a wizard wheeze….only buy houses, as many as you can, and do NOT swap them for hotels. The difference in rent is not that great, and as nobody can buy a hotel without buying houses….(mean snigger at the memory of the reaction when people realise that they can’t put anything on their property, no matter how much money they have)

              Also, if you are landed with the street repairs, say ‘Oh damn, pay each player …..’ and do so . Slide the card into the middle of the pack. Nobody will think that you are making it up that you have to pay out money as they might if it was a good one.

      • Missy

         /  July 14, 2018

        You are right, that was the numbers they were talking at the beginning of the protest, of course it could be 700,000 all across the UK as there were protests in other cities.

        I believe the official estimate is about 200,000.

        • chrism56

           /  July 14, 2018

          It looks like it is a lot less than that. In the Telegraph, they quote organisers who say police told them it was more than 100k, while the Guardian just says there was tens of thousands.

    • Gezza

       /  July 14, 2018

      Nice video clips, Missy. Pics alone wouldn’t have captured the feel of the scene like those.

      • Missy

         /  July 14, 2018

        Thanks.

        Nope, no photos would have captured what it was like. I was lucky we were up a few floors and removed from the chaos of the protest because I don’t think even at ground level anyone could have captured the feel of it as a whole.

  2. Missy

     /  July 14, 2018

    One thing that often gets overlooked in these protests is the tremendous pressure they put on the police services.

    The police forces in the UK have over the years faced tremendous cuts, they are already stretched with the increase in violent crime and then these protests come along which require a huge police presence.

    I am not saying that people should not protest, indeed in a modern democracy it is their right and whether we agree or not with their protests we should always support their democratic right to do so, but also these same people should keep in mind the pressure that is put on police resources when they do organise these large scale protests.

    Today’s protests were well behaved, and good natured, indeed there was almost a carnival atmosphere and the police were being open and friendly, in fact the police officer who was directing the protestors was very good natured, in each and every megaphone announcement he began with ‘good afternoon lovely to see you…’ and he finished with ‘…have a lovely day’. I don’t think there is anywhere else in the world the police would be that polite at a protest – especially when the officer in question would be working two weeks without a day off because of the protest.

    Earlier in the day I was talking to the officer who was on the megaphone, he was saying today was meant to be his day off, he had just come off seven days straight (three on night shift) and was about to go on eight days straight. He also stated he had been brought in from another borough (along with a number of his colleagues) leaving his borough less protected. Despite all this, and his obvious frustration, he still managed to keep good humour and be polite and friendly, including at one point saying hello (via the megaphone) and waving to me and my colleagues on the balcony at our work. I am in awe of these men and women who do these kind of jobs (whether they be police, fire, ambulance, defence etc) that work under such incredible pressure but still manage to put forward such a positive face to the public when most of us would probably be ready to lose our cool

    • Blazer

       /  July 14, 2018

      they have a good class of protestors in London.
      None of the riff raff you see in other protests.
      This should be mandatory for protestors…’
      ‘good afternoon lovely to see you…’ and he finished with ‘…have a lovely day’.

      The nurses here weren’t so polite.

      • Corky

         /  July 14, 2018

        ‘The nurses here weren’t so polite.’

        I can vouch for that. They went feral on me. To be fair I rarked them up. So, Blazer, do you think the Tommy Robinson protest will be large?

        • I wonder why the feral incident wasn’t reported anywhere.

          • It did sound as if they would have been there anyway for general security.

            But I wondered if it was going to be the best news ever for the local crims.

        • Blazer

           /  July 14, 2018

          didn’t know there was one.When over 1million people protested against going to war in Iraq were ignored it shows something!

        • Missy

           /  July 14, 2018

          The Tommy Robinson protest will be nowhere near as large, the last one was only a handful of people.

    • lurcher1948

       /  July 14, 2018

      From what i have read Missy your police are rubbish with no nuts

      • Missy

         /  July 14, 2018

        Then you have been reading too much Whale Oil Lurcher….

  3. David

     /  July 14, 2018

    What on earth are the idiots protesting, a democratically elected President when London plays host to Assad, Erodgan and various African Dictators and Middle East lunatics not to mention hosting the Indonesian President who is publicly flogging gays.
    I am sorry but the English look stupid and childish.

    • Missy

       /  July 14, 2018

      I can say for certain at least half weren’t carrying signs to do with Trump but rather their own domestic political agenda, essentially it was a nice summer’sbday So they got out to protest for the sake of protesting, nothing else to do obviously.

      On the plus side it provided us an afternoon of entertainment.

      • David

         /  July 14, 2018

        The Daily Mail is saying 100,000 but yes agree its the usual people who like to attend a protest and they are losing their impact.
        Its not as if Trump has actually done anything that bad or much different to his predecessors, sure his language is a bit exciting, but the office of President is not really that powerful. I just think lefties are increasingly frustrated that their version of how things should be is deeply unpopular and unworkable so they are just acting out.

        • duperez

           /  July 14, 2018

          I don’t know if the office of President is not really that powerful or not. That could be so in a traditional view of estimating specific political power in a specific sphere.

          In some senses though it surely has immense power. The endless interest and commenting in faraway spots like New Zealand show that. Not only does it generate interest but as well, heat and venom and other emotions. Is that power or people involved because of a perception of power?

          If it doesn’t have power why are so many in so many countries hanging on every word and tweet? It seems to me that so much to do with trade globally, affecting billions, is in the hands of Donald Trump. The same hands he had 10 years ago didn’t have that power. The difference is they’re now the hands of the office of President. Does that not make it a powerful office?

          • I think that they wanted Trump to know how much disliked and unwanted he is rather than having a violent protest about a particular grievance.

  4. sorethumb

     /  July 14, 2018

    Thank goodness his supporters didn’t show up

    A majority of Britons back U.S. President Donald J Trump sharing his views on Brexit and support the President meeting Queen Elizabeth II, according to a snap poll.
    More than half, 51 percent, of Britons think President Trump was right to make his views on Brexit public, according to a poll conducted by British broadcaster Sky on Friday.

    “Interestingly, older people are more likely to think Mr Trump was wrong to express his opinions on Brexit,” the broadcaster noted.
    https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/07/13/britons-back-trump-sharing-brexit-views-support-him-meeting-queen/

    • Missy

       /  July 14, 2018

      His supporters were working.

      Older people have the old fashioned view that a foreign leader should keep out of domestic politics of the UK, most don’t like EU bureaucrats expressing an opinion on Brexit.

      • Gezza

         /  July 14, 2018

        Have the Trump & Khan Baby blimps been launched yet? 😳 😀

        • Yes to the Trump.

          I can’t think why people would object to some outsider interfering in things that are none of his damned business, Missy, can you ?

  5. sorethumb

     /  July 14, 2018

    Farage: Trump Truths ‘Have Hit Establishment Like a Bombshell’ Ka Pow!
    Donald J Trump’s explosive UK tabloid interview has “hit the establishment like a bombshell”, Nigel Farage has said, remarking that the U.S. President ‘gets’ the public’s concern over mass migration.
    Speaking on Breitbart News Daily on SiriusXM on Friday, after a tabloid interview with President Trump sent shockwaves across the globalist media, Farage asserted the President “recognises and understands” why immigration has become “the number one issue across all of European politics”.

    President Trump’s remarks to The Sun provoked fury from leftist British lawmakers, who branded his distress at seeing millions of third world migrants pour into Europe “racist”, and said the President’s criticism of London Mayor Sadiq Khan’s stance on terror was “Islamophobic”.
    https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/07/13/farage-trump-truths-have-hit-establishment-bombshell/

  6. Blazer

     /  July 14, 2018

    • Corky

       /  July 14, 2018

      Cartoons.. the last bastion of attack against a President who is unstoppable. Great cartoon though.

    • lurcher1948

       /  July 14, 2018

      VERY GOOD Blazer

  7. Gezza

     /  July 14, 2018

    It’s reminding me of the American revolution a bit – but in reverse.

    To arms! To arms! The American Troll is coming! 😀

  8. NOEL

     /  July 14, 2018

    Blair had enough trouble convincing the public to come on board after 9/11. Trump should give up berating allies in public because next time there is an attack on CONUS he just might not have the support his predecessors had.

    • Corky

       /  July 14, 2018

      I think he has already burnt his bridges, Noel. There is no going back for him.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 14, 2018

      What support did his predecessors have?

    • David

       /  July 14, 2018

      So Trump berating NATO members, like Obama did, for not spending the 2% of GDP they promised/ committed to on their military defenses is him undermining the collective, weird logic Noel one would think that would strengthen/bolster the alliance.

  9. Make what you want of this, I just think it looks funny.

    • Gezza

       /  July 14, 2018

      It’s the Guardsmen I feel sorry for. They’ve all got their swords, & he’s so close, & they can’t stick ’em where they’d probably like to.

    • I saw footage of the pig-ignorant Trump walking ahead of the Queen. How shame-making for Americans to have a president so arrogant, rude and ignorant that he would barge on ahead of the Queen. One just doesn’t do this. On film that I saw, he was ignoring the Queen as he walked in front of her.

      I can’t believe that anyone, still less a world leader, would display such disrespect to a monarch !

      I am not a monarchist by any means, but this display would disgust even the most fervent republican.

      • Trump not only ignores the Queen, he bumps into her (a woman of 92 !!!) and doesn’t apologise or show any sign that he’s sorry. Or even that he’s noticed that he stepped back and walked into her. She must have good reflexes, as she managed to avoid being knocked over. I can’t see anything funny about this vulgarian showing such appalling bad manners to a woman of that age no matter who she is, A fall at her age could be very serious, and this pig just barges into her and doesn’t even apologise.

        American comments are very unfavourable indeed, and no wonder.

      • Gezza

         /  July 14, 2018

        Whatever good & bad outcomes he might eventually deliver upon the world, the man is a crass, insulting boor. If he got caught short, did a downtrou, & just crapped on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame, boot-licking, “lefty”-hating Trumpophiles would be telling everyone it was a brilliant, incisive commentary on the evil swamp of Hollywood.

        • duperez

           /  July 14, 2018

          Looks like they hid the doggies and pussies.

          • I couldn’t believe his behaviour to the Queen !!! He just ignored her. As I said, I am not a monarchist, but this would be enough to make anyone angry.

            He has a history of barging on ahead of women as if they were of so little importance that they don’t need to be acknowleged as being present. Look at his treatment of his wife and Michelle Obama ( I am not a fan of the latter, but was unimpressed at his crass behaviour to her)

            This was a disgusting display of arrogance towards a woman who is the Queen of the country he’s visiting and who is 92 years old so surely should be treated with consideration and not barged into without an apology.

            Wasn’t he briefed on the way to behave towards a Queen ? I’d love to know what she’s thinking.

            Total tangent….what a gorgeous dress Melania is wearing, and what an unflattering one Theresa May is wearing. A split skirt displaying snow white middle-aged legs does nothing for anyone

  10. Blazer

     /  July 14, 2018

    compliments JOE90 -TS…

    • Gezza

       /  July 14, 2018

      Hahahahaha 😀

      • I take it that that man is not a fan.(larfs loudly and rudely at this video)

        ? Why are his words pixillated out of the subtitles when they are not bleeped out ?

  11. How stupid is Trump ?

    He says something ON CAMERA (well, two things) and then denies having said them. ‘Fake news !’

    His boorish behaviour to the Queen didn’t go down well. Did anyone see her as she came out from behind him and made a small ‘Move over !’ gesture with her elbow at him ?

    He didn’t bother to bow, of course.

    He kept her standing waiting for nearly 15 minutes.

    He barged into her and in front of her and kept walking in front of her…

    This boorishness will not be easily forgotten,

    Nor will his telling Theresa May what she should be doing (she didn’t listen, she took no notice…what did he expect) and saying how great Boris Johnson would be as PM (what business is that of his ?)

    Nor, I suspect, will his patronising, condescending remarks to and about the PM have gone down well. She may or may not be a great PM, but his attitude was insufferably sexist in its tone.

    0/10, Trump.

    • Corky

       /  July 14, 2018

      Geez, talk about naive. Do you honestly believe anyone can be that much of a boorish prat?

      What you are seeing is called gesture. Trumpy is bringing in a new world order. America is back at No1…May and the Queen have received the hint. And Trumpy was right about May..she is a loser.

      You either get with the programme, or you get stomped. Resistance is futile. As protesters found out today.

      Here is a clip of ceremonial magic and gesture at its best. Trumpy is going about this in a different way to match different objectives. But the outcome is the same.

      • MaureenW

         /  July 14, 2018

        Giving you an uptick Corky, I happen to agree that’s exactly what he’s doing. Shock horror – he walked in front of the Queen. Queen of thieves.

      • Blazer

         /  July 14, 2018

        all done in the best possible..taste…

        • I see nothing naive about remarking that someone is a fool for denying something that is on video and pretending that it didn’t happen when the evidence is there. It is far more naive to think that people will be stupid enough to believe that it didn’t happen when it was broadcast and everyone saw it. Wakey, wakey, he said it on camera and the footage is there.You must be very naive not to realise that his own words are there for all to hear. If someone’s going to lie, they should make sure that there is no evidence to show that they are lying.

          It is unlikely that boorishness, ignorance, bullying and lying will be the new world order, no matter how much you admire these characteristics. To most people, they are unacceptable.

          Nor do I see anything admirable about barging into a 92 year old woman and then barging in front of her and masking her, no matter who this is. Or keeping the monarch waiting until you deign to finally appear. This would be disgusting rudeness to any woman of that age. It’s like people who shove past everyone else on buses, ignoring anyone who’s sent flying by them.

          You all appear to be totally ignorant of the way that people are expected to behave on these occasions. This was a state visit and people are generally expected to behave with decency and basic courtesy at the very least. It was probably too much to expect these things from Trump, but one might have hoped that he wouldn’t make himself look so pig-ignorant.

          In 1933,it was still not widely known that Hitler was what he was later known to be.. I am sure that Trump would like to be a dictator on that level, but he should remember what happened to Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot et al.

  12. Yes, I do believe that someone can be that much of a boorish prat. He has proved himself to be one many times and this is only the last in a long series.

    This is the man who laughed and agreed when his daughter was described as a piece of ass and said that disturbed young women (teenagers) were the best when it came to having sex.

    The man who showed nude photos of his own wife and compared them unfavourably with the middle-aged wife of someone else, and who used a Yiddish obscenity (does he really think that people wouldn’t know that schlonged means fucked ?) when talking about Hillary Clinton, who went on at length about how disgusting it is that women go to the toilet, who mocked someone with a disability……it goes on and on.

    If he imagines that he’s impressing people favourably with all this and showing what a big man he is, he is deluding himself.