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16 July 2018

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103 Comments

  1. sorethumb

     /  July 16, 2018

    Submission to the Federal Government’s pre-budget consultations[i]
    Frank Salter, 27 March 2016
    One cost of diversity deserving attention is the loss of civil liberties. In immigrant societies governments come under pressure to suppress “hate speech”, which can include statements of opinion and fact. In Australia Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act allows prosecution of individuals who state something “reasonably likely … to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people” based on their “race, colour or national or ethnic origin”. The Section has been used by some minorities to silence their critics. And several minority leaders combined to defeat the Abbott government’s attempt to reform Section 18C in order to continue silencing critics.[xi] Whether or not one agrees with such legislation it is evidence of ethnic conflict.
    http://socialtechnologies.com.au/australias-humanitarian-refugee-program-2016-2017/

    Y’don’t say.

  2. David

     /  July 16, 2018

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12089534

    Becoming a tight race on which minister is the doing the most damage, Curran was first out the gate and has made steady and consistent progress, Twyford is a slow boil but Clark is just a winner winner chicken dinner.
    Unless it turns out Megan Woods did a dirty cover up I am guessing Clark will be first to go and he will be pleased at that as he is never going to get on top of this portfolio..ever, and its going to destroy his future.

    • Corky

       /  July 16, 2018

      My moneys on Jonsey, David.

      • lurcher1948

         /  July 16, 2018

        My monies on Simon Bridges do the most damage to his party…Wait wait

        • Corky

           /  July 16, 2018

          Good try, Lurchy, but, yes, we are talking about the government. However, it’s Monday morning and I’m sure you haven’t had your pickles, Blue Cheese and vinegar yet.

          • Gezza

             /  July 16, 2018

            He DOES have a point though, Corks – doesn’t he? Bridges is being given a constantly replenished box of ammo – but with his robotic, whiny, expressionless, passionless faux concern-style delivery – when he comes to fire them, most of his bullets seem to be duds.

            The next few poll results will, I think, be telling. If Simon goes up in the ratings – it will say more about the electorate reacting negatively to Labour’s sins, rather than Simon’s virtues.

            • Corky

               /  July 16, 2018

              Agreed. Bridges should have been gone lone ago. As my Chiropractor likes to say about certain people: ‘They have a backroom personality.’

            • High Flying Duck

               /  July 16, 2018

              So you’ll be right about Bridges, no matter what the polls say?

            • Gezza

               /  July 16, 2018

              Yup. I reckon. 😎

            • Corky

               /  July 16, 2018

              *long*

            • Gezza

               /  July 16, 2018

              Sorry. I kept it as short as I could.

    • Gezza

       /  July 16, 2018

      Twyford is a slow boil

      Tbh, he comes across to me as more of a puerile, third-form turd with acne, rather a festering pustulence.

      • David

         /  July 16, 2018

        I say slow boil in that he is so arrogant and sure of himself that when he fails to deliver his already greatly reduced amount of housing there is so much bluster in the archives his position is untenable.

        • Blazer

           /  July 16, 2018

          Twyford can’t win with some no matter what he does.

        • Gezza

           /  July 16, 2018

          (I know, but I just enjoy mercilessly exploiting the richness of the English language vocabulary when the opportunity arises)

      • It may have seemed long to someone with a short attention span.

        I remember getting into trouble at home for calling third formers turds; my mother was not amused.

        When it comes to insult, Shakespeare does it better than anyone.

        Thou whoreson, beetle-headed flap-eared knave !

        …son and heir of a mongrel bitch.

        Aroint thee, rump-fed ronion !

        Mome, malthorse, capon, coxcomb, idiot, patch !

        Thou whoreson upright rabbit.

        I can’t remember any of the Latin curses that were written on lead and thrown into the waters at Bath, but they were very much to the point as to what the writer hoped would happen to whoever had done them wrong.

        • Gezza

           /  July 16, 2018

          Indeed. Shakers The Rude could be crude in the insults department.
          Personally I try wherever possible to keep my insults as civil as possible. 🕶

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 16, 2018

            Don’t call someone a rump-fed ronion, then, in case they know what it means.

    • Gezza

       /  July 16, 2018

      Clark, Twyford, & Curran are continuing Opposition & media fodder because they lack any ability to intelligently forsee & mitigate risks, to perceive how the naive & silly things they do will look when they get out, and how to handle public relations fallout when it happens.

      It’s not unusual for novice Ministers to cock up or do something silly that backfires, but most quickly learn from it & learn care & caution. These senior three Members of Labour’s line-up aren’t even novices, but they just don’t seem able to learn.

      The only one I can think of that consistently operates effectively is Grant Robertson.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  July 16, 2018

    Another 100 year weekly flood up north around Auckland and a earthquake in Christchurch all i can say i think Wellington is the greatest little capital city and the safest place to live in

    • Gezza

       /  July 16, 2018

      5 major fault lines & dozens of interlinked small ones capable of unleashing Kaikoura-strength earthquakes, a susceptibility to damaging gales, & the potential for a Cook Strait Canyon slide or megathrust tsunami. Keep it real, mon ami.

      • lurcher1948

         /  July 16, 2018

        Dont be dismal Gezza,that shit only happens in Auckland and Chch

          • lurcher1948

             /  July 16, 2018

            Didn’t trigger the main Wellington fault lines,and after the Wairarapa earthquake no more there for ages and I will be dead anyway,so who cares

            • Gezza

               /  July 16, 2018

              What triggered Kaikoura? Muchison? Inangahua? Christchurch? Marlborough (flattened early Welly even before the 1855 Wairarapa Fault went). When’s the next big quake going to happen? Where?

              If it’s Welly, tomorrow, you’ll be dead? Fuck that Lurchy; I’d hope to survive it.

            • Griff

               /  July 16, 2018


              Of course Auckland sits on top of an active volcanic field.
              I am in one of the safest places up here in kaipara .
              No earthquakes, No active volcanoes near, To far from the coast and to high for tsunamis and far enough inland to avoid the worst effects of tropical cyclones .

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 16, 2018

      Famous last words, Lurch.

      • lurcher1948

         /  July 16, 2018

        I have 3 dogs as a source of food,RED DONT TELL HIM,kentucky fried lurcher, with a side dish of JESS a heading dog….YUMMY,,,TULLULAR small and TOUGH as a nice evening snack

        • Red is probably telling his mates that he has a source of food, too; what used to be known as ‘long pig’.

          • lurcher1948

             /  July 16, 2018

            PAKEHA Kitty

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 16, 2018

              I remember hearing that its generic name (that form of meat, I mean) was Long Pig when I was at school 😀

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 16, 2018

              Hee ! It is called that !

  4. Corky

     /  July 16, 2018

    Folks, you heard it first from Corky on this blog re the Awanui Black story. I related how mana would be impinged and things would start to get ugly behind the scenes.

    I’m not mentioning this story again to big note. I just want to show Maoridom as a collective will never move forward when the the concepts of mana, worshiping of dead ancestors and tribalism dictate how problems will be approached…and unfortunately, not solved.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/wife-late-iwi-leader-says-one-his-victims-young-seven?auto=5809421484001

    • Gezza

       /  July 16, 2018

      I’m quite fond of you in some ways, Corks. But I have to tell you that this post is a spectacular fail, I’m afraid. The link simply doesn’t support your conclusions in any way whatsoever.

      The way forward is now for Ani to name the victims to the police, or to some trusted, reputable third party if she cannot trust the police, & for them to approach the victims & interview them to confirm what she says.

      So far all we have is her say so & her unsupressible anger at her ex-husbands flaws & claimed infidelities.

      • Corky

         /  July 16, 2018

        ”The link simply doesn’t support your conclusions in any way whatsoever.”

        ”However, friends and whānau are aghast at the situation, including Willie Te Aho, a friend of the late Awanui Black.”

        That would be putting it mildly. As I said would happen in my post of a few days ago.

        ”The way forward is now for Ani to name the victims to the police, or to some trusted, reputable third party if she cannot trust the police, ”

        Why didn’t she let Police handle it in the first place? I believe one reason for her going public was to extract utu. And my guess is Awanui’s family was a factor in her decision.

        These alleged victims need to sign an affidavit if they are brave enough. They may also face utu.

        If this situation deteriorates someone may get seriously injured. A hui may be called between Police and the families involved. Nothing will be resolved and the wound will feaster forever with bad blood between all involved.

        I have seen this situation happen many times before.

        • Gezza

           /  July 16, 2018

          Why didn’t she let Police handle it in the first place?
          She explained that, more or less, in the article quoting more details from her in the Herald the day after she posted her video.

          Yes, Some of those offended may want to retaliate. Strictly speaking, utu, in this case would mean accusing her or someone in her whanau of the same thing, or worse, as you know, being part-Maori.

          • I am sceptical of ‘paedophile rings’, but not, of course, of porn ‘rings’ which are quite different. There seems little actual evidence of the former, unlike the evidence of the latter.

            The thought of a group of perverts knowing about each other & forming a sort of club is rather far-fetched. How would they find out about each other, and what would they do about it ? The risk of being discovered would be too great, and unless they shared victims there’d be little point.

            It seems more likely that these people act alone, unlike the kiddyporn watchers who can be anonymous as they disseminate their filth.

  5. Blazer

     /  July 16, 2018

    so while nurses strike for better pay…can someone please explain how/why this is tolerated?

    ‘One in five staff at Auckland Council is earning more than $100,000 as the wages bill for the Super City blows out for the third year in a row.

    What’s more, the number of executives earning more than $200,000 has increased by 25 per cent in the past year, from 155 to 194, according to figures in the council’s 2016-2017 annual report.

    The council and its six council-controlled organisations(CCOs) employ 11,893 staff, of whom 2322 earn more than $100,000.

    Brisbane City Council – often compared to Auckland Council – employs about 8000 staff, of whom 149 earn more than A$100,000.’NZH

    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 16, 2018

      It’s a lefty mantra to build huge state institutions. The 2 biggest failing of the super city have been the lack of any decent right wing candidate standing for Mayor, and the election of two empire building socialists who speak from both sides of their mouths around cost cutting and council expansion.

      • Blazer

         /  July 16, 2018

        that doesn’t explain the obscene remuneration at all.
        The gravy train=old boy network does.
        The comparison with Qland is…telling.
        As we know the Nats touted the Super City as being efficient and costing LESS ,due to synergies and the usual b/s.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  July 16, 2018

          We’ve had 2 mayors elected who said they would cut costs and bring bureaucracy under control. Both Mayors on being elected have significantly increased the head count and the numbers of managers on big salaries.
          Goff and Brown have vigorously defended the number of spin doctors on staff – about 5 times as many as a similar sized corporate would have.
          It is them the buck stops with. If they want cuts, the cuts happen, old boys network or not.

          • Blazer

             /  July 16, 2018

            is the mayor an absolute dictator?

            • High Flying Duck

               /  July 16, 2018

              The Super City Mayor has significant powers and sets the agenda very clearly. If they want to reduce headcount and costs, it will happen.

              ……

              “However, when the Government created the Auckland super city it gave the Auckland mayor special powers and a separate budget.

              Auckland Council’s governance structure gives the mayor the power to appoint the deputy mayor and committee chairs, set council’s agenda and exercise a casting vote on all committees and the Governing Body.

              With a budget of more than $4 million and its own staff the mayor has considerable autonomy, Fletcher said.

              “It’s very difficult to challenge the mayor now,” she said.

              Part of the political clout the Auckland mayor can claim is because they are the only political leader directly elected by all Aucklanders – every individual councillor and every Member of Parliament, including the Prime Minister, is elected only by members of a council ward or electorate.”

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/83286525/just-how-powerful-is-aucklands-mayor

            • Blazer

               /  July 16, 2018

              from HFD’s link…

              ‘But most mayors are limited in the power they can wield by the need to keep on side with the councillors sitting around the civic table. A mayor is only one vote around that table.’

            • High Flying Duck

               /  July 16, 2018

              That is impressive misrepresentation of the facts Blazer – that part relates to standard Mayoral powers and comes before this bit:

              “However, when the Government created the Auckland super city it gave the Auckland mayor special powers and a separate budget.”

            • Blazer

               /  July 16, 2018

              so what exactly are these ‘special powers’?…x-ray vision!

            • High Flying Duck

               /  July 16, 2018

              If you read my post, it tells you them…let me know if you need the syllables broken down for you.

      • Gezza

         /  July 16, 2018

        I’m going with m’ man Blazer here.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  July 16, 2018

          Where are you going? Down the rabbit hole?

    • David

       /  July 16, 2018

      Its what happens when the left run things, they care not one jot for the poorer people in their communities who struggle with their rates or are the victims of overly restrictive planning and consenting rules that ramp up their rents.

      • Gezza

         /  July 16, 2018

        Yes they do. They are just struggling with finding solutions that will get them re-elected.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  July 16, 2018

          They need plausible deniability and layers of management to dissipate blame. Both of them have no real world business nous and little regard for ratepayer’s money.

          • Gezza

             /  July 16, 2018

            No argument. They have good intentions but are hopelessly thick.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  July 16, 2018

              That could be the byline of pretty much all political parties – have you thought of a career in marketing Gezz?

            • Gezza

               /  July 16, 2018

              Yes. More than once in my career. But I’ve retired early & I’m enjoying early retirement a lot more than working.

            • Gezza

               /  July 16, 2018

              Hullo, I see a wanker’s visited. 🌸 😎

            • …accompanied by his friend, Master Bates.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  July 16, 2018

    Another racist shaking white trump supporter heading towards unemployment,and why are racist white females so fat???
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5956011/White-CVS-manager-dubbed-Coupon-Carl-calls-police-black-woman-fraudulent-coupon.html

    • Gezza

       /  July 16, 2018

      Last bit – Cheeseburgers. 🍔 🍔 🍔 🍔 Trumpy has a lot to answer for.

  7. Blazer

     /  July 16, 2018

    FBU …same old gravy train for old’boy’ network..

    If there was one lesson that Sir Ralph Norris’ board was meant to learn from the disaster it was that it needed more people with experience in its core business — building materials and construction.”

    But no. The column pointed out that two new directors, Barbara Chapman and Rob McDonald, had close connections with Norris.

    Chapman had been CEO of ASB, Norris’ former bank, and McDonald was appointed Air New Zealand’s CFO in 2004 when Norris was the airline’s chief executive.

    The other new directors are lawyer Cathy Quinn and former Auckland Council chief executive Doug McKay.

    The latter currently sits on the National Australia Bank board.

    CBD added: “A great crew, the Kiwis agree, but absolutely zero construction experience between them. What gives?”

    The Aussie columnist continued with his low blows. He wrote that former CEO Mark Adamson led the board “on a merry dance until the facade on its building division (B+I) collapsed and revealed a disaster of truly epic proportions”.

    The final punch below the belt was the prediction that Fletcher Building’s next board appointment could be “Sir Ralph’s former Kiwi protege at Commonwealth Bank Ian ‘Aussie’ Narev”.-B.Gaynor NZH.

  8. lurcher1948

     /  July 16, 2018

    Life in trumps America
    https://t.co/4yXyMQeLuK

    • Gezza

       /  July 16, 2018

      A lot of law enforcement officers in the US seem to low-energy, low-IQ. YouTube & news articles shows plenty of Sheriff P Coltanes & Barney Fifes.

      • Gezza

         /  July 16, 2018

        *Coltranes. Man it’s easy for the on-screen keyboard to not register a punched letter on an FiP2!

        • When I used an Ipad, I couldn’t make it not give my email adress a capital first letter.

          How does one make it spell an email as kcat@meow.co.nz rather than Kcat@meow.co.nz ? I gave up in the end.

          • Gezza

             /  July 16, 2018

            Settings: General > Keyboard > Auto-capitalisation (tap to move slider to ‘off’.

            • Gezza

               /  July 16, 2018

              )

              Having a real problem remembering to close brackets today.

  9. lurcher1948

     /  July 16, 2018

    So another National party leader in the pocket of the communist chinese, keeping a long tradition of selling NZ out for financial favours
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/361896/nz-s-defence-strategy-risks-wrath-of-china-simon-bridges

  10. Blazer

     /  July 16, 2018

    you better break it down..its not clear to me…

    ‘With a budget of more than $4 million and its own staff the mayor has considerable autonomy’

    The mayor’s power is still constrained by the “will of the Governing Body” and Auckland’s mayor needs to act cooperatively with councillors and Council Controlled Organisation (CCOs) chief executives, he said.’

    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 16, 2018

      OK…
      Auckland Council’s governance structure gives the mayor the power to appoint the deputy mayor and committee chairs, set council’s agenda and exercise a casting vote on all committees and the Governing Body.

      So the Mayor sets the agenda, he appoints all the chairs who are then responsible for the enactment of the agenda.

      He has significant personal resources to ensure his agenda is put in place, that no-one else gets.

      Basically standing up to the mayor takes a hell of a lot of effort.

      However, all that is irrelevant when no-one has had to stand up to him because he has not tried to reduce the salaries or headcount at council, and instead has done the opposite.

      • Blazer

         /  July 16, 2018

        thank you.
        So all the overpaid council officers are self serving and believe in …never give up on…a good thing.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  July 16, 2018

          They all serve…Goff.
          That’s the bit you seem intent on missing.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 16, 2018

      The Auckland cost cutter, hard at work protecting ratepayer’s money:

      • sorethumb

         /  July 16, 2018

        I heard them discussing it on ZB?. Someone pointed out (something to the affect that) it was hard to have a meaningful icon as we are “nations” not a nation. “We are multicultural”. “Eric” in for Sainsbury was trying to argue that “we are all New Zealanders and this represents us; “this is unique” (etc). To me the Big Maori Doll is inauthentic top down culture. I believe it is social engineering just like te reo on RNZ. I have read about the commitment to biculturalism (“the politicians didn’t have to do it, but it was their good sense” -Paul Spoonley). Now that the government over rode Maori wishes on immigration they are stamping “Maori” wherever possible. At the same time there is an all out attack on Pakeha (Maori War Day – we don’t know our history etc). They want to delegitimize us; shrink us in line with their other subjects “the Chinese Community”, “the Pacifica Community” etc. I can’t prove it, just a circumstantial argument.

        • Gezza

           /  July 16, 2018

          The Brazilians have scored a massive tourist hit in Rio de Janeiro with a giant statue of a Jew. It’s just not a problem. Good luck to them. This’ll be a winner. Visitors to this country, & many, many residents, love Maori iconography because it’s unique to the land.

  11. lurcher1948

     /  July 16, 2018

    Our mayor in Wellington is no better than your mayor Goof or probably worse worse, 2 idiots who i wouldnt cross the road to spit on…not enough gunpowder in their heads to clear their noses,TROUGHERS

    • Gezza

       /  July 16, 2018

      What’s the smarmy git gone & done now?

      • lurcher1948

         /  July 16, 2018

        BEING VOTED IN, a tosser of the first water,CARS FORBIDDEN,does likes dogs either

  12. lurcher1948

     /  July 16, 2018

    The STUPID white old fat republican party is a joy to laugh at, with an orange thing embarrassing them, for the trump lovers this is how low and STUPID you have sunk…a laugh
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sacha-baron-cohen-fools-republicans-into-filming-ad-about-arming-pre-schoolers_us_5b4bb30de4b0e7c958fc5b92

  13. sorethumb

     /  July 16, 2018

    • Gezza

       /  July 16, 2018

      Have you subscribed. I think they’re probably only worth a few million now, they need all the help they can get …

      • sorethumb

         /  July 16, 2018

        Eh? You mean they earn a bit from doing this?

        • Gezza

           /  July 16, 2018

          Oh I thought it was one of hers. Hang on, I’ll have a look.

        • Gezza

           /  July 16, 2018

          Well, it possibly is. Doesn’t seem to identify the publisher and seeks subscriptions so they may have a deal.

          She’s a spunky monkey, isn’t she? Gorgeous to look at and I love the accent and the gutsy persona. I think she’s probably truncating events at Calais a bit, would be good to see some video of exactly what went down from someone other than her or her own usual cameraperson(s).

          Somewhere along the line she seems to have slipped up and got caught “admitting” to handing out “racist” material – but not in those clip excerpts in Luton.

          I actually believe she’s truly committed to the viewpoints she espouses (likely cultural and economic strife if Muslim immigration to Western countries continues at high levels, indifference to discrimination and murders of white people in SA) – but she was silly to claim Allah is a gay god, because he’s clearly not.

          So she loses her point and some of her moral high ground there, thru silliness.

          It’s not a good look that the Brit coppers are seen taking material off her because it’s “causing offence”, “might cause public disorder”, and may also cause “someone to get hurt”.

          Molyneux’s a different kettle of fish. Slippery, dishonest little blighter, he is. Lies a lot.

          • sorethumb

             /  July 16, 2018

            I think the Allah is a gay God bit was that this is reflects what someone has done in Christchiandom and she is making the point that Muslims have different standards of tolerance.

            • Gezza

               /  July 16, 2018

              Yes I know that’s the point that she’s making but she’s making it badly. In the case of Jesus there’s long been an argument that he could be gay. He had no reported girlfriend or other squeeze and he hung around throughout his recounted adult life with a bunch of mostly single guys.

              But scripturally, there’s no doubt whatsoever the Jaweh and Allah are males & homophobes. (She didn’t mention Muhummad (Rot His Soul) but it’s very clear from the Quran, Hadith & Sunnah that he’s homophobic and that he bonked like a rabbit.

              She would have been better to say Allah hates gays and Muhummad should burn in hell.. It would have still generated an intolerant reaction, but be accurate – and better prove her point.

          • sorethumb

             /  July 16, 2018

            I checked Wikipedia and I couldn’t find comirmation that she said the refugees could drown rather come to Europe as stated on Seven Sharp.

            • Gezza

               /  July 16, 2018

              No, and I would bet the house on it that she didn’t. She’s no genius but she’s definitely not a retard.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 16, 2018

              Can’t say the same for 7#.

            • Gezza

               /  July 16, 2018

              @Al, yep. It’s really vacuous now. Just a girls’ giggle fest with Jeremy Wells filling the role of the unthinking woman’s bit of crumpet. I don’t think he’ll stick it out, tbh. He looks & sounds as bored as hell.

              I’m not a Hosking fan but compared to the current pair he was Einstein.