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  1. Blazer

     /  July 18, 2018

    how..sad…

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12090625

    bad debts…’In its report, KPMG said banks saw their net interest income increase by $54m, while non-interest income decreased by $144m from the December quarter.

    This was paired with a growth in operating expenses of $16m and impaired asset expenses increasing by $122m.’

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  2. Corky

     /  July 18, 2018

    This guy shows what the human brain is capable of when it’s wired differently. He can look at a scene and then reproduce it perfectly.

    https://www.stephenwiltshire.co.uk/

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  3. Corky

     /  July 18, 2018

    Guess I was right about Trumpy and Putin needing interpreters for their meeting. However, I must question the thinking of those interpreters. If I was them I would have called in sick.

    I wonder what warnings they were given regarding the meeting? I bet they were told bluntly what would happen to them and their families should they decide to ‘ cash in’ on their knowledge.

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    • The reason for the interpreters was so obvious that anyone could see why they were there. It hardly took great powers of reasoning to work that one out.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  July 18, 2018

    Just watched POTUS#45 lie…welcome to trumps…world

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  5. Gezza

     /  July 18, 2018

    Slim pickings here for me so far today. 😕
    1018 hrs

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  6. Gezza

     /  July 18, 2018

    Debate: What is the best way to fight Islam as an ideology without fighting Muslims as people?
    Atheist Republic
    An ex-Muslim atheist who grew up in Iran as a Muslim, and a young ‘progressive’ American Muslim debate.
    … … …
    I stumbled across this video last night, & I want to strongly recommend it to anyone seriously interested in understanding what is wrong, & what is right, with Islam.

    Although I stand firmly with the now-atheist Iranian young man’s perspective & happily say “rubbish” to the young Sunni progressive Muslim guy’s attempts to justify eg the Quran allowing him to beat his wife if she’s disobedient – this is most sane, reasoned & mutually respectful exchange of views of its type I’ve ever seen on YouTube.

    It’s 1hr 40m long, so I imagine most people won’t bother, but I think for those who want to actually really understand where modern day progressive Muslims stand on the Quran & Hadith this is compelling, & hopefully for you – optimistic – viewing.

    I mostly just listened to it while doing other stuff.

    Interestingly, the young Iranian atheist says, right at the end, the biggest viewing audience they have for this online Islamic Atheist channel is … Pakistan!

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  7. Gezza

     /  July 18, 2018

    Parti

    A question for you. No agenda here. Just curious.

    Maybe we can follow it up with a reasoned, reasonable discussion either later today, or another time.

    What are all the good things about Western European Pakeha culture you can think of?

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  July 18, 2018

    Coupon Carl a white trump supporter and a fellow idiot sacked for being racists, against a female of colour, took a day for his job to end
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5961185/Two-white-CVS-managers-fired-police-report-black-woman.html

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    • He was incredibly stupid, why would anyone bother to forge a coupon for one small thing ? It wouldn’t be worth it. Definitely a case of something being more trouble than it’s worth, as should be obvious.

      I saw this a few days ago on MSN. I like the woman saying that she’s black, not African-American and that black’s not a dirty word.

      Coupon Carl must think that the police haven’t much to do.

      Someone tried to make a black man leave his own swimming pool. It was one that belonged to the block of flats where the man lived,, and was for the use of everyone who lived there. Thus the black man owned a share of the pool.

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  9. phantom snowflake

     /  July 18, 2018

    Here’s a delicious piece of mockery of Jordan Peterson by Laurie Penny; for the maybe 2 of you who might appreciate it:

    Here is my proposal: Jordan Peterson is treated with orders of magnitude more relevance than he deserves as a public intellectual, but he’s drastically under-appreciated as a novelist. He may not think of himself as a writer of experimental magic-realist fiction, but these are strange times in the literary world, too, and the man clearly makes a good living by deliberately confusing symbolism with sense. He has given the world a pathos-drenched dramatization of the inner turmoil of young men casting about for their place in the modern world like sick children marooned in the centre of a great bed, weighed down by sweaty blankets of self-deception, fumbling for the edges of reason and never finding them.
    https://longreads.com/2018/07/12/petersons-complaint/

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    • sorethumb

       /  July 18, 2018

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    • sorethumb

       /  July 18, 2018

      Idiots will believe anything; fools will believe anything that makes them feel better. Peterson’s followers are not idiots. In November 1975, the New York Review of Books published an open letter from a group of Boston scientists, educators, and students entitled “Against Sociobiology,” in which they warned about the enduring popularity of biological justifications of inequality, ideas for which there is scant evidence but huge public appetite: “The reason for the survival of these recurrent determinist theories is that they consistently tend to provide a genetic justification of the status quo and of existing privileges for certain groups according to class, race or sex.”
      …………………………………….

      While most people will agree that finding a genetic explanation for an elevated rate of disease is important, they often draw the line there. Finding genetic influences on a propensity for disease is one thing, they argue, but looking for such influences on behavior and cognition is another.

      But whether we like it or not, that line has already been crossed. A recent study led by the economist Daniel Benjamin compiled information on the number of years of education from more than 400,000 people, almost all of whom were of European ancestry. After controlling for differences in socioeconomic background, he and his colleagues identified 74 genetic variations that are over-represented in genes known to be important in neurological development, each of which is incontrovertibly more common in Europeans with more years of education than in Europeans with fewer years of education.

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      • sorethumb

         /  July 18, 2018

        He’s just sore somebody has burst his bubble – he’s been a failure as an academic.

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      • Blazer

         /  July 18, 2018

        so what camp are you in?..fool or ..idiot?

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    • David

       /  July 18, 2018

      Hey phantom snowflake have a listen to Joe Rogans podcast with Jordan Peterson and listen to the man himself, he is a leftie you might enjoy an insight into the man in his own words. Its a laugh as well as diving into all sorts of issues and you would probably enjoy it.

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  July 18, 2018

    For the trump lovers here…enjoy

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    • Corky

       /  July 18, 2018

      Until outside the stadium a Muslim suicide bomber accosted the Pope. He pulls the pin and blows the Pope up. The crowd walk out of the stadium and over what was left of the Pope, cursing as they went that their shoes were getting bloodied.

      Trumpy sniggered. That’ll teach him to kiss the feet of Muslims. Trumpy knew he had the real God on his side….$$$. And it was beautiful and good. And from his God all things flowed.😄

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  11. sorethumb

     /  July 18, 2018

    Jordan Williams
    Our lawyers have been following Mayor Goff’s public comments since we announced the campaign to defend free speech. In short, he is all over the park. One moment he is taking the credit for banning the speakers because of their views, but the next he says it was an independent decision by Auckland Live (part of the Council-owned Regional Facilities Auckland) due to safety concerns.

    It appears the Mayor has received legal advice that he is on shaky ground. He is trying to backpedal on his original reasoning and distance himself from his own tweets:

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    • lurcher1948

       /  July 18, 2018

      He didnt stop the right wing hate speech NAZIs in, it was the workers,and yes NZ has some standards

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    • phantom snowflake

       /  July 18, 2018

      Francis McRae
      ‏ @FrankMcRae
      Jul 8

      Jordan Williams: we need to stand up for white supremacist speech even if we find it repugnant.
      Also Jordan Williams: If Eleanor Catton is going to criticise the government then she should have her creative grants confiscated

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      • Gezza

         /  July 18, 2018

        I’m not picking up on the relevance of mentioning those two statements by Crybaby Williams, snowy?

        They both reinforce the same point: that he is entitled to express both those opinions, & is wide open to criticism & counter-argument from others who disagree.

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        • phantom snowflake

           /  July 18, 2018

          sorethumb’s comment was a Jordan Williams statement.

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          • Gezza

             /  July 18, 2018

            And …

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            • Gezza

               /  July 18, 2018

              I might have covered the point you are trying to get him to notice below?

            • phantom snowflake

               /  July 18, 2018

              Sorry, I’m a bit slow today. I was questioning his sincerity. (Or have I missed the point again?)

            • Gezza

               /  July 18, 2018

              I dunno. Probably if you just said that at the time there’d have been no ambiguity to discuss.
              If you are questionning sorethumb’s sincererity I class him as sincere, but sometimes a bit misguided.
              If Williams, I class him as a national embarrassment – best only listened to when he isn’t making a tit of himself & his point is worthwhile.

            • sorethumb

               /  July 18, 2018

              Phantom Snowflake you can’t win an argument by attacking motive.
              https://logfall.wordpress.com/appeal-to-motive/

      • Gezza

         /  July 18, 2018

        I think I’ve read that some days back, so not opening it again, but I repeat my point above: that anyone expressing a view that someone should be penalised for, or forbidden from, expressing a genuinely held opinion that others may dislike, should themselves be open to being freely criticised & rebutted – including for hypocrisy if it is relevant & comparable to the current issue.

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      • sorethumb

         /  July 18, 2018

        Molyneux peddles the grotesque, debunked race science of writers like Charles Murray.
        ………..

        The Left’s most rigid taboos involve the biology of race and gender, as the Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker chronicles in The Blank Slate. The book takes its title from Pinker’s term for the dogma that “any differences we see among races, ethnic groups, sexes, and individuals come not from differences in their innate constitution but from differences in their experiences.” The dogma constricts researchers’ perspective—“No biology, please, we’re social scientists”—and discourages debate, in and out of academia. Early researchers in sociobiology faced vitriolic attacks from prominent scientists like Stephen Jay Gould, who accused them of racism and sexism for studying genetic influences on behavior.

        Studying IQ has been a risky career move since the 1970s, when researchers like Arthur Jensen and Richard Herrnstein had to cancel lectures (and sometimes hire bodyguards) because of angry protesters accusing them of racism. Government funding dried up, forcing researchers in IQ and behavioral genetics to rely on private donors, who in the 1980s financed the renowned Minnesota study of twins reared apart. Leftists tried to cut off that funding in the 1990s, when the University of Delaware halted the IQ research of Linda Gottfredson and Jan Blits for two years by refusing to let them accept a foundation’s grant; the research proceeded only after an arbitrator ruled that their academic freedom had been violated.
        The Blank Slate dogma has perpetuated a liberal version of creationism: the belief that there has been no evolution in modern humans since they left their ancestral homeland in Africa some 50,000 years ago. Except for a few genetic changes in skin color and other superficial qualities, humans everywhere are supposedly alike because there hasn’t been enough time for significant differences to evolve in their brains and innate behavior. This belief was plausible when biologists assumed that evolution was a slow process, but the decoding of the human genome has disproved it, as Nicholas Wade (a former colleague of mine at the New York Times) reported in his 2015 book, A Troublesome Inheritance.

        “Human evolution has been recent, copious and regional,” writes Wade, noting that at least 8 percent of the human genome has changed since the departure from Africa. The new analysis has revealed five distinguishable races that evolved in response to regional conditions: Africans, East Asians, Caucasians, the natives of the Americas, and the peoples of Australia and Papua New Guinea. Yet social scientists go on denying the very existence of races. The American Anthropological Association declares race to be “a human invention” that is “about culture, not biology.” The American Sociological Association calls race a “social construct.” Even biologists and geneticists are afraid of the R-word. More than 100 of them sent a letter to the New York Times denouncing Wade’s book as inaccurate, yet they refused to provide any examples of his mistakes. They apparently hadn’t bothered to read the book because they accused Wade of linking racial variations to IQ scores—a link that his book specifically rejected.

        https://www.city-journal.org/html/real-war-science-14782.html

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  12. sorethumb

     /  July 18, 2018

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