Trump back flips over Russian election meddling

As is becoming common with Donald Trump, he has changed his claims substantially over Russian meddling in the US election.

Did he blunder, listen to advice and is now trying to repair the damage?

Does he simply say things to suit an audience – praising Putin in Helsinki but singing a different song in the US? He did similar in his UK visit, slamming them before the visit and then claiming things were wonderful to their faces.

Or is this another example of a deliberate shock and retreat strategy?

@ReutersPolitics:

UPDATE: Trump says Russia actions had no impact on outcome of elections, accepts U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia meddling took place.

Trump has always been obsessed with his claims he won the election on his own merits, but that clashes with the claims of Russian interference.

Trump says he meant to say in Helsinki that he saw no reason why it would not be Russia that interfered in elections.

Whoops, he said the opposite to what he meant. Again. Is this believable?

Trump says his administration will move aggressively to repel any efforts to interfere in 2018 election.

So that the Republicans can win on their own merits?

US democracy is a basket case.

Is Trump an extreme symptom, or is he a masterful opportunist?

Whatever it is, US credibility is suffering, and is at risk of democratic failure one way or another.

See “What we are living with is pre-fascism”

UPDATE: Trump has just said that when he came back to the US facing flak for his Putin/Russian meddling comments, he reviewed the transcript of what he said and now claims he meant the opposite to what he said.

But he is all over the place. He admits saying the opposite to what he now says he meant, but also blames it on the media.

 

47 Comments

  1. David

     /  July 18, 2018

    US democracy is fine and well, the problem with the US is they have too much democracy and nothing gets done.
    The fourth estate and 1st amendment are in excellent health with robust debate on all sides and a stark contrast to the media praising everything Obama ever did.
    There is a republican in the white house and as usual the elite and media lose the plot globally, happened to Reagan and the Bush,s.

    • Blazer

       /  July 18, 2018

      U.S democracy is as it has been for decades.The politicians of both stripes are owned by their corporate masters.

      • David

         /  July 18, 2018

        That is true but its only a problem when a Republican is in the WH apparently.

    • duperez

       /  July 18, 2018

      “There is a republican in the white house.”

      There is a doofus in the White House.

      On the latest situation with the big ‘clarification’ speech, a tv person asked the panel on her show, “Did the President just pee on our leg and tell us it’s raining?”

      • When I heard the original speech, it was obvious that he meant what he said from the way that he said it.

        It is difficult to imagine that he didn’t have some sort of cues or notes for such an important announcement, or that someone wouldn’t have said something so that he could have corrected himself at the time.

  2. David

     /  July 18, 2018

    If one takes a step back and stops focusing on words but look at actions and Trump has been far harsher on Russia than Obama ever was. He has slapped them with ever more harsher sanctions, he has armed Ukraine, he has got NATO to front another 40 billion towards defense against Russia (Stoltenburgs words) and more to come, he bombed Russian backed Asaad twice including killing 300 Russian mercenaries.
    So after ignoring all of that and he is keeping his election promise that he would try and get along with Putin if he could because that would be a better outcome the chattering class have lost their heads over a few words at a press conference.

    • If he meant to say “Trump says he meant to say in Helsinki that he saw no reason why it would not be Russia that interfered in elections’ as he now claims, how is that getting on with Putin?

      Even that back flipped statement doesn’t make a lot of sense.

      • David

         /  July 18, 2018

        Its a double negative and its Trump speaking we are talking about.
        But my point was that Trump has been far harsher on Russia than Obama where the rubber hits the road, Obama was all soaring rhetoric and Trump has smacked him where it hurts. Yet everyone is losing their heads over a word spoken perhaps in error.

        • duperez

           /  July 18, 2018

          Do you seriously believe that it was a word spoken in error? Given subsequent interviews and utterances and his clarification speech you actually believe that at his press conference wit Putin he did not say exactly what he intended to say?

          • David

             /  July 18, 2018

            Dont care much what he says but I do care about what he does and he has been tougher on Russia than anyone.

            • Joe Bloggs

               /  July 18, 2018

              if you truly believe that then who are we to bring up the fact that Mitch McConnell blocked Obama’s bipartisan move for sanctions?

              trump’s been as tough as fabric softener on his Russian mistress.

            • Blazer

               /  July 19, 2018

              In the presidential debates with Hillary Clinton a similar thing happened – in the recording I seem to say that if I was elected she would be in jail. But again, I meant to say ‘wouldn’t be in jail’.

              “Which she isn’t, so I was right, right?”’

        • Joe Bloggs

           /  July 18, 2018

          “perhaps a word spoken in error” – bwahahahahaha

          this is BLOTUS you’re defending, fella, the Biggest Liar of the United States.

          • David

             /  July 18, 2018

            McConnell didnt stop him arming Ukraine, McConnell didnt stop him from attacking after Obama,s red line was crossed in Syria, McConnell didnt stop Obama forcing NATO to pony up to defend themselves from Putin and McConnell didnt stop the silence that Obama greeted the announcement of the gas pipeline to Germany.
            McConnell didnt remind Obama he had an open mic on when he whispered to Medvedev that he could be more flexible after the election and McConnell didnt have the NSA listen in on Merkels phone.

            • Joe Bloggs

               /  July 18, 2018

              David, you’re on a thrashing to nil defending BLOTUS and I suspect you know that very well but are too ashamed to admit you backed the biggest loser.

              Sheesh, talk about trump derangement syndrome….. You and Alan are terminal cases.

            • A seeming double negative can be expressing a shade of meaning that an unqualified postive cannot.

              ‘Not unpleasant’ isn’t the same as pleasant.

              ‘The library doesn’t have NO good books.’ isn’t the same as ‘The library has good books.’

              And so on.

              ‘I can’t say that he didn’t do it.’ implies some doubt.

  3. George

     /  July 18, 2018

    No matter what Trump says the fake news will interpret it in the worst possible light.
    However with Twitter he can avoid them and put his message out there

    • He must know that anyone can read Twitter and see his stupid lies.

      • Don’t be silly, PDTs, Twitter is there for all to see, not just ‘followers’.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  July 18, 2018

          I never read Twitter but you don’t have to because the media report it every day

  4. sorethumb

     /  July 18, 2018

    President Honey Badger Upsets The Cold War Order (Which Included Mass Immigration). Doesn’t Care!
    https://vdare.com/articles/president-honey-badger-upsets-the-cold-war-order-which-included-mass-immigration-doesn-t-care

    I’ll have to review Trump and Russia but I think there is a fracture line between globalist and nationalist sentiments that puts trump in the Putin camp.

  5. Patzcuaro

     /  July 18, 2018
    • Zedd

       /  July 18, 2018

      David slaying Goliath ! (as I said yesterday) 😀 😀

  6. Zedd

     /  July 18, 2018

    looks like MrTs credibility.. maybe have AGAIN hit an all time LOW ?

    suck it up Corky.. he is a demagogue, not ‘a GOD’ !

  7. sorethumb

     /  July 18, 2018

    Patrick J. Buchanan: Trump Calls Off Cold War II

    Beginning his joint press conference with Vladimir Putin, President Trump declared that U.S. relations with Russia have “never been worse.”

    He then added pointedly, that just changed “about four hours ago.”

    It certainly did. With his remarks in Helsinki and at the NATO summit in Brussels, Trump has signaled a historic shift in U.S. foreign policy that may determine the future of this nation and the fate of his presidency.

    He has rejected the fundamental premises of American foreign policy since the end of the Cold War and blamed our wretched relations with Russia, not on Vladimir Putin, but squarely on the U.S. establishment.

    In a tweet prior to the meeting, Trump indicted the elites of both parties: “Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!”

    Trump thereby repudiated the records and agendas of the neocons and their liberal interventionist allies, as well as the archipelago of War Party think tanks beavering away inside the Beltway.

    https://vdare.com/articles/patrick-j-buchanan-trump-calls-off-cold-war-ii

    • David

       /  July 18, 2018

      Its refreshing to have a Republican President who is not war mongering neo con and if he is upsetting Buchanan, McCain and Graham then that is a plus for the planet.

    • sorethumb

       /  July 18, 2018

      I don’t think he’s upsetting Buchanan?

  8. duperez

     /  July 18, 2018

    This may have been posted before. A bit of light reading.

    https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

  9. High Flying Duck

     /  July 18, 2018

    A surprisingly coherent and balanced look at the Trump hysteria around Russia…well worth clicking through to read.

    ……………….

    “…Instead, in Helsinki, Trump said exactly what he always says on the subject of foreign interference in the 2016 election, to wit, Putin denies it, there was no collusion, it’s a witch hunt, and what about Hillary Clinton’s server and her 30,000 missing emails?

    What got him into hot water was repeating that mantra with Putin standing at his side.

    Career politicians would have known better. Trump only knows how to be who he is and say what he thinks, regardless of who’s standing at the other lectern.

    It was hardly “treasonous” or “impeachable,” as too many cable TV talking heads and Twitter commentators hysterically declared.

    But it was a diplomatic blunder that unfortunately will detract from an otherwise appropriate outreach designed to lower tensions between superpowers.”

    ….

    Foreign interference in our elections did not begin in 2016, but you can be forgiven if you don’t know that. The media largely yawned about it in 2008 and 2012, but there were a few isolated stories.

    In May 2013, Time magazine reported that in August 2011 the Obama campaign learned that “foreign nation-states were trying to gain access to the campaign’s databases and social media accounts with extraordinarily sophisticated means.”

    The article added that the same was true for the Romney campaign, which was “under constant attack.” The National Republican Congressional Committee was also later targeted.

    While no one would confirm which foreign powers were suspects, “one Obama campaign staffer said she was warned about the threat from China in particular.”

    The story noted that similar efforts had been detected back in 2008 when “both the Obama and McCain campaigns were the victims of a sophisticated hack, believed by law enforcement to be tied to foreign governments. . . . Viewed in hindsight, the attacks present a disturbing picture of interference in core American political functions.”

    The article – written five years ago, mind you – added, “The revelation in the days following Obama’s historic victory was largely overlooked, and it was just a taste of what was to follow.”

    Consider that last point – the hacks were “largely overlooked” in the wake of “Obama’s historic victory.” In other words, no big deal. The right candidate won in 2008.

    No special counsel needed. No more ink or airtime wasted on the subject. No sanctions suggested.

    The breadth and width of foreign interference will probably never be known, since there was no pressure for additional scrutiny, as happened in 2016.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12091110

  10. Joe Bloggs

     /  July 18, 2018

    So it emerges that Rosenberg not only gave trump a weeks advance warning of the looming Russian indictments, but it appears he also gave trump the choice of when to reveal the indictments: before or after the Putin summit on Monday in Helsinki? Trump chose before, confirming he’s a fuckwit of the highest level. Stratospheric. Really bigly…

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-17/trump-said-to-decide-russia-indictments-should-come-pre-summit

    So much for Alan Wilkinson’s frothy righty snowflake blubbering about evil lefty Mueller timing his Russian indictments to undermine BLOTUS (the Biggest Liar of the United States).

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 18, 2018

      If true Trump didn’t have a choice. If he said announce afterwards he would have faced a storm of criticism that he had let Putin off the hook. As noted before, the indictments are a political stunt that will never get to court, did not require a special prosecutor and unnecessarily reveal intel knowledge and methods. Moreover the information supporting them must have been known for several years so the timing is clearly deliberate and malevolent.

  11. Griff

     /  July 18, 2018

    His meeting with Vladimir Putin revealed the US leader to be a one-man threat to global peace and security

    The contrast presented by Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin at their Helsinki press conference was striking. One should not judge a president by appearances, but in this case the comparison was instructive. Putin, immaculate in a beautifully tailored dark blue suit, looked sharp, cool and in control. Trump looked baggy, crumpled and out of his depth – at once baffled and sulky. This mismatch was the equivalent, in post-World Cup terms, of France v Corinthian-Casuals.
    …..
    Admirers call him an anti-establishment “disrupter-in-chief”, when in reality the overriding, relentless purpose of his actions is to draw maximum attention to himself. Trump only knows what he does not like and wants to destroy. For example, he does not like strong and experienced democratically elected leaders such as Germany’s Angela Merkel because, in his infinite insecurity, they threaten his sense of pre-eminence and legitimacy.
    ……..
    Looking more closely at Trump’s performance on the Helsinki podium, it appears, deep down, he was frightened: frightened of making mistakes, of being “ripped off”, of being exposed as a charlatan, and of being proved to have stolen the 2016 election. For him the summit was not about Syria, or Crimea or Salisbury (though these subjects were discussed and who knows what he may have privately conceded). It all was about his personal standing at home, in the world, and in his own eyes. America came last.
    Republicans have decided to follow Trump off a cliff of treachery
    ….
    The real Trump problem is not transatlantic. It is America’s to deal with. By now, Europeans have mostly rumbled him. But far too many Americans still don’t get it. Having long proclaimed the superiority of the US governance model, it transpires Congress is unable or unwilling to hold him in check. The unbalanced supreme court, soon to embrace another arch-conservative, is no defence against White House abuse of executive orders, and parti pris American media cannot be relied upon to tell truth to power. Rogue Trump is a crisis made in America. America is where it must be fixed. The world is watching, with diminishing sympathy.

    The entire piece is worth reading for those not blindly in love with Trump.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/17/donald-trump-rogue-president-vladimir-putin-us-peace

    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 19, 2018

      Just the excerpts you posted show a deranged and blinkered view. Why bother with the rest?

  12. Blazer

     /  July 18, 2018

    • Gezza

       /  July 18, 2018

      Putin’s puny sizewise in comparison to lardarse in reality. They might be being metaphorical but that’d work better if their sizes were more accurate. 1ewes showed a short clip of him back-flipping to the Press in that White House Cabinet Room, when the lights went off in the middle of it. He was having to read out exactly what words to use to explain that he mis-spoke.

      He looked completely beaten down & embarrassed – nobody believed it: including me. Forced to read so few words off a script & still then stupidly say “but there was no collusion” just completed the picture of how ludicrous he’s been.

      And the cameras showed, scrawled in big black, oversized letters in his usual marker pen over the corner of a page “say no collusion”. Time someone checked this guy’s memory faculties I think.

      What the hell is happening with his hair? It looked stiff as a board & plastered on. This one’s a massive own goal for the Trumpster.

      • Blazer

         /  July 18, 2018

        wow..talk about indepth ..analysis…cartoons=exaggeration,hyperbole,metaphorical..but ultimately the message should be..so simple that ..in depth analysis is not..required.

        • Gezza

           /  July 18, 2018

          Sorry. I’m a cartoonist myself. Or I was. Don’t do any these days. I like to analyse them as well as enjoy their humour. Personally, I find them some of them the best, most succinct, most perceptive forms of political commentary around.

      • Griff

         /  July 18, 2018

        His statement was obviously bullshite.
        Trump looked deflated and frightened at the Putin press conference and his during his retraction.
        Alan Dave and the other Trumpies should watch their hero expose his feet of clay .

        Tick tick tick tick .
        Hope it gets defused before it all goes Kaboom.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  July 18, 2018

        The clip in this didn’t give those impressions. Yes, he was reading a prepared script no doubt to get the exact wording correct. You may not believe him. Seems to me his normal sentence structure is so chaotic that it would be easy for him to lose track of his negatives if he was tired and a bit distracted.

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/17/trump-addresses-summit-criticism/790354002/

        • Gezza

           /  July 18, 2018

          It’s very nice of you to stick up for him Al. He needs a lot of support at this very difficult time.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  July 19, 2018

            You know I’m a nice guy, G. But I figure he will muddle through somehow anyway.

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