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19 July 2018

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  1. David

     /  July 19, 2018

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/105572089/treasury-urged-government-to-delay-creating-jim-bolgerled-working-group

    This is quite funny, basically treasury and MBIE are pointing out that the government hasnt even thought any further than a headline and expecting a bunch of over compensated friends of Labour to re design our industrial relations legislation…chaired by a very old yesterdays man is beyond dumb.
    They also point out the direction the government is heading in will probably do more harm than good. This rabble just arnt fit to govern and everyday it becomes more obvious they are there by accident and still dont know what to do. Thank god for Winston and having a grown up in charge and I never thought I would say that.

    • lurcher1948

       /  July 19, 2018

      8.4 years to go,thanks Winston Peters for the opportunity for a change of tack in NZ

      • Gezza

         /  July 19, 2018

        Don’t you mean: “Thanks Winston for constant changes of tack, sailing in circles, losing your compass, sidelining the Captain, & thanks for all the fish”?

        • lurcher1948

           /  July 19, 2018

          Miss Sir Key don’t you

          • Gezza

             /  July 19, 2018

            Sir John The Sellout? Air AllBlacks most expensive golfer? Nope.

    • Blazer

       /  July 19, 2018

      can’t rely on Treasury or MBIE …remember….as for…’chaired by a very old yesterdays man is beyond dumb.’….charge=’Ageism’-tut tut,especially when referring to former National stalwart and P.M Jim Bolger!
      Shame on…you.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  July 19, 2018

        Labour 2020 – “Let’s get someone else to do this!”

        “Treasury said more work developing the policy needed to be done before the working group’s formation, with the risk that the “significant” policy shift could harm workers if mishandled.

        “Fair Pay Agreements could make substantial structural changes to the labour market…misapplication of the policy could have large negative effects on productivity, worker terms and conditions, and employment.”

        Treasury noted that the work which had been done at that point “has not identified an occupation or industry in which the proposed system would address wage or productivity issues” and that the Bolger-led working group was being asked to answer “foundational policy design questions” on the agreements.

        “Given the significance of the proposal, we recommend extending the departmental policy development process to enable further analysis of the causes of the wage and productivity concerns identified in the paper, options to address those concerns, and the conditions for the success of industry-level bargaining.”

        • Blazer

           /  July 19, 2018

          I do not favour them stealing National policy so flagrantly…=’kick the can down the road..for someone else to worry about’.
          If they can get over the line again…we all win.

          • PartisanZ

             /  July 19, 2018

            I liken the situation to having an airliner stuck on auto-pilot circling the airport …

            What can actually be done?

            How do we even refuel it?

    • Blazer

       /  July 19, 2018

      doesn’t he know…’neigh’ means….neigh!

      • Poor horse !

        I wish that the old punishment of being pulled to pieces by four horses (each arm and leg was attached firmly to a horse, and the horses were ordered to run in different directions) could come back in for sickos like that.

  2. Corky

     /  July 19, 2018

    Observations with Corky:

    The first lady of the USA can’t dress. From an inappropriate jacket with graffiti on the back, to her latest blunder, stepping off AF1 with trousers that contorted around her crotch.

    • Observation about Corky:

      Grubby person who looks at a woman’s crotch and makes remarks about it.

      • Corky

         /  July 19, 2018

        Replying to Kitty.

        Like food on the corner of someones mouth, it was hard to miss. The grubby mind is yours.
        I made a simple observation regarding clothing.

        You are a prat.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 19, 2018

          Do try to find some other word.

          You mention that someone’s trousers are ‘contorted’ ( did you mean bunched up ?) around their crotch. This means that you were looking at their crotch, a rather distasteful thing to do, and felt the need to report that you had done so.

          If you must look at women’s genital areas and comment on them, you must be prepared for people to tell you that this is dirty old man behaviour.

          Why mention it and then object to being told that you are grubby-minded for doing so ?

    • Blazer

       /  July 19, 2018

      tell him to watch his step..he may devalue the home his hero has there.

      • How impressive, Mike Hosking has been to Hawaii.

        So have I, so have many people.

        I don’t suppose that they give a stuff about what that prat thinks.

        • Corky

           /  July 19, 2018

          Temper Temper.

          ”How impressive, Mike Hosking has been to Hawaii.

          So have I, so have many people.”

          What has that prattish remark got to do with tourism..the topic of Mikey’s comments?

          • Don’t try to be clever by parroting other people’s words, it sounds silly and childish.

            Mike Hosking was talking about Hawaii in the aricle, or have you forgotten this ? Reread your own post if you don’t know what I am talking about. I was expressing boredom (as would be obvious to anyone but you) and pointing out that his being there isn’t that fascinating, especially to those of us who have also been there.

            Were we supposed to admire the fact that he has travelled to Hawaii and now thinks himself an expert on the place ?

            It’s a very common holiday destination, nobody’s likely to be impressed by his comments.

            • Corky

               /  July 19, 2018

              Please don’t obfuscate. It’s as obvious as Labours 2020 election chances.

            • I suppose that you imagine that that means something.

  3. High Flying Duck

     /  July 19, 2018

  4. Blazer

     /  July 19, 2018

    the intern story is a pisstake ,contrived to provoke.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 19, 2018

      Seriously?

      • Gezza

         /  July 19, 2018

        Yes I think it is. If it’s in the “lifestyle” section it’s usually vacuous.

  5. Corky

     /  July 19, 2018

    Folks know I’m a fan of the American way. This is why. The hoser cop in this clip fired through his windscreen and leaded the driver and his passenger. No mucking around.
    That the bullet could have rebounded back on the cop didn’t stop him handing out instant justice.

    Could you imagine if this incident happened in New Zealand? The cops would have to stop their car, retrieve their firearms, ask for permission, stick to the speed limit and make sure they had a cultural adviser to administer karakia before a suspect of Maori descent was shot.

    The American way is best.

    • Blazer

       /  July 19, 2018

      try the clip on media watch..

      • Corky

         /  July 19, 2018

        Sounds like a typical liberal setup to me. That guy should be leaded for not understanding how the Lefties work. Terrible.

        • Gezza

           /  July 19, 2018

          I saw this clip on Aljaz tv. The thing I noticed was that perps were firing an automatic at him. Lucky no one else was hurt in that wild chase & gunfight.

    • lurcher1948

       /  July 19, 2018

      As some people know i don’t always like the American police who shoot you for a blown light bulb, and im SO PROUD our police are not like the feral death bringing racist American police who beat you untell they notice the cameras filming them

      • Corky

         /  July 19, 2018

        Seen the news tonight, Lurchy? Our police couldn’t even get a simple raid right, let alone give a suspect a good thrashing like King receive from those cops above. And as for shooting suspects from a moving car…lol!

        Meanwhile another dairy owner takes his lumps like a good Kiwi. His wife wants to return to China. What the hell does that tell you?

        From the clip I’ve seen it would be a safe bet the dairy owner, if armed, would have leaded two offenders from a simple hip draw.

        Still, we can’t have citizens defending themselves. They may hurt someone who needs rehabilitation.

        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/hamilton-dairy-owners-held-up-knifepoint-consider-returning-china-after-second-robbery-year-its-not-safe

      • Lurch, I think that Cork thinks that people are much more interested in his stupid, bigoted views than they really are and that we really want to know how he admires those who shoot first and ask questions afterwards. I am also glad that our police aren’t so stupid that they endanger other people by shooting through a car window and potentially causing a fatal crash as the people in the car went off the road. I am glad that carrying a book or a video isn’t a capital offence in NZ with people who do this being shot by trigger-happy Rambo cops. A teenager runs away from a cop, probably knowing that he’ll be shot whether he runs or stays.

        The killer cops that Corky admires so much kill children, innocent family men and people who reach for their driver’s license when they’re asked to do so. No wonder people flee them.The ones in this video may have been guilty or may not have been. The cops appointed themselves judge, jury and executioner.

        A young Australian woman was shot dead by one of Cork’s heroes when she came out to tell the police about a crime.

        To Corky, that is ‘justice’. To the rest of us, it’s called murder.

        I wonder why he doesn’t go and live in the US if he admires it so much.

        • Corky

           /  July 19, 2018

          ‘Lurch, I think that Cork thinks that people are much more interested in his stupid, bigoted views than they really are’

          No, I don’t think that. This is a blog. I don’t care what you or anyone else thinks. In fact you would be one of my few fans.

          Anyway, are you, an apologist for our weak justice system, going to apologise on behalf of New Zealand to the latest dairy robbery victims?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 19, 2018

            Still misusing that old cliche.

            Don’t flatter yourself that I am one of your few fans.

            And do not try to put words in people’s mouths, it’s stupid and an attempt to be provocative.

            • Corky

               /  July 19, 2018

              That’s a ‘no’ then.

            • Do you not understand what is meant by ‘putting words in someone’s mouth ?’

              It means trying to make it seem as if they have said or thought something that they have NOT said or thought. In other words, trying to be misleading.

              If you attribute words and thoughts that are a complete falsehood to someone else, and say so, that is called lying.

              If you do it in such an obvious way, it’s still a lie, but as nobody will believe it, this will make you look like a lying fool as you have done before when you invented things about me.

  6. Corky

     /  July 19, 2018

    Caught the end of a news item about racial tension in our hospitals. Apparently some patients are refusing to be nursed by immigrants.

    I’m racist in hospital, too. I find some Maori visitors obnoxious. Unchecked nosy kids. Loud laughter and talking. Surly attitude towards medical staff and bloody all round ungratefulness.

    • lurcher1948

       /  July 19, 2018

      You are on fire today Corky,the downticks are overwhelming

      • Corky

         /  July 19, 2018

        I thought only Gezza and Kitty worried about ticks. Of course Zedd% has to pay for his.
        Get over ticks, son. No good can come from fixating on nothing.

        • Gezza

           /  July 19, 2018

          I don’t worry about ticks. I’ve come to think of them as your friends.

      • If Cork really is half-Maori, he must be talking about himself and his rellies here, which is pretty strange even for him. Most racists are racist about other people, not themselves.

        • Downticks from some people are a compliment. .

          But I do wonder what sort of person downticks the idea that kiddyporn is revolting and inexcusable, as several did recently.

          • Corky

             /  July 19, 2018

            Haven’t you got a dictionary to read?😃

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 19, 2018

              Haven’t you ? You need one.

            • Corky

               /  July 19, 2018

              I was asking you. If you were reading your dictionary you wouldn’t be here boring me. Hence me asking about the status of your dictionary. I have a big ole blue coloured Oxford dictionary at home. You can have it for free if it will keep you occupied.

            • Gezza

               /  July 19, 2018

              How can Kitty be biring you when you always seem happy to chat to her for hours?

            • Gezza

               /  July 19, 2018

              * boring, according to my dictionary 🤔

            • Corky

               /  July 19, 2018

              Because I want to plumb the depths of her psychosis. Her convoluted prose and logic is fascinating. As you have noticed, I can only take so much and must withdraw from the experience sometimes.

        • Griff

           /  July 19, 2018

          Corky up ticks his own comments ……
          Not quite as sad as redbaiter who was caught using multiple accounts so he could do it many of times .

          • Gezza

             /  July 19, 2018

            I only ever uptick my own comments if nobody else will. And even then, only if I actually agree with what I’ve just said.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 20, 2018

            NOOO !!! I don’t BE-LIEVE it, as Victor on One Foot in the Grave used to say….

            The SPCA did well out of him, as so many people wanted the actor (Richard Wilson ?) to say it when they met him that he began charging a tenner for it, which went to his favourite charity, the SPCA,

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 20, 2018

            I have wondered if there was a PDT who had five accounts….or had found some way to multi-tick.

  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  July 19, 2018

    Scientists discover that respect for individual rights leads to prosperity and religion fails both.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religion-economic-development-wealth-gdp-bristol-university-a8453386.html

    • PartisanZ

       /  July 19, 2018

      Interesting article Alan …

      It’s a fairly big assumption, don’t you think, that economic growth or ‘economic prosperity’ is necessarily better and the equivalent of success?

      “This suggested that tolerance is the ultimate driver of success for a society, an outcome that makes sense considering its economic benefits.”

      That’s what I’d call a fiscalinear* statement … almost devoid of logic and completely devoid of ethics …

      Tolerance of what? Individual rights … by which Righties inevitably mean “individual property rights” … and like the right to be obscenely rich off of the backs of others in a society or world where others might be obscenely poor or even starve to death …

      * fiscalinear = new word # 162 or 163 (I think)

  8. Corky

     /  July 19, 2018

    Someone once asked me how Righties relax. Well, I like inspirational material to fire my imagination. Like this clip from the late great George Carlin. Entitled ” People who ought to be killed” George was no doubt a liberal…but he had a Righties heart.

    Warning- foul language and a reality check for some folk who may recognise themselves among some of the characters mentioned by George.

    • Griff

       /  July 19, 2018

      “Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of ’em are stupider than that.”
      “If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you’re going to have selfish, ignorant leaders.”
      “In America, anyone can become president. That’s the problem.”

      George Carlin on stupid people.

    • Gezza

       /  July 19, 2018

      I like George in a lot of ways but one of the things that tempers my regard for him is that he loved himself for, & is famous for, “breaking the taboos” & using as many crude swear words in public & on tv as possible. I’m not a prude by any means, but I don’t admire anyone for lowering the bar for children, particularly in a society like Americas’s, where that low bar then becomes the norm, & it’s such a highly competitive environment everyone just starts competing to go even lower.

  9. PartisanZ

     /  July 19, 2018

    I’m surprised this wasn’t a topic on here today …

    Matthew Hooton: ‘Communism by stealth’ is here – NZHeraldo

    Posted: https://yournz.org/2018/07/19/hooton-communism-by-stealth-or-corporate-capitalist-welfare-by-design/