“People at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki”

A typically bizarre claim about his Helsinki press conference and more claims in conflict with US Intelligence are features of the aftermath of the Donald Trump statements and ‘clarifications’ about Russian interference in US elections.

By Rainer Hachfeld / Neues Deutschland, Germany

Most of the immediate reaction was shock and derision. Even close support Newt Gingrich was critical, saying the comments were the “most serious mistake of his presidency”.

Trump’s attempt at clarification just muddied things more, as did subsequent statements.

What Trump actually said at the Helsinki press conference (transcript posted by the White House):

With that being said, all I can do is ask the question.  My people came to me — Dan Coats came to me and some others — they said they think it’s Russia.  I have President Putin; he just said it’s not Russia.

I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be, but I really do want to see the server.  But I have — I have confidence in both parties.

A day later back in the US Trump said (transcript):

So I’ll begin by stating that I have full faith and support for America’s great intelligence agencies. Always have. And I have felt very strongly that, while Russia’s actions had no impact at all on the outcome of the election, let me be totally clear in saying that — and I’ve said this many times — I accept our intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election took place. Could be other people also; there’s a lot of people out there.

So he says he accepts his intelligence community’s conclusion of Russia’s meddling, but then immediately muddies that.

There was no collusion at all. And people have seen that, and they’ve seen that strongly. The House has already come out very strongly on that. A lot of people have come out strongly on that.

On that perhaps the man doth protest too much.

I thought that I made myself very clear by having just reviewed the transcript. Now, I have to say, I came back, and I said, “What is going on? What’s the big deal?” So I got a transcript. I reviewed it. I actually went out and reviewed a clip of an answer that I gave, and I realized that there is need for some clarification.

It should have been obvious — I thought it would be obvious — but I would like to clarify, just in case it wasn’t.

It was not obvious to just about everyone, even his strongest supporters, that he meant the opposite to what he said.

In a key sentence in my remarks, I said the word “would” instead of “wouldn’t.” The sentence should have been: I don’t see any reason why I wouldn’t — or why it wouldn’t be Russia. So just to repeat it, I said the word “would” instead of “wouldn’t.”

And the sentence should have been — and I thought it would be maybe a little bit unclear on the transcript or unclear on the actual video — the sentence should have been: I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia. Sort of a double negative.

So you can put that in, and I think that probably clarifies things pretty good by itself.

So he now claims black was white. This switch from “would” to “wouldn’t” doesn’t fit with what he said in Helsinki. This is what he claims he meant to say:

‘With that being said, all I can do is ask the question.  My people came to me — Dan Coats came to me and some others — they said they think it’s Russia.  I have President Putin; he just said it’s not Russia.

‘I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be, but I really do want to see the server.  But I have — I have confidence in both parties.’

Would/wouldn’t could become an often repeated confusion marking Trump’s presidency, similar to Winston Peters’ No sign (or was it a yes sign?).

And Trumps contradictions haven’t ended there. Reuters: Trump says Russia is no longer targeting U.S.

President Donald Trump said on Wednesday he does not believe Russia is still targeting the United States, contradicting U.S. intelligence assessments that Moscow was continuing its attempts to meddle in American elections.

Trump on Tuesday tried to walk back comments that he believed Russian President Vladimir Putin over American intelligence chiefs on Russian interference in the 2016 election, saying that he had misspoken a day earlier after a summit meeting with Putin in Helsinki.

Asked by reporters on Wednesday if Russia was still targeting the United States, Trump shook his head and said, “No.”

U.S. intelligence officials have said Russian election interference efforts are continuing and now target the upcoming congressional elections in November.

NY Times: Russia Is No Longer Targeting the U.S., Trump Says, Contradicting His Own Intelligence Director

Mr. Trump’s comments were the latest in a dizzying collection of conflicting statements from Mr. Trump since he emerged from a private meeting with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia on Monday in Helsinki, Finland. And they directly contradict assertions from Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, who has repeatedly said that Russia continues to try to interfere with American democracy.

Who of those people at the higher ends of intelligence wouldn’t have loved his press conference performance in Helsinki and afterwards?

I think you’d have to be an idiot to take anything he says seriously, especially single statements, given how much his stories change.

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Who would know who is the most deranged in the US? Or is that wouldn’t?

97 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  July 19, 2018

    An idiot is in charge of the United States.

    • Grimm

       /  July 19, 2018

      Dunno, he seems to have what it takes to go all the way.

      • Zedd

         /  July 19, 2018

        @grimm
        ‘he seems to have what it takes to go all the way.’

        to where ? Hell or Prison ?? :/ 😀

  2. Blazer

     /  July 19, 2018

    best show in town…and a pretty fair reflection of the West at this time in history.

  3. Griff

     /  July 19, 2018

    • Well, Trump himself talks about Trump Derangement Syndrome. and if he says it of himself, it must be true.

  4. And according to this Sarah Sanders has again been contradicted by Trump after trying to explain and dfend his flip flopping.

    During her briefing just hours after the incident Sanders strove to clarify the typically confusing sequence.

    “He was saying ‘no’ to answering questions,” she explained. “He does believe that they [Russia] would target US elections again. That’s why we are taking steps to ensure this does not happen.”

    https://www.rt.com/usa/433640-trump-no-russia-clarification/

    Not long after this:

    Asked by reporters on Wednesday if Russia was still targeting the United States, Trump shook his head and said, “No.”

    • David

       /  July 19, 2018

      Hi full quote was “No I am not answering any questions” as a general comment directed at the media scrum.

      • MaureenW

         /  July 19, 2018

        Yes they are all quite looney – take Trump out of context – and presto a new anti-Trump headline.
        What I do notice though, Trump is the headline, everywhere, everyday. The media can’t get enough of him, can’t stop talking about him – 24 hours, wall-to-wall Trump.

        How’s that Democrat front-runner coming along?

      • artcroft

         /  July 19, 2018

        Trump will need to review the tape and check with Putin before we can be sure what he meant, if in deed he meant anything.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  July 19, 2018

        That’s a lie David and here’s the footage that confirms trump actually answered: “Thank you very much. No.” after being asked “Is Russia still targeting the US, Mt President?”

        It takes place between the first 5-8 seconds.

  5. sorethumb

     /  July 19, 2018

    Down with Trump!

  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  July 19, 2018

    Another day, another furore over a word or two from the thousands politicians emit every day.

    • Blazer

       /  July 19, 2018

      you’re lucky Al…its you he’s referring..to!Bol.

    • Griff

       /  July 19, 2018

      “”The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.
      —Richard Feynman

      Willful ignorance is sometimes referred to as tactical stupidity.

      Depending on the nature and strength of an individual’s pre-existing beliefs, willful ignorance can manifest itself in different ways. The practice can entail completely disregarding established facts, evidence and/or reasonable opinions if they fail to meet one’s expectations. Often the willfully ignorant will make excuses, claiming that a source is unreliable, suggesting that an experiment was flawed or asserting that an opinion is too biased. More often than not this is simple circular reasoning: “I cannot agree with that source because it is untrustworthy because it disagrees with me”.

      https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Willful_ignorance

    • Gezza

       /  July 19, 2018

      Hard job for you to put lipstick on the pig this time & sell the idea its droppings are gold Al.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  July 19, 2018

        I’ve always said ignore the words and watch the deeds, G.

        • Gezza

           /  July 19, 2018

          Everybody’s watching the deeds Al. Putin’s obviously after them.

          And that’s easy for you to say. You haven’t got an irate email from the International Federation Of Idiots accusing me of defaming them & demanding a retraction, like I just did.

      • Griff

         /  July 19, 2018

    • Lest we forget the great appeasers and forked tongue one….

      • High Flying Duck

         /  July 19, 2018

        Obama also failed to take Russia to task for the invasion of Georgia when he met with Putin – he said it would be counterproductive to do so while trying to reset the relationship.

        I guess if you have a way with words and a winning smile you can do these things without the US media deciding the world has ended.

        • Those with TDS are sinking deeper into their illness

          • Patzcuaro

             /  July 19, 2018

            I’m not sure that that is the case, looks more like the virus is spreading and while not fatal, a cure is currently 2 years away. It is possible a cure may be found sooner but I think that that is a long shot but anything is possible due to the volatility of the source of the disease.

            In the meantime those suffering will have to soldier on while those unaffected will live on in some alternative reality, there numbers reducing as more become infected.

        • Blazer

           /  July 19, 2018

          a bit of ‘whataboutry’ in your arsenal ,along with ‘plausible deniability’ there Duck.
          You could be in PR!
          Many years ago I ventured to Malcolm of Baldwin Boyle that he was a ‘paid’ liar…his lethal riposte…’WELL’ paid..liar.

          • I knew Malcolm quite well blazer….lovely guy

            • Blazer

               /  July 19, 2018

              sure was…’Midge’ to old friends.

          • High Flying Duck

             /  July 19, 2018

            Trump is a very amusing show – the best in town (wherever he is).
            He can barely string a sentence together and seemingly is incapable of using words beyond 2 syllables without stumbling.
            But he’s not wrong that the sanctions and policies his government have enacted are far tougher on Russia than his predecessor was.
            And the main point is that media coverage of very similar actions have been poles apart.
            I’m actually with Al – if you ignore the tweets & blather, he is performing very well for his base. I still pick him to be re-elected at this stage.
            Oh, and kudos for stating the obvious to Mr Boyle. PR is not known for it’s adherence to truth and balance.

            • Corky

               /  July 19, 2018

              ”He can barely string a sentence together and seemingly is incapable of using words beyond 2 syllables without stumbling.”

              That’s the thing people don’t understand. They equate high intelligence with academic nous. That isn’t always the case.

              Some people are as thick as pig shite. Yet they have a genius for one given endeavour.

            • Blazer

               /  July 19, 2018

              Trump is easily the worlds foremost exponent of Hanlon’s razor.

              I see you have a high opinion of…PR.

            • MaureenW

               /  July 19, 2018

              Did you watch the primary debates? Did you watch the Presidential Debates? Did you watch Trump’s monologue from the Al Smith Charity Dinner?
              Clearly Trump not only resonates with his base, but also his opposition because they never stop talking about him.

            • Gezza

               /  July 19, 2018

              He actually reverberates, with everyone, because he never stops talking about himself.

        • Patzcuaro

           /  July 19, 2018

          @HFD one thing you can’t accuse Trump of is having a way with words except that he keeps tripping over them.

          • Patzcuaro

             /  July 19, 2018

            I see you agree

            • High Flying Duck

               /  July 19, 2018

              Trump doesn’t have many words – just the best words. I think the biggest word he’s used so far is “Yuuuuuuuuuuuge!”

            • Gezza

               /  July 19, 2018

              The best thing Trump has got going for him is the Democrats having no clear anti-Trump candidate who can take control of the Party & give it a focus and a clear policy platform. The best thing the Democrats would then have going for them would be Trump’s incoherence.

              I think he’s odds on to be re-elected but the Congressional elections will probably give us the best indication of whether that’s so or still up in the air.

              If I was an American voter I would have voted Trump, but I would be regretting it. Because I’d think he was a national embarrassment.

              However I would also be totally pissed off with the anti-free speech antics of the radical ‘safe spaces’ left, especially the strident feminazis who I’ve watched doing blithering anti-free speech shoutdowns in the universities, arrogantly taking it upon themselves to speak for everyone in minority groups that haven’t asked them to, & don’t even bloody like them, the elite Hollywood faux-liberals, & the comedian/talk shows that have over-egged the Trump pudding /so much they’re as bad as Fox & CNN for bias so strong & so blinkered you just give up on them.

              Where Trumpohiles see an unstable genius ‘doing everything he said he would’ (but poll selected) ‘just watch his results’ – I see a chaotic clown who must be a total nightmare to work under (evidenced by the pushouts & bailouts) & who viscerally loathing anti-liberals are desperately interpreting to everyone in the same way Christians & Muslims try to ignore the bad shit & tell you the utter nonsense & often actually really bad advice in their Holy Books is, in reality, profoundly meaningful & inherently good.

              Because no one can know the mind of Trump, but trust in him – he is good because Trump just has to be good or the bad shit means he can’t be…

              Man I’m glad to be on the outside looking in. America’s best system of democracy in the world is a joke. And a sick one at that.

            • MaureenW

               /  July 19, 2018

              “America’s best system of democracy in the world is a joke. And a sick one at that.”
              That has been the case for a long time Gezza, did you want a barrel of Bushes or a basket of Clintons. In all honesty, the Kennedy’s weren’t much different. So much for a democracy.

  7. Traveller

     /  July 19, 2018

    Who’d have guessed he felt this way? 😉

    • Gezza

       /  July 19, 2018

      He needs to shut the hell up or he could end up causing opposite result. He hasn’t even got enuf character left for it to be assassinated.

  8. Corky

     /  July 19, 2018

    I understand, Mr President. Like this prat who shows his bias instead of absolute professionalism.

    https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/07/18/james-comey-wants-americans-vote-democrats.html

    As I said…the lemmings will come out to play.

  9. Patzcuaro

     /  July 19, 2018

    Make America Grate Again

    • Corky

       /  July 19, 2018

      ”So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki.”

      I guess you aren’t in that group, Patzcuaro.

      • Patzcuaro

         /  July 19, 2018

        The one certainty is that Trump appeals to the lowest common denominator

        • MaureenW

           /  July 19, 2018

          You might want to rethink that Patz, here is yesterday’s most viewed article from the Guardian (dutifully reprinted by Stuff and Herald), on the Queen sending coded messages to Trump via her brooches. These stories are written for people like you, people with TDS, people immersed in Trump hatred – and of such a lofty, higher intellect.
          https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2018/jul/18/was-the-queen-sending-coded-messages-to-donald-trump-via-her-brooches-absolutely

          • Patzcuaro

             /  July 19, 2018

            They would have been far too subtle for Trump. After Trump lashed out at May over Brexit the Queen may have been subtly telegraphing her support for her Prime Minister.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  July 19, 2018

              Standing up for your country a foreign idea to Trump which goes back to the Viet Nam.

            • MaureenW

               /  July 19, 2018

              Oh no I’m sure Trump would have seen the brooch coded messages immediately – that’s probably why he walked in front of her, sending a coded message back, if you like.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  July 19, 2018

              Maureen, you obviously haven’t received the Memo –
              – If Trump does (anything), attribute stupidity or malice.
              – If others do (anything), attribute nuanced reasoning and subtle put downs.

            • MaureenW

               /  July 19, 2018

              @Patz
              The only proven collusion between the US and Russia at this point was by Hillary Clinton
              http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/18/rand-paul-hillary-clinton-russian/

            • Patzcuaro

               /  July 19, 2018

              @ Maureen
              But Hillary, she lost and is consigned to history. Back to the present, the FBI have been incentivised and are working it, it is only a matter of time. There are lots of plump apples on the lower branches the current variety is honey trap, sweet on the outside but with a bitter after taste.

            • MaureenW

               /  July 19, 2018

              @Patz
              Oh no Patzcuaro, Hillary is planning on coughing and stumbling her way into another election campaign.
              https://www.heraldnet.com/news/locke-to-help-lead-clintons-campaign/

              With regard to the rest of your comment re plump apples and low branches and honey traps, you’re not a contract Project Manager by any chance? They’re the only group of people I know of who consistently talk such nonsense – btw you missed out deep dives.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  July 19, 2018

              @Maureen
              If Hillary is stupid enough to run again and the Democrats are stupid enough to entertain the idea then they deserve everything the get. It would be a sad indictment on the state of politics in the US. One Clinton was enough, as was one Bush. In fact, I think that Jeb Bush, by running opened the way for Trump by muddying the waters in the early primaries.

          • Griff

             /  July 19, 2018

            I dont think the message was to Trump.
            Far to subtle for his intellect.
            It was to the world watching.
            If you think Queen did that accidentally ……..

            • MaureenW

               /  July 19, 2018

              I doubt Trump walked in front of her accidentally Griff – would be a far too subtle gesture for your intellect.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  July 19, 2018

              One for the Canadians (part of the commonwealth), one for Obama (part of the human race) and the other one was personal (to be worn while in mourning).

            • Patzcuaro

               /  July 19, 2018

              @Maureen
              Or he could have just been rude.

            • Griff

               /  July 19, 2018

              I just put that down to the mans well known misogyny and ignorance.

            • MaureenW

               /  July 19, 2018

              @ Patz
              Oh good, I see you have used that startling intellect to analyse what the brooches mean – could be this, could be that??? There’s not much to analyse on what someone’s arse means.

            • Griff

               /  July 19, 2018

              Jesus H
              Our Queen has been playing this game for longer than Trump has been alive.
              She was brought up to play it from birth as have her ancestors been for over 1,000 years.

            • MaureenW

               /  July 19, 2018

              Ahh queen?? I’m sure she’ll be pleased to know your support her 8D game of brooches along with Patz – the two dazzling intellectuals of the YourNZ blog site.

            • Gezza

               /  July 19, 2018

              I read that article as soon as I saw it & concluded by the time I reached the end it was ludicrous. My take is HMQE2 (who has a wee bit wicked sense of humour) might’ve picked the Michelle Obama Brooch because it was a nice one AND it was a gift from America AND it would be a bit of a giggle because Trump wouldn’t know (I’ll bet she doesn’t like him), & that was it. All her other brooches were just what she thought were nice & suited to her outfit & occasion.

  10. Blazer

     /  July 19, 2018

  11. Patzcuaro

     /  July 19, 2018

    A job for Musk and his sub.

    • Patzcuaro

       /  July 19, 2018

      The rescue may involve dealing with kompromat.

  12. Patzcuaro

     /  July 19, 2018
  13. Griff

     /  July 19, 2018

    • Zedd

       /  July 19, 2018

      from Vlad’s private art collection ? 😀

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 19, 2018

      The Left like pictures and artists like the Left. Was ever thus.

      • Patzcuaro

         /  July 19, 2018

        The wealthy pay large sums to own the pictures either because they like them or it enhances their standing.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  July 19, 2018

          Or because the Left haven’t found a way to tax them yet.

  14. Zedd

     /  July 19, 2018

    Fantastic, Tremendous, Spectacular, Amazing.. most B-S ever !

    .. just running on his ‘Gut feelings’.. very little thought-processing happening… :/

    old saying; ‘Ensure your brain is actually engaged.. before putting your mouth (or twitter finger) into gear !’

    Even ex-POTUS Obama is laughing.. all the way from Sth Africa 😀

  15. Zedd

     /  July 19, 2018

    methinks all that fake dyed hair & face paint is seeping/soaking into his ‘brain’ :/ 😀

    • Zedd

       /  July 19, 2018

      all image & very little substance.. appealing to the ‘moron-set’ : come on down corky

  16. Alan Wilkinson

     /  July 19, 2018
  17. Gezza

     /  July 19, 2018

    • Zedd

       /  July 19, 2018

      pic #2
      Mr P was just told: Mr T actually believes his own rhetoric; he won the election & is a serious politician !

  18. Zedd

     /  July 19, 2018

    Birds of a feather… Mr T, Mr P & Mr K ? (tyrants & oligarchs.. one & all)

    1) total self interest
    2) personal wealth
    3) POWER
    4) keep the ‘support base’ on side.. lowest common denominator (demagogue populist)
    5) collude with others of like mind.. but keep denying it
    6) attack the media & others who speak against you
    7)……. oh yes….. pretend at politics.. if/when needed ?

    • Zedd

       /  July 19, 2018

      nearly forgot;

      Surround yourself with ‘Yes men/women’ who agree with EVERYTHING you utter (or tweet) then; blame them when necessary !

      oh dear.. call me cyncal.. AGAIN !! 😀

  19. Joe Bloggs

     /  July 19, 2018

    This is laughable.

    On Monday, trump claimed that he believed Putin and said that Russia didn’t meddle in the election.

    On Tuesday, trump said he supports the assessment of the US intelligence agencies that Russia did meddle in the election.

    On Wednesday morning, trump took that back when he said that Russia isn’t targeting the US.

    On Wednesday afternoon, his press secretary sarah sanders said that trump never said that.

    Less than two hours after sanders spoke, trump was back saying that Russia meddled in the election.

    • Zedd

       /  July 19, 2018

      he might need more orange makeup SOON.. getting a RED tinge coming through :/

  20. duperez

     /  July 19, 2018

    “People at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki”

    I humbly have to admit that I fit the demographic and certainly did love the press conference performance. What wasn’t to love about someone who you think in so many ways is an imbecile, proving it on the Big Stage?

    Those of higher intellect could love only one thing more: Trump going back home and having a press conference where he tries to sweet talk people into believing that he didn’t mean to say what he said on the Big Stage and try to convince people by saying he meant to say “would” instead of ‘wouldn’t’ or “wouldn’t” instead of ‘would’.

    I wonder how high up that intelligence thing he expects it to be before he strikes someone saying, “Bullshit”?

  21. Joe Bloggs

     /  July 19, 2018

    Two weeks before his inauguration, Donald J. Trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election.

    The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.

    Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced, according to several people who attended the intelligence briefing. But ever since, Mr. Trump has tried to cloud the very clear findings that he received on Jan. 6, 2017, which his own intelligence leaders have unanimously endorsed.