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    • Corky

       /  July 21, 2018

      A Rightie knows how to make a buck, Gezza. Talking of these two, I think they should call the media out for a live televised debate. They seem to be taking a beat. They need to apply a beat…calling out protesters and the media changes the dynamics of a alt -right talk feast into something else.

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      • Gezza

         /  July 21, 2018

        Well, Like Peterson, Southern would possibly be up for that because she’s shown plenty of times she’s perfectly willing & gonadsy enuf to go out & face a mob & defend her views.

        Not so sure about Molyneux, Corky. Haven’t seen him doing that yet. Only times I’ve seen him preaching so far he’s very much in safe spaces.

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  1. Blazer

     /  July 21, 2018

    it’ll be good to get some first hand reports of their ‘show’ here, from their many supporters that post.
    I am assuming these people will go,I mean donating to the ‘free speech’ cause is one thing.

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  2. Corky

     /  July 21, 2018

    I take a bit of stick from Kitty regarding my fixation on the middleclass. One of my main criticisms is the many middleclass folk who are naive and removed from the real world. They believe everyone thinks like them. That’s a problem when reality bites. Especially given many of these folk are in government and bureaucracy roles.

    Watch Tommy Robinson tackle a middleclass troll and see what I mean

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    • duperez

       /  July 21, 2018

      It’s a weird world isn’t it? On one hand we have middle class folk who are naive and removed from the real world and they believe everyone thinks like them.

      Then we have others who are naive and think the world they live in is the real world and the the only world and believe that everyone should think like them. 🙃

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      • Corky

         /  July 21, 2018

        ”Then we have others who are naive and think the world they live in is the real world and the the only world and believe that everyone should think like them. 🙃”

        Give me an example…and I promise to reply 😉

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        • duperez

           /  July 21, 2018

          I would say Mike Hosking but at this time of his private tragedy I won’t.

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          • Corky

             /  July 21, 2018

            Well, Mike wouldn’t be a good example as he has, in my opinion, a good handle on the ‘real world,’ even though he doesn’t live in the real world.

            Tell you what, why don’t you try me, given the supposed blinkered existence I supposedly live in.

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      • Gezza

         /  July 21, 2018

        Have you read the Quran, dupers? It’s available online, In English.

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    • sorethumb

       /  July 21, 2018

      Muslims are victims of Islam – good point!

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    • Corky

       /  July 21, 2018

      I now understand where Tommys angst with Islam comes from..his cousin was gang-banged by Muslims.

      I forgot to mention the above clip confirms what Gezza has said regarding people being poorly educated about Islam. That goes for ALL classes of people. Western ignorance is quite astounding when weighed against Western support for Islam.

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      • He must be an idiot if he blames every Muslim in the world for the actions of a few scumbags. Gang rape occurs everywhere, Would you feel all right about being hated because Maori gangs did/do this and feel that the hatred was justified ?.

        The rest of what you say isn’t worth taking notice of.

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        • Corky

           /  July 21, 2018

          I can’t be bothered correcting your ignorance..except to say you obviously haven’t seen the clip…otherwise you would know you are wrong again with your assumptions.

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          • You said it, so any ignorance is the result of your poor communication.

            You said that his cousin had been gang-raped by Muslims which justified his hatred of all of them. Unless that was untrue or a distortion, is there any need to watch the tape ? Can your word not be taken ?

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            • Corky

               /  July 22, 2018

              Again you have taken liberties. Where did I insinuate the following:

              ”You said that his cousin had been gang-raped by Muslims which justified his hatred of all of them.”

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 22, 2018

              Read your own words again, if you can’t remember them.

            • Corky

               /  July 22, 2018

              For your education:

              angst
              noun

              a feeling of deep anxiety or dread, typically an unfocused one about the human condition or the state of the world in general.
              “the existential angst of the middle classes”
              synonyms: anxiety, fear, dread, apprehension, worry, perturbation, foreboding, trepidation, malaise, distress, disquiet, disquietude, unease, uneasiness; rareinquietude

              Inkr

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 22, 2018

              More babbling from the champion babbler, a propos of nothing, showing off about knowing a word that everyone else does as if it displays great erudition.

            • Corky

               /  July 22, 2018

              No, just showing the disconnect between what you think you read, and what was actually written. Poor form for an intellectual giant such as yourself.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 22, 2018

              Backpedalling again, I see.

            • I don’t know why you said that someone’s angst with Muslims came from his cousin being gang raped by some of them. If you don’t know what you mean yourself. that’s your problem.

            • Corky

               /  July 22, 2018

              Obfuscation:

              The action of making something obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
              “when confronted with sharp questions they resort to obfuscation”

              Great example for using said word. And so relevant.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 22, 2018

              It’s tempting to take up the invitation to use it, as I agree that it’s one that is relevant to your rants, but it’s rather overused now. I see that you now have access to a dictionary, which should be a help to stop you talking so much nonsense.

              You needn’t define these words; we all know them. Their meanings may be new to you, but they are not to most people.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 22, 2018

              My mistake; you seem to have just googled it . Oh dear.

    • sorethumb

       /  July 21, 2018

      They really need to get something off Valerie the molotov cocktail -ANZAC Day Flag burning messenger of peace?

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      • Gezza

         /  July 21, 2018

        Turned up in the Tuhoe ‘private security mercenary’ training camp too. A strange one. Best kept an eye on, but basically a self-deluded Amazon Warrior dreamer I think.

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        • Gezza

           /  July 21, 2018

          *Urban guerilla* was the phrase I was looking for. Valerie’s always fancied herself as one of those types, I think, from what I’ve seen and read about her. She’s now just an aging & irrelevant social justice warrior of yore who’s never got the attention or influence she’s yearned for, & still seeks, in my view.

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    • Corky

       /  July 21, 2018

      I don’t know why Police should be charging for doing their job.

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      • They are not there to be free security guards. Their being there means that they cannot be doing their real job of fighting crime.

        The unlovely duo should be let to take their chance or pay for their own security.

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        • Corky

           /  July 22, 2018

          They are not there to be free security guards.

          Were Police asked to be security guards? If so, that’s a different story. If not, then police need to get on and do the job they are paid for.. keeping public order. They don’t get to charge for that service, or decide who needs their protection.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  July 22, 2018

            De facto si non de jure est.

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          • Corky

             /  July 22, 2018

            Oh, dear. Guess what the topic on the radio is? Why are police charging for doing their job.?

            I guess you have to have a little intellectual grunt to ask the obvious question.

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            • Not really. Most people don’t regard the obvious as being much of an intellectual challenge. If you mean talkback radio, I don’t listen to that, of course. It’s for the non compos mentis, from what I hear.

              Surely you can translate De facto si non de jure. The words have English descendants, so even to the monolingual it shouldn’t be too much of an intellectual exercise.

    • Won’t be long before we can do the same in Dunedin. It’s been another mild winter, not much frost, quite dry, buds are forming, blossom has started, daffodils are coming up. Seems about a month early.

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      • Corky

         /  July 21, 2018

        Things must be changing if that’s happening in Dunedin. I was involved in the hort industry in the 80’s when the Kiwi fruit madness was in full swing…and I mean literal madness.

        An offshoot of that madness was people taking speculative punts on crops that would be marginal at best in New Zealand eg lychee and tropical guava. I think with changing climate some of these crops may be revisited. A great crop for your area that can hack frost would be
        American Paw Paws. They are easily as tasty as mangoes. They would be a commercial winner if the short storage life problem was solved.

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    • Maggy Wassilieff

       /  July 21, 2018

      Folks have been growing bananas in Gisborne for well over 70 years.
      They are not a novelty…
      https://photonews.org.nz/gisborne/issue/GPN26_19560823/t1-body-d27.html

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      • Corky

         /  July 21, 2018

        I know they aren’t. But we are talking commercial quantities with commercial liabilities. Misi Luki and Ladyfinger grow well in this region. To be prattish, Ormond is slightly out of Gisborne with a micro climate. However, thanks for reacquainting me with Photo News, the regional Twitter of its day.

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        • The tea plantation has been here since 1996.

          It’s hardly news that the tea is grown here.

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          • Corky

             /  July 21, 2018

            ”’The tea plantation has been here since 1996.”

            Yeah, sure. 9 out of 10 people would know that. Of course you did…apart from knowing everything else…after the fact.

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          • I was here when it started up, and as it was widely publicised, I am amazed that you haven’t heard of it before or seen the television ads for it. It’s in supermarkets. It’s been around for over 20 years !!!

            It is sold to China.This was also in the news when it first happened.

            I am surprised that you didn’t claim to have been involved with this, as you claim to have been for so many things, like the ‘literal madness’ (I won’t say it) of the kiwifruit when YOU were involved with it.

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            • Corky

               /  July 22, 2018

              ”It’s in supermarkets. It’s been around for over 20 years !!!”

              What supermarket? I want to buy some.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 22, 2018

              Find out for yourself, it’s beyond your price range, anyway, I suspect. I am not your personal shopper.

            • Corky

               /  July 22, 2018

              Hmmm, price definitely is a factor. I have emailed them.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 22, 2018

              Emailed them ? Why not just look up the website and find the prices there ? There’s no point in emailing them when everything’s there on the website

              I would be surprised if you had emailed them and had a reply on Sunday night. More nonsense.

            • Corky

               /  July 22, 2018

              I have looked at the website. However, as stated before, I do my research if I want to take a topic further.

              ”I would be surprised if you had emailed them and had a reply on Sunday night. More nonsense.”

              Again you have a problem with processing information. I said I had emailed them.

              The pertinent question to ask would have been: ”Have you received a reply?” My answer would have been ”no.”

            • What a pathetic example of backpedalling. Why bother to mention it in the first place, then, if you hadn’t had a reply ? What relevance did that have to finding out the price as you said that you have done ?

              And what’s the point of emailing them ?

              This is an obvious example of trying to make it seem as if you didn’t say something that you did say. It’s very childish. And pathetic.

            • Corky

               /  July 22, 2018

              ”Why bother to mention it in the first place, then, if you hadn’t had a reply?”

              Hmm, good question. On one hand I have accused you of being a literalist; on the other, reading false meaning into something that is quite straightforward.

              I guess I zigged when I should have zagged. Next time I will toss a coin and hope for the best.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 22, 2018

              Oh, go away, you dreary little man. You are a bore of the first water, and your constant attempts at point-scoring are very tedious.

              Your constant backpedalling is also tedious and unconvincing. All you do is contradict yourself. No, you do not sound clever, you sound like extremely silly.

              Now, run away and find someone else to bore.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 22, 2018

              Next time, don’t bother to say anything if it’s as witless as that.

            • Corky

               /  July 22, 2018

              Excellent. No need for your inane replies to my comments. You stay on your side of the fence; I on mine. Problem solved.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 23, 2018

              I wish that you would. I also wish that you would stop deceiving yourself that your backpedalling when you are challenged looks clever and that people believe you when you say that you emailed (whoever it was) and that that proves what you have just said. It’s so likely that a studio would reply to an email with details of who was in a studio audience, isn’t it ? Get off the grass.

  3. Gezza

     /  July 21, 2018

    Research conducted over the last 6 months at Pookden Manor show that double yolker eggs poached in a mug in a microwave have a much higher incidence of exploding than single yolk eggs.

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    • sorethumb

       /  July 21, 2018

      I have been trying to stop my egg exploding. Yesterday I shook it and it didn’t explode. Power .5 for 1 minute plus a bit more as not quite done.

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      • sorethumb

         /  July 21, 2018

        I have a rubber doll to put the egg in.

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        • Gezza

           /  July 21, 2018

          😳 Never heard one called that before. 😐

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          • sorethumb

             /  July 21, 2018

            It’s like a Russian doll. 1.5 mins @ .5 power – Blew top.

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            • Gezza

               /  July 21, 2018

              I tend not to talk about what I do with mine in public.

            • Gezza

               /  July 21, 2018

              I think the only time mine blew its top in 1.5 minutes was probably the first time, but I’d rather not go into it any further than that.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  July 21, 2018

          It’s a mistake to egg him on, sorethumb.

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          • For goodness’ sake, lads, don’t you know to pierce the yolks ?

            Swirl them around a bit, too. I don’t know what happened to my little Russian egg dolls, they seem to have disappeared. I do sort of scrambled eggs in a bowl that has tight clips on the lid, and even if I do leave a yolk whole, the lid can’t come off. The Sistema bowls are good,. wait until they are on a good special at Briscoes.

            Has anyone ever had a potato bomb in the oven when they forgot to pierce the potato skin ? You only do it once.

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            • sorethumb

               /  July 21, 2018

              I think I have pierced the yolks. Maybe utensil not sharp enough?

            • Gezza

               /  July 21, 2018

              Yes, I’ve pierced the yolks too. It does nothing to lessen their potential to explode under the same conditions as unpierced ones explode.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 21, 2018

              Pierce the fat end of the shell, boil it in the electric jug and let it sit in there for 4 mins. Perfectly simple and no explosions.

            • Gezza

               /  July 21, 2018

              Does that poach it or boil it?

            • Boils it, but it might not do the jug much good, and if the shell is cracked you’d have a disgusting mess to clean up.Worse than a saucepan when this happens.

              Perfect boiled eggs are done by bringing them to the boil, turning the element off and letting them sit for the number of minutes wanted.

              Microed eggs are convenient. Do them for half the time, then for the next half. I find that swirling the yolks a bit means that they don’t explode.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 22, 2018

              Pricking the shell avoids cracks and you can do several at a time. Even if one splits you just rinse out the water but that’s infrequent.

            • Gezza

               /  July 22, 2018

              I want a poached egg, not a boiled one.

              And to stop an egg from cracking and the albumin leaching out during boiling all you need is a pinch of salt in the water.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 22, 2018

              No, salt won’t stop the expansion of the air pocket in the fat end of the egg. Pricking the shell allows it to escape without cracking.

            • Gezza

               /  July 22, 2018

              Makes no difference if the eggshell cracks, with a pinch of salt in the water it stays complete – and the albumin stays inside.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 22, 2018

              Stick to exploding your eggs in the microwave and I’ll stick to not exploding mine in the jug. And I don’t want salt in my Rooibos.

            • Gezza

               /  July 22, 2018

              The number of exploding microwavedd poached eggs is actually pretty small, Al. Just makes me laff when it happens – it’s not a mess, just a bang. I have it down to a pretty fine art.

              My boiled eggs done in a pot with a pinch of salt & a plastic egg timer in the pot that shows how far the egg is boiled (I like them with fully cooked yolks sometimes, runny others) gives me perfect boiled eggs every time, no leaks.

              🤔 Can you have a go poaching an egg in your kettle & let me know how it turns out? 😳

            • I seldom have a problem if I pierce yolks and spread the yolk a little bit.

              The method of doing boiled eggs that I mentioned works really well. How do you stop the plastic timer melting ? Or do you buy these in bulk ?

              We poached eggs in little bowl things when I was little. There were two joined together, with a useful little handle to lift them out with.

              I find red bush tea (rooibos) rather sweet and a bit oily.

  4. sorethumb

     /  July 21, 2018

    Gezza
    I’m curious why this preoccupation with scientific racism is so important to you. What are you trying to do with it?
    ………………………….
    It is part of a bigger picture about human nature. One view has us all like seminola or white rice only polluted by bad ideas. The other is more like the animals at the African water hole (hyenas, jackals, crocodiles). Not that we are different species but ethnocentrism is underplayed. Only whites are racist. The good people are the Kittycatkins and Peter Georges.
    It is as though we stand on dry grass and the “righties” keep lighting fires which need water thrown over them.
    I believe in the nation state as a natural unit within a geographical entity. A melting pot is o.k when wealth is increasing ( not “a growing economy”) and everybody can participate. But in nature we cannot control the environment always and have at time to batten down for bad times (or the end of growth) – that’s when we need a cohesive society and strong national identity. A strong national identity (people with a common history and sense of belonging). Humans need to regulate their populations to the potential of their economy (given the human resources, physical resources and geography). We act as though “NZ needs a bigger population” but the consensus amongst policy analysts is that “other things are more important”. It just happens that media access is restricted to powerful interests.
    The IQ thing is important because it is part of that seminola view (all made at factory x in China etc). It does have implications for public policy. Would you want to choose migrants from the UK based on (say) IQ 70 to 90?
    The multicultural optimists cherry pick: Rangitoto College, an ethnic food court etc. In reality we all struggle and we can’t judge what’s going on by the lifestyles of the wealthy middle classes.

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    • Gezza

       /  July 21, 2018

      Why didn’t you include my earlier reply to your response to that question?

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    • sorethumb

       /  July 21, 2018

      Gezza
      He’s only basically talking Ashkenazi Jews in there, and in a particular context regarding a particular subset – those with very high IQ’s. He doesn’t contend there that other racial or ethnic groups as a whole are intinsically smarter than others. Like all reputable psychologists, sociologists & commentstors he qualifies many of his statements with wise caveats – although I now notice with Peterson how much he plays up to an audience & is stridently insistent on the correctness of his own views.

      [He doesn’t get to the nitty gritty. Another topic and he would dive straight in. He says race is hard to define and doesn’t have clear boundaries. Brett Weinstein talks about “populations”. He defends IQ tests but doesn’t refer to data between various ethnic groups but he does say “and that’s adjusting for culture, socioeconomic status” (?) etc.. Remeber also we are talking about scores on a bell shaped curve – each group has individuals out on the “x” axis.]

      I watched the New Zealander Flynn below too. Nodded off – it’s a problem with Molyneux videos. Peterson wakes one up. Similar caveats & cautions. And he focuses mainly on environmental impacts on IQ over time, not race, (Obviously people in disadvantaged circumstances who perpetuate them aren’t going to get any smarter, but watching the white trash folk who regularly appear on the Jeremy Kyle show gives a pretty clear picture of how dumb people at the bottom producing more dumb people in any population occurs across the spectrum of ethnicities.

      [I think IQ is the result of neural architecture. I don’t think there is any evidence that bringing a lower IQ child up in a different culture makes any difference. It could be that somethings make a difference but like physical morphology, won’t make you competitive in top sports]

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      • Gezza

         /  July 21, 2018

        No I meant this bit:
        …. ….
        sorethumb / July 21, 2018
        “Gezza
        I’m curious why this preoccupation with scientific racism is so important to you. What are you trying to do with it?”
        ………
        why wouldn’t you want to see a try picture over a PC one?
        There are costs if we run society on false assumptions. Charles Murray covers the effects of IQ on placement at universities.
        Basically we False paradigm of human human nature therefore “racism came with European Colonisation” etc.

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        Gezza / July 21, 2018
        No I’m happy to see a true picture over a politically correct false assumption. I’m all for that.

        If Murray has a problem with affirmative action type programmes lowering the academic entry standards for university courses for coloured students (I’m assuming), squeezing out those who should be getting in & leading to disasters, deaths & sundry mayhem in, say, the medicine or engineering or industrial fields then I can see how that would be a problem & I have no issues with that being pointed out & debated.

        If he’s concerned that taxpayers are paying for these people to go into the Humanities field to do silly research like analysing surveys of the feelings of a tiny fraction of the 2% of people who don’t consider themselves to be either male or female, and within that either hetero, gay, or bisexual – and who are just attention-seeing self-entitled whiny little weirdos to force everyone to consider their oddballness important enuf to be given celebrity treatment – then I think that should be up for debate too.

        But that’s just a case of telling the universities to stop lowering academic entry standards.

        Why are you so fixated on the contention that IQ is race based? Most researchers in the IQ field caution against taking the concept too far in drawing conclusions about that because DNA research & genomes analysis is proving people in racial groups are far more ethnically mixed than was known.

        And because people of any group at the very top end of the current IQ test data statistically do very well for themselves in life, but for those below that level in any population the factors that predict for success in Western societies are many, & include environmental factors such as social status, upbringing, education & culture.

        And further, that people at the bottom end of the IQ scale tend not to do well. That this is also true of white people is immediately evident to anyone who watches the white trash wreckages who regularly appear on the UK (& probably US) Jeremy Kyle shows.

        So – not sure why you like to constantly seem to be suggesting that people of different races are superior to others, when the researchers themselves aren’t arguing this, & don’t draw that conclusion.

        If this is NOT what you are saying, then I have no problem.
        …. ….

        ARE you saying that white people are simply superior to ther races?

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  5. sorethumb

     /  July 21, 2018

    Why are you so fixated on the contention that IQ is race based? Most researchers in the IQ field caution against taking the concept too far in drawing conclusions about that because DNA research & genomes analysis is proving people in racial groups are far more ethnically mixed than was known.
    ……..
    I’m not fixated on the contention that IQ is race based. I’m fixated on the contention that people in different populations for thousands of years evolved different traits. But especially ethnocentrism in multicultural societies and an old brain on a modern head.
    On Charles Murray I here a fatherly figure talking about which university/trade school his son’s should go to – rather than to satisfy his own ego. “If you have IQ x you may get into MIT but you’ll be the dumbest in the class ” (and so on down the line).

    And because people of any group at the very top end of the current IQ test data statistically do very well for themselves in life, but for those below that level in any population the factors that predict for success in Western societies are many, & include environmental factors such as social status, upbringing, education & culture.

    That doesn’t rule out IQ but of course there is an interplay of other factors (single parent families, mental illness etc). John Graham said the when A Maori student was doing well the others pulled him back.

    So – not sure why you like to constantly seem to be suggesting that people of different races are superior to others, when the researchers themselves aren’t arguing this, & don’t draw that conclusion.

    The bell curves don’t line up but overlap. IQ difference are averages. Some higly intelligent people are absolute arseholes (and at the other end) etc. I never said whites are superior. I said according to IQ tests Ashkenazi Jews > East Asians (Samsung) > whites > Blacks?.
    People are ethnocentric so any group finds a way to justify feelings of superiority Jews are “cunning”. “With Pakeha it’s all about money” -“they don’t cry at funerals” etc. Aboriginals were famous as “black trackers”.
    Humans are status obsessed: that probably denotes feelings of supremacy. I doubt the National Front see themselves as high status. Money gives us status – a flash house.

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  6. sorethumb

     /  July 21, 2018

    ARE you saying that white people are simply superior to ther races?
    ………..
    White people means what: 1. A white person or 2. The white population?

    The White population has an IQ higher than blacks but less than East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews. But that has little meaning to the individual who has his own limited score to cope with and it means little on a dark night with a hulking great Pacific Islander walking towards him.

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    • Gezza

       /  July 21, 2018

      Do you personally believe that, regardless of their circumstances,cultural background, education, & skills:

      1. An average white European (or Caucasian) person is just, basically, superior to an average ethnically black or brown-skinned person?
      or that
      2. A white European (or Caucasian) population is just, basically, superior to an ethncally black or brown-skinned person?

      And do you believe that:
      3. White people should rule over black or brown-skinned people?
      or that
      4. Black or brown-skinned people should not be allowed to mix with or live amongst white-skinned people?

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      • sorethumb

         /  July 21, 2018

        1 and 2. .Every parent thinks their kid is superior (even if they are not). That’s how ethnocentrism works and the same hormone is released.
        Boil it down and blacks and browns are much more likely to be criminals. That stereotype is reinforced over and over.
        Whites are more likely to be in the professions.
        3. The wisest person should rule (but that is subjective as to whose words are the wisest).
        4. I don’t think people should be segregated. But I don’t believe homogenous societies (NZ ’80’s) are immoral “racializing projects” . Societies can hit a sweet spot and one thing in particular is birthrate. That has a lot to do with culture and religion. The other factor is social cohesion. People take time to become part of the furniture. I don’t think biculturalism has done us any favours. We now have many cultures with their various requirements etc. Homogenous societies can do what others cant.

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        • Gezza

           /  July 21, 2018

          Boil it down and blacks and browns are much more likely to be criminals. That stereotype is reinforced over and over.

          The Mafia is white folks: you know that eh? Why are they much more likely to be criminals?

          Romanians are much more likely to be pickpockets in London. They is white folks. Why do you think they is more likely to be criminals?

          The Nazis was white folks. Why was they much more likely to be murderers & thugs?

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          • Griff

             /  July 21, 2018

            Silly pizda.
            I personally know forth generation Croatians in this country that still speak their ancestors language at home .http://www.croatianclub.org/
            They have been here for 175 years and many still proudly take part in their culture .

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            • sorethumb

               /  July 21, 2018

              I personally know forth generation Croatians in this country that still speak their ancestors language at home
              …………….
              maybe so and I bet you couldn’t pick them from ordinary New Zealanders.
              As you say they have been here for 175 years. I also know New Zealanders who speak foreign languages. Are you saying there is no New Zealand culture (or something)?
              The point is that people have an identity and a sense of belonging to a place.
              It is also true that diversity is the inverse of social cohesion
              http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/2016/09/robert-putnam-on-negative-effects-of.html

            • Griff

               /  July 21, 2018

              They are white and dress like us even in Croatia of course you cant pick them from any other white person. Kiwi born Croatians speak English with a NZ accent .
              They still keep their culture alive and have retained their separate identity for 175 years in this homogeneous, according to you, country.

              In other words you are repeating a myth.
              There is no overriding kiwi culture never has been never will be.

          • sorethumb

             /  July 21, 2018

            The Mafia are small in number. It isn’t just perceptions it is backed by statistics.

            According to the most recent ABS data, for every 100,000 Australia-born residents there are 202.4 prisoners. The total rate for the entire resident population, however, stands at 170 prisoners per 100,000 residents. This means that foreign-born residents actually have a lower chance of being imprisoned for serious offences than the native-born population.9
            A few caveats remain, though. First, the prisoner statistics only relate to the most serious crimes. Second, there is a wide gap between different migrant groups, ranging from an extremely low rate of 28.2 for Indian-born to 555.3 for Samoan-born residents.
            http://library.bsl.org.au/jspui/bitstream/1/2896/1/Selection%20migration%20and%20integration.pdf

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        • sorethumb

           /  July 21, 2018

          Boil it down and blacks and browns are much more likely to be criminals. That stereotype is reinforced over and over.
          …….
          I meant in the NZ and American context at the present time.

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          • Gezza

             /  July 21, 2018

            And
            1, what do you think is the most fundamental cause of this – and any other contributors to that
            and
            2. do you think these same causes apply to some in the white population – white ferals & white trash, for example?

            3. You haven’t replied to my question about the Nazis above. The Nazis was white folks. Why was they much more likely to be murderers & thugs?

            4. Also, why was the Nazis able to take control of an entire two whole countries of white folks & what has your genetic IQ research shown you about how they were able to accept, even applaud, & msny thousands sctually actively participate in the detention, torture, enslaving, ethnic cleansing & both individual killing & mass murder of thoussnds (eventually numbering millions) of people of other races & ethnic groups they deemed inferior?

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            • sorethumb

               /  July 21, 2018

              1, what do you think is the most fundamental cause of this – and any other contributors to that

              A. family culture. Status seeking – crime.

              2. do you think these same causes apply to some in the white population – white ferals & white trash, for example?

              A. Yes

              3. You haven’t replied to my question about the Nazis above. The Nazis was white folks. Why was they much more likely to be murderers & thugs?

              A. didn’t answer because I thought it was self evident that all peoples have had despotic rulers with significant backing of population.

              Some context however: We have a proactive multicultural policy which is designed to confront (and destroy) our racism/ethnocentrism. That involves support for high migration. There isn’t much evidence that (overall) NZr’s have benefitted whereas those benefits are concentrated and the costs dispersed. The opportunities to migrate are not (able to be) reciprocated. When people ask “why is it only white countries”, they aren’t far wrong. The narrative however is that immigration is a “no brainer” (Nigel Latta – The Hard Stuff); ” 80% of us support multiculturalism” , “it’s very lonely on the right” , “NZ lacks tabloids” (voice).

              5. I’m not sure about that. Jordan Peterson says “you would have done it too ” -Maps of Meaning. I think it is human nature. We are a pack animal and killers.

            • Gezza

               /  July 21, 2018

              Ok, fair enuf.

              You accept that some white people of even high IQ are just racist arseholes & that it has been proven with millions of examples that in the right circumstances it is possible for them to persuade huge numbers of other white people of, any IQ , to be, condone, or by fear or simple indifference, be complicit in the acts of thieves, thugs, & violent, mass murdering criminals targeting racial groups they believe to be intellectually, and/or morally, and/or culturally inferior, even Ashkenazi Jews & East Asians & other white people.

              I agree completely. And I believe we need to keep a close eye on people who talk like they think like that because the evidence is clear that they are dangerous.

            • sorethumb

               /  July 21, 2018

              A subtle difference Geeza. I believe we need to watch not the political players but the factors that lead to genocide/ civil war. Immigration, pressure on resources ethnic tensions.
              This Labour Party started the multicultural program but it’s children will be bigger and stronger than the parent.
              Another thought on social cohesion.
              Robert Putnam said it took 50 years for American Society to become cohesive (they had a hiatus on immigration).

            • Gezza

               /  July 21, 2018

              A subtle difference Geeza. I believe we need to watch not the political players but the factors that lead to genocide/ civil war. Immigration, pressure on resources ethnic tensions.

              We need to watch both. Molyneux needs close scrutiny.

  7. Corky

     /  July 21, 2018

    Mikey addresses rumours. The one about him buying shoes from the Warehouse is a little on the nose. Mikey wouldn’t be seen dead in the Warehouse…what would Remmers think!

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/video/mike-hosking-addresses-rumours/

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    • Blazer

       /  July 21, 2018

      who..cares.

      Reply
      • Corky

         /  July 21, 2018

        You for starters. I was just trying to bring a little upperclass panache to this blog

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        • Blazer

           /  July 21, 2018

          its well known Hoskings squeeze dresses him.
          He used to dress like a politician from the 50’s.

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          • That is neither upper class nor panache.People with panache wouldn’t need to boast about their possessions, that’s very nouveau riche and in poor taste,

            Who gives a stuff where Mike Hosking buys his shoes ? It won’t make him upper class, as one has to be born into that – it’s the aristocracy.

            He has probably made it up, as nobody would be that interested and start a rumour about something so boring. He must be quite insecure if he feels the need to show off about these things.

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            • Corky

               /  July 21, 2018

              ”Who gives a stuff where Mike Hosking buys his shoes.”

              You do!

            • Dream on. You might be impressed by him and his boasting, but I don’t think that many people are remotely interested in where he buys shoes, as we have better things to think about.

              I can’t believe that he thinks that anyone gives a damn about this sort of things.

  8. Zedd

     /  July 21, 2018

    I have been watching the ‘Rugby sevens world cup’ today.. (Duke freeview 13) It was good to see they had both men’s & women’s events (from San Fran. USA) at same venue.. 🙂
    also tomorrow & monday too !

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  July 21, 2018

    Should i post again tomorrow PG, nothing seems acceptable today

    Reply
    • If you avoid making unfounded accusations and smearing groups of people you might get through better.

      Reply
      • Gezza

         /  July 21, 2018

        You might get through easier on Kiwiblog Lurch. Tell ’em like it is?

        Reply

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