From Remain to Brexit due to Euro

Missy:

This is a great explanation as to why Brexit is a good thing. This was originally written as a twitter thread, and picked up by a magazine and published as an article. The guy who wrote it voted Remain, he was angry at the result, but now has an understanding as to why the UK needs to leave the EU, and not just leave, but leave cleanly.

Country Squire: From Remain to Out Now

I could never understand why people were anti EU – what a wonderful liberal construct that did so much good in the world. It brought countries together, helped poor ones develop. It made us prouder to be from this continent as we were building something unique.

So, what changed?

In a word, the Euro.

I remember watching horrified as the EU via the ECB removed two heads of state in Italy and Greece. Forced the Irish to take on their entire banking sector’s debt and drove the Greek economy and much of the south into a depression. How could this be happening? The EU were the good guys. They didn’t do this – that was the US; the IMF; the World Bank.

How could all these people be party to this horror? How could they sit by as peoples’ lives were destroyed and, in many cases, finished due to suicide?

This organisation did not give a shit about the south. It was their fault. And I thought “but that is economically illiterate” but by then I had realised they didn’t care – and so we wandered on towards Brexit.

And the results came – we lost! I was angry. So angry that I remember shouting at my best friend who voted leave – and saying he didn’t realise what he had done – I think more in shock – but after I thought you know this could be good this could be what the EU needs – a wake-up call.

And after a time, I began to realise – watching Verhofstadt, Barnier, Tusk et al – they didn’t get it. They didn’t get the anger that was there – for me over Greece and the state of the Euro but for others – migration, democracy, laws. Listening to the shameful descriptions of the UK as an extremist country and that it was an isolated case – I watched election after election and like Chemical Ali they keep parroting the same line – ‘this is an aberration’. Completely ignoring the trends, completely ignoring the facts on the ground and I realised that they were literally cut off from reality – they had no idea what so many people were thinking!

Even if the wanted to know what ‘the people’ thought it would be difficult to understand ordinary people in every country in the EU.

In any case, the bigger the body, the more distant the head gets from the arms and legs.

I want to go vote and hold politicians to account – I want us to trade, cooperate and ally with countries but one where we have control – we the people – and you know what I might lose many of the arguments and this country might not be what I want all the time.

And if those in power get too distant and too arrogant,in democracies people have an ability to rebel via the ballot box.

As for the EU, I feel its dying – the dream started dying 8 years ago and they are damn well doing their best to make sure it stays dead – but you know what … I don’t wish it ill, it doesn’t need any help from me – I just don’t want to be associated with it anymore.

The disadvantages have grown to eclipse the advantages of the EU.

But it starts for me – getting clean Brexit and starting a new exciting conversation – one that I never thought I would suggest we have – it’s strange how life changes you along the way – strange the way important things fade, and new ones emerge.

Regardless of controversy over the Brexit campaign the UK needs to move forward with it.

And a general hope:

But before that – let’s start by being kinder to each other – I have been as guilty as others – but I have realised it is not healthy for me, for others or the country to rage at each other – people hold their views because they care – let’s all try and keep that in mind.

That is good advice for any country. New Zealand political and social discourse would be the better for a kinder approach. The United States in particular, which is struggling with increasing division.

22 Comments

  1. Blazer

     /  July 22, 2018

    condensed=he realised what arseholes big international finance/banks are.

    • Gezza

       /  July 22, 2018

      I think you missed a few things.

      • Blazer

         /  July 22, 2018

        ‘In a word, the Euro.

        I remember watching horrified as the EU via the ECB removed two heads of state in Italy and Greece. Forced the Irish to take on their entire banking sector’s debt and drove the Greek economy and much of the south into a depression. How could this be happening? The EU were the good guys. They didn’t do this – that was the US; the IMF; the World Bank.’

        in a ‘word’.

        • Gezza

           /  July 22, 2018

          Yes I think you maybe stopped reading at that point.

        • David

           /  July 22, 2018

          Blazer it was done by the ECB at the behest of the Germans and was appalling, the IMF cheer led from the sides against all their usual advice of devaluation and market reforms because it was run by the awful Lagarde the former euro supporting french finance minister.

  2. David

     /  July 22, 2018

    Its kinda hard to get ones head around what a terrible negotiator May has been, she is either dead set useless or is a truly appalling person who promised brexit means brexit while secretly planning to try and stay in the EU.
    My Brother is actually toying with voting for Corbyn next time which to me, and to him, is a shocking revelation.

    • David

       /  July 22, 2018

      “Its kinda hard to get ones head around what a terrible negotiator May has been, she is either dead set useless or is a truly appalling person who promised brexit means brexit while secretly planning to try and stay in the EU.”

      Derive intent from the outcome. The later is far more likely than the former.

      • MaureenW

         /  July 22, 2018

        Both are correct – hopefully she’ll be challenged, soon.

    • Blazer

       /  July 22, 2018

      absolutely shocking…David.

      I’m toying with swimming Foveaux strait.

      • Trevors_elbow

         /  July 22, 2018

        Please do…

      • Gezza

         /  July 22, 2018

        Onya bro. Got a date in mind?
        I’ll be rootin for ya! 👍🏼

        • Trevors_elbow

           /  July 22, 2018

          Could do it for charity and we could all sponsor BOL!!!

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  July 22, 2018

            This would be a one-way trip then?

    • Missy

       /  July 25, 2018

      She has been awful, but worse, May and her advisers have completely undermined the Department for Exiting the EU.

      The Department was established ostensibly to negotiate the exit from the EU, however, everything they have proposed or tried to do has been undone by Downing Street, popularly believed to be led by civil servant Ollie Robbins, May’s adviser. And today it was formally announced that May will be taking over as lead negotiator with the EU – something that many believe is a formalising of what has been happening to date, Robbins negotiating. For those that voted Leave it is feeling more and more like a betrayal by May.

  3. The point about the Euro is that it was never intended to be an economic asset; it was always intended to be precisely the economic trap that so many are finally beginning to grasp.

    And the point about the EU is that it was never intended to be “a wonderful liberal construct”; it was always intended to be the exact opposite – a totalitarian state dictated by, and operating for the sole benefit of Germany.

    All the people who spotted this twenty or thirty years ago were reviled as bigots, racists, xenophobes and all the usual detritus that spouts out of the mouths of Lefties whenever anyone who does not have the naivete of a two-year-old points out the screamingly obvious.

    The idea that an organisation set up by the Nazis near the end of the War for the express purpose of enabling Germany to subjugate Europe by economic means, that is run by self-appointed has-been politicians who are paid on a par with popstars and are accountable to no-one, could possibly be seen as “a wonderful liberal construct that did so much good in the world” is simply risible.

    The final straw for me was the European Arrest Warrant, under which I, a free-born Englishman, could now be dragged off by the EU’s Secret Police to an unknown prison on the Continent, with no formal charge, no presumption of innocence and no Habeus Corpus; and no-one in my once-revered country would lift a finger to protect me. What did this have to do with the ‘Common Market’ that gullible Britons were cynically tricked into joining?

    There is no space here to list all the harm and horrors that the EU has caused to its ‘citizens’ and around the world, due to its obsession with becoming the next world-girdling, despotic Superstate, regardless of who suffers in the process. Pulling Britain out will be like rescuing a cat that is drowning in a cess-pit.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 22, 2018

      The fact that the EU is a conspiracy against the world is abundantly clear from the hurdles they are placing on Brexit.

      • Gezza

         /  July 22, 2018

        The idea that it could be a sort of United States of Europe to mimic the US of A as an economic & supra-national entity governing all always seemed to me to be potentially likely to founder on the plethora of different national languages & cultures ending up reasserting their nationhood. The refugee & migrant crisis seems to have brought this about.

        While I understood the economic argument for the UK joining first the Common Market (the UK people are Europeans, just over the ditch) & the closeness of the markets made sense, & then the Shengen Agreement opened their internal borders, which also made sense & was superb for particularly young people to get around & meet their neighbours & work wherever they wanted – I always assumed the EU external borders would be tightly controlled on behalf.

        Naively, I hadn’t realised that their non-EU citizen immigration policies would be dictated to them by the EU, and Germany.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  July 22, 2018

          It is sold as a common market but it is really a federal government.

          • Gezza

             /  July 22, 2018

            The other thing I never expected was that hundreds of years of slowly crafted, well tried & tested UK law, would apparently go out the bloody window & be replaced with law that was simply never tailored to the good lords, ladies, townsfolk, villagers, tradespersons, peasants & sundry artisans of the realm.

    • Missy

       /  July 25, 2018

      Where were you during the referendum debate?? I think the Leave side could have done with a few more of those arguments against the EU being articulated, if they had then the Remain side may not have managed to hijack the media narrative and focus it on immigration.

      The EU is a failed experiment, and those in charge got more and more greedy, and more and more hungry for power, as a result they have moved so far from the people they supposedly work for they have no understanding of how any of them really feel. All they see is their project, their idea of ever closer union, what they can’t – or don’t want – to see is that this ultimate goal will be the downfall of the European continent. Those in the EU claim they are keeping Europe safe from war, but the reality is their policies, their disdain for the ordinary people, their contempt of democracy, and their belief that only they are correct is in fact leading Europe to war. It may not be for another 50 or 100 years, but I believe they are on the path to it.

      • “and those in charge got more and more greedy, and more and more hungry for power, as a result they have moved so far from the people they supposedly work”

        The bigger the political body, the greater the chances of moving more further away and more in isolation from those they are supposed to serve.

        • Missy

           /  July 25, 2018

          And there is no political body in Europe bigger than the EU.