Molyneux and Southern in Melbourne

From Gezza:


Melbourne

The Hume Highway was closed after the protesters gathered at La Mirage Reception and Convention Centre in Somerton, the venue for a talk by Lauren Southern and spilled on to the road. Officers tried to subdue the crowd with pepper spray as they clashed with mounted and riot police.

The Canadian commentator, who is touring with her fellow countryman Stefan Molyneux, is expected to share her controversial views on multiculturalism, Islam, and feminism.

Right-wing activist Neil Erikson filmed protesters before being hauled away from police. He and two other men are charged with affray and riot over an incident outside an event by controversial commentator Milo Yiannopoulos last year.

Ms Southern was expected to cause trouble, with the alt-right YouTube star making headlines since she touched down in Australia. The 23-year-old arrived in Brisbane wearing an “It’s okay to be white” T-shirt, after warning news.com.au she would cause “chaos” with her notorious brand of “free speech”.

The right-winger earlier hit the streets of Melbourne to stir up controversy, although her efforts to generate outrage ahead of her talk tonight appear to have fallen flat.

Even those who bought tickets to the first event of her Australian tour were given minimal detail about where the talk is. In a message to participants, organisers of the event thanked people for their understanding and patience about the secrecy around the location. “The fierce opposition to this event by the extreme left elements of Melbourne has been breathtaking in their determination to make it as difficult as possible for us to bring this tour here,” the message said.

Complicated measures have been introduced to keep the location of Lauren Southern’s talk secret. Source:YouTube

Security around Ms Southern’s talk is reportedly costing organisers thousands with Victoria Police reportedly sending them a $68,000 bill to pay for resources to be used at her show. An email from Victoria Police quotes the total cost as $230,000 but said police would only charge her $67,842.50, News Corp Australia reported.

After violent activists turned Melbourne streets into a war zone during a talk by right-wing speaker Milo Yiannopoulos six months ago, he was also sent a $50,000 bill to cover the heavy police presence.

The Campaign Against Racism and Fascism has organised a protest in Melbourne to “show fascistic ideas will always lose in Melbourne” against Ms Southern’s show. It called her “a notorious racist and Islamophobe”.

On Saturday she appeared on Sky News, making it clear that she was “happy to be white”. “If I were black I could say I’m proud, if I were Asian I could say I’m proud, if I were any other ethnicity I could say I’m proud because that’s how our culture is, but if I’m white and I say I’m proud the media will go nuts,” she said.

More … includes embedded video of protestors swearing, banging on, & trying to stop the bus.

–  Protester rushes stage as activists clash with police at far-right Lauren Southern’s Melbourne event


My take:

She makes a good point & is likely to be sort of correct there, on that last bit about the media “going nuts” if she wore a ” Proud to be white” T-shirt in the US, Canada & Australia. But I don’t know if that’s necessarily true of the UK or New Zealand.

I think “the media” doesn’t actually much care one way or the other that she’d wear a T-shirt saying that. This is sensationalist stuff. It’s clicks and viewers. They are more interested in stirring up & then videoing & showing & reporting on the number & type of violent & abusive “liberal” left wing & Muslim young radicals who will straight away come out, gang up, scream slogans like “Nazis!” & cause mayhem because they hate her.

Because for such people whether all or any of it is true or not doesn’t matter. They don’t like it. They don’t agree with it. They usually can’t just calmly & intelligently dispute or refute it. So they have decided the only thing to do is try & ensure that people mustn’t listen it. That people who do are demonised or scared to do it in case they and/or their property are attacked.

What Southern is doing, like Jordan Peterson is doing, is raising issues like:

  • immigration & border control failures,
  • who should decide immigration policies,
  • what numbers are manageable, and what criteria should be required,
  • whether immigrants should assimilate or not,
  • whether religious or cultural behaviours, beliefs & values of some individuals or groups fundamentally clash with those of Western Europeans & eventually may – or already do seek – to replace Western liberal European values & laws in the areas they dominate
  • what are the costs vs the benefits to the host country of different types of immigrant categories (skills, family, guest workers vs locals)

*Are the increasingly strident claims of extreme, radical, or even now mainstream feminists (whatever that word even means now) that men are suppressing women’s career development & actively or covertly preventing them gaining positions of power & responsibility, access to high-paying jobs, and just basically fundamentally unnecessary as per the famous radical lesbian feminist adage “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle” – actually even TRUE?

Increasing evidence now suggests not. And that this now-longstanding criticising & even demonising of “men” appears to be one cause of the growing incidence of confused, anxious & dysfunctional young men & women in places like the US.

As far as I can tell Southern hasn’t claimed that whites are superior to black or brown people.

She seems to saying that – in the face of now decades of constant criticism & verbal attacks on the ‘cultural domination’ of Western countries by white people (who have actually in recent decades been surprisingly ethnically, religiously & even culturally tolerant – compared to, say, the real, legalised, institutionalised, religiously-prescribed & indoctrinated patriarchal misogynism & intolerance prevalent among Muslim people in countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia etc) – she is actually Proud To Be A White European – & she thinks approved immigrants should only be those who will contribute, not cost, & will assimilate into her own country’s prevailing culture of one law for all, free speech, & otherwise complete colour blindness.

She draws attention in her movie FARMLANDS to the ongoing & unreported anti-white discrimination, & murders & attacks on white farmers in isolated communities in South Africa.

Somebody should. Mandela would.

There’s no case for moral relativism such as “ha ha it’s their turn now” because Whites segregated & controlled the place for decades before they finally, for many reasons – including international sanctions & condemnation – accepted that it was morally wrong & surrendered power to ‘democracy’. A democracy which has rapidly became astoundingly, but not entirely surprisingly, corrupt under black majority rule.

Any government practicing or advocating discrimination, dispossession without compensation, ignoring, or condoning the oppression, repression, or murder of any group who are no threat to the survival or wellbeing of another group is just wrong. Whoever does it. Whenever they do it.

Molyneux is riding the same wave as Southern. However he is also a conspiracist & in my view a generally more suspicious sort of character because he also pushes false & misleading information. But many of his messages deal with the same issues.

They are all issues which I think DO need to be frequently discussed in a free, open, fair, & still-evolving, generally harmonious, democratic society like ours and other similar countries – which want to remain that way.

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73 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  July 22, 2018

    Excellent post, G. She is provoking and exposing the extreme moral bankruptcy and facism of the Left. I don’t see their politicians condemning it.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  July 22, 2018

      Visiting nazis have their fellow travellers who believe they have the moral high grounds…sad really

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  July 22, 2018

        There’s only one side behaving like Nazis here, Lurch, and it’s yours.

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        • lurcher1948

           /  July 22, 2018

          Notice my use of free speech and your ability to oppose my view, isn’t free speech great thats what my dad fought in the WW2 against the nazis for

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          • Grimm

             /  July 22, 2018

            Perhaps given the sacrifice, don’t you think people like you should be more circumspect about labelling people as Nazis?

            Southern and Molyneaux are expressing an opinion, not threatening violence against those with a different opinion. That would be those that you are siding with.

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            • lurcher1948

               /  July 22, 2018

              Sorry folks maybe i should have used knuckle dragging ALT RIGHTWINGERS…ie nazis its all the same righties

      • Gerrit

         /  July 22, 2018

        Is it not perverse that the “fascist” label rolls of the tongue so easily these days.

        Cant argue the toss,so lets add a degenerative label to anyone for free speech.

        Lefties, labeling anyone pro free speech a fascist whilst acting like one themselves. All they need is brown shirts and the leftist as fascist, image would be complete.

        I guess burning books will be next? After all another block to free speech so totally in tune.

        Worth a read

        https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262167/progressive-brownshirts-robert-spencer

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      • Corky

         /  July 22, 2018

        Lurchy, take out the Leftie protesters and what have we got? A peaceful speaking engagement that would suit the Lefts agenda more than a week of protests by anarchists posing as genuine protesters.

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      • MaureenW

         /  July 22, 2018

        Do you not see the irony of your calling these people nazis, while at the same time supporting the denial of their right to speak. Maybe it you that’s the Nazi.

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    • Griff

       /  July 22, 2018

      Find a new word Alan .
      Fascism is a movement on the far right .
      Using it to describe the far left is an oxymoron.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

      As to her rejection of feminism .
      I feel that she is titling at a straw man .
      We see from the #metoo movement that their are still issues with sexual inequality within our society to be addressed. In some industry’s there is a power imbalance that means woman are forced into a subservient role to men. Few would agree that a woman must give sexual favors to merit promotion or ongoing work. Few would agree that forcing your sexuality on the others within the work place is acceptable. Such behavour fails to live up to the universal definition of just. The golden rule . This tells us there is still a necessary place for strong feminists ideas within our society as we strive towards a better world .
      The radical at the fringe are not the movement towards a more equal society they are merely the ends of the distribution of peploe holding such ideals.
      We see the same for instance with Maori rights. Most of us would agree today that Maori had valid complaints of historical injustice. Few however agree with the sort of radical change to our society demand by the most extremist of Maori radicals.
      Extremism is a part of the conversation but it does not make up the entire discussion.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  July 22, 2018

        B.s, Griff. Both far Left and Right tend to fascism – authoritarian beliefs and actions. I’ll keep calling it as I see it.

        As to your degrees of feminism, not much quarrel with that except currently the pendulum has swung too far in schooling and risk aversion.

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  July 22, 2018

          Correct Al. Griff has taken one word out of context. If he had read on he would have noticed you qualified the fascism reference as ‘fascism of the left’.

          Since Griff appears to be a fan of wikipedia here is what they have to say about left-wing fascism. Seems to me it does appear to be a fairly accurate description of the reaction to Molyneux and Southern…

          “Fascism has historically been considered a far-right ideology, but crossovers may be expected according to the horseshoe theory, where the touching point between the far-left and the far-right may be the use of power and/or political terrorism”

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_fascism

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          • PDB

             /  July 22, 2018

            Griff is of ‘above average intelligence’ as he has told us and has this google thing down to a fine art though hasn’t worked out that we can all use google and find something to match our beliefs – like this for instance;

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            • PDB

               /  July 22, 2018

              Fascism is simply socialism mixed with extreme Nationalism – hence NAZI is the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

              The student room:

              “One notable feature of fascism is that in some ways it has been considered similar to socialism, for example it is anti-capitalist, values the community above the individual, is against materialism and believes that leadership should be based on personality not financial power. These ideas were evident in fascist regimes, for example in both Germany and Italy there were attempts to control big business and focus on the collective good, Nazi coins were inscribed with the slogan ‘common good before private good”. It could potentially be argued that nationalism also has similarities to socialism, for example nationalists focus on the good of the nation over the good of the individual and nationalist aims, such as independence or cultural recognition are often not material. However these similarities do not in any sense show that fascism is nothing more than an extreme form of nationalism, it merely demonstrates that there are ideological overlaps between fascism, nationalism and socialism (indeed nationalism has occurred in both fascist and socialist regimes).”

          • Griff

             /  July 22, 2018

            Horse shoe theory does not make a far right Fascist exactly the same as a far left Communist what they share in common is extreme authoritarianism.

            Pagur U
            oh dear
            About as reliable as any other RWNJ blog.

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            • PDB

               /  July 22, 2018

              You predictably attack the source not the argument. No one is saying a far-right fascist is exactly the same as a far-left communist. The word ‘Fascist’ has been misused for years – see my point above – Fascism is at its most basic socialism mixed with extreme Nationalism as shown by NAZI Germany and Mussolini.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  July 22, 2018

              They differ only in who should have power and in that they differ as much within each other as from each other. In the unfortunate instances when they have obtained power they have been as ready to kill their colleagues as their enemies. They proclaim the common good while seeking their own but unlike classic liberalism their systems don’t allow others to do the same.

          • FarmerPete

             /  July 22, 2018

            The term Nazi derived from National Socialists German Workers Party. It is a common misconception that Nazis were actually right wing. I find that when others use labels like racist, nazi, fascist, homophobic etc, etc it is a way of denying their ‘adversary’ of the right to speak, and therefore not having to deal with the arguments put forward.

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      • Gezza

         /  July 22, 2018

        I worked for pur public service for 34 years. I worked in two departments and in many different roles & divisions or service areas in that time. Including one year with an Appeal Authority that consisted entirely of lawyers.

        I had roughly the same number of male as female supervisors or unit managers in that time. When I rate them as either good or bad in terms of what they achieved and what they were like to work for – gender-wise they come out evenly split.

        I was propositioned by a female boss & I took her up on it twice.There was no hint of coercion. She just wanted to sleep with me if I was up for it. I was married at the time, but going thru a rough patch. My wife never found out & I’m so very, very happy that she didn’t because I loved her very much & ended up doing everything I could possibly do to help keep her alive & have as good a life as possible for her last 9 years.

        We had numerous CEO’s and General Managers. Some were good, some bad, according to the same criteria as above. We had one female General Manager. She wasn’t just bad, she was a disaster, & was dismissed (& I think may have even ended up in Court for matters related to her employment after I retired). She was our first politically correct General Manager appointee & had absolutely none of the skills or experience actually required for the job.

        So, in my public service working experience I saw no evidence that women were in any way discriminated against. I never came across any case of sexual favours being demanded or offered in return for promotion. The only case of sexual harrassment male on female I knew of was one male staff member calling a female employee a crude name & he got reported & done over for in accordance with the policy against it.

        There seemed to be few women who actually wanted GM or CEO roles, but those who did & sold themselves well can & have done it. Plenty of Senior Group / Managers were females.

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      • David

         /  July 22, 2018

        “We see from the #metoo movement that their are still issues with sexual inequality within our society to be addressed.”

        The metoo movement is about a bunch of women who got spectacularly famous and wealthy via the casting couch complaining about being replaced by younger women getting spectacularly famous and wealthy via the casting couch.

        It may be inequality, but there are bigger issues for women I would have thought.

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  2. Grimm

     /  July 22, 2018

    Ironic isn’t it, that these lefties get themselves into a blind rage against westerners criticising multi-culturalism. A blind rage on behalf of cultures which would never have a bar of multi cuturalism.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  July 22, 2018

      The lefties appear to be running NZ now and they are letting nazis in and I remember the National party banned people coming in so maybe its the right scared of free speech

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      • Grimm

         /  July 22, 2018

        Who did they ban Lurch? And for what reasons?

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        • lurcher1948

           /  July 22, 2018

          A rapper whom they considered was a threat to law and order

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          • Grimm

             /  July 22, 2018

            You have no idea do you. Making shit up.

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            • lurcher1948

               /  July 22, 2018
            • Grimm

               /  July 22, 2018

              Here’s a saying of his lyrics…

              I’ll crash that fucking airplane that that f*ggot nigga B.o.B is in
              And stab Bruno Mars in his goddamn esophagus
              And won’t stop until the cops come in.

              He’s also incited fans to riot previously.

              I’m sorry that you can’t see the difference between him and Lauren Southern.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  July 23, 2018

              That was also a departmental decision, not a political one. Immigration NZ banned the entry. We didn’t have the Prime Minister saying he didn’t want views he disagreed with in NZ.

          • MaureenW

             /  July 22, 2018

            Only 2 that I know chis brown was one of them (convicted on assault charges) not sure who the other one was, maybe you know

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          • PDB

             /  July 22, 2018

            From memory Chris Brown was also banned from the UK and Aussie due to a conviction for assault and Mike Tyson was banned from NZ for rape – comparing apples and oranges there Lurch.

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    • Grimm

       /  July 22, 2018

      Another irony is that these will be the same ones buying tickets to visiting hip hop artists with lyrics full of hoe’s, niggas, rape, drugs and shootings.

      I figured out how to protest that shit. Stay home and watch the rugby.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  July 22, 2018

      @Grimm – “A blind rage on behalf of cultures which would never have a bar of multi cuturalism.”

      And “The appropriate rage of, and on behalf of, cultures who, with the benefit of hindsight, would likely have never had a bar of biculturalism either” …

      IMHO, the one’s buying tickets to visiting hip hop artists will be the non-political vast majority of Aotearoa New Zealanders … for whom this ‘music’s’ lyrics and attitudes express ‘stuff’ which the establishment’s rugby, booze, violent competition, commodification, commercialism and escapist culture has imbued them with …

      So keep the kids home watching rugby as well … It’s the advertising they need …

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      • Gezza

         /  July 22, 2018

        Grimm / July 22, 2018
        Here’s a saying of his lyrics…

        I’ll crash that fucking airplane that that f*ggot nigga B.o.B is in
        And stab Bruno Mars in his goddamn esophagus
        And won’t stop until the cops come in.

        He’s also incited fans to riot previously.

        I’m sorry that you can’t see the difference between him and Lauren Southern.

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  3. Blazer

     /  July 22, 2018

    the suitable T-shirt for her would be…’I’m Proud To Be Blond.’

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  5. David

     /  July 22, 2018

    “What Southern is doing, like Jordan Peterson is doing, is raising issues like:”

    I can’t say I’ve ever seen Peterson talk much about immigration. He does point out that the great danger of identity politics is that at some point a mass-movement will say “fine, identity politics it is” and turn it around into backlash.

    “Molyneux is riding the same wave as Southern”

    Molyneux has been around for quite a while at the creepier end of what is, loosely, the ‘men’s movement’, he has clearly seen an opportunity here.

    Nobody would have noticed the two of them if it had not been for the nonsensical protests and circus they provoke.

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    • Gezza

       /  July 22, 2018

      I agree Jordan Peterson doesn’t particulary talk about immigration but he does cover similar matters about the claims of strident feminism that these two also do. And Molyneux has cited him. Peterson is also provocative and combative in his style & subtly plays up the manliness thing.

      He also clinically states – frequently – that what women inately do & have always done is raise children, & that to do this they simply partner up with as high income-earning a man as they can get because statistics show that for most – not all – that’s their natural choice or instinct. He contends – in his clinical but provocative style – that they simply arrange for an income earning man to transfer his wealth to them for the purpose of funding their choice to stay home and raise their children.

      And, he says there’s nothing wrong with that. That men and women are complementary, have been throughout history, & that men accept this unstated bargain.

      He states frequently, also, that he opposes liberal left governments, & blames the sexual revolution & feminists for the situation which now encourages women to destroy the traditional bargain system, have children, leave or never partner up with the fathers & then use the ‘system’ he blames on liberal governments to still transfer money from (mostly) men to pay for their choice of lifestyle.

      I could have used Tommy Robinson, or possibly Nigel Farage to compare Southern to, but then I’d have to get into being equally specific about them & I thought it was long enuf already & my issues list broad enuf to cover the general points I hoped to get people’s comments on.

      I’m know I’m not the greatest writer of opinion pieces, David. I ask PG by email if he wants to make a long comment of mine a guest post if he thinks its good / clear & interesting enuf to be worth posting.

      I wish I had his level of fast incisive analytical & expression skills.

      I know thru emails that he’s very busy & has limited time to write posts some days. So I’m happy to help add to his site if I’ve got something that might be of interest.

      I’d love to see more from others. We have some really excellent clear thinkers & interesting writers posting here. And they don’t have to be as long as mine was this time.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  July 22, 2018

      @David – “Molyneux has been around for quite a while at the creepier end of what is, loosely, the ‘men’s movement’, he has clearly seen an opportunity here.”

      A most extraordinarily revealing comment on several levels …

      The lack of public ethics in economics makes all life into a ‘marketplace’ – the ambition of which is to commercialize absolutely everything – where one need only look for “an opportunity” – meaning an opportunity to make one’s ‘self’ money – rather than a chance to do any public or common good …

      If there’s such an opportunity, we generally don’t pass it up because the harm outweighs the good …

      Similarly, I suppose, a lack of private ethics or ‘morality’ means there’s a “creepier end” to the Men’s Movement …

      The personal moral vacuum, if you will, is a pre-requisite of the societal immorality which pervades the economic … or vice-versa … the economic which infects the societal …

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      • PartisanZ

         /  July 22, 2018

        Let’s make no mistake here … that viral ‘infection’ or economic contagion or septic greed corruption was born in the social laboratories of the Feudal, Military, Capitalist, Corporate-Political Elitist Plutocratic Right-Wing …

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      • David

         /  July 22, 2018

        Um…..what now?

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  6. David

     /  July 22, 2018

    “I could have used Tommy Robinson, or possibly Nigel Farage to compare Southern to, but then I’d have to get into being equally specific about them”

    Not sure either of these work for me either! I really think Southern and Molyneux are opportunists, hitching their trailers to a deep discontent that has been opened up by the likes of Peterson et al. As you say, riding the wave.

    “I’m know I’m not the greatest writer of opinion pieces, David. I ask PG by email if he wants to make a long comment of mine a guest post if he thinks its good / clear & interesting enuf to be worth posting.”

    They read well. Good idea to have a go at the top of the page.

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  8. wooden goat

     /  July 22, 2018

    “….police would only charge her $67,842.50”

    Oh, how “kind” of them!

    What will be next? Rape victims being charged because their clothing was “too provocative”?

    Burglary victims being charged because their possessions were “too tempting”?

    By this action, the police had solidified the “heckler’s veto”.
    Now, if any group finds out about a speaker that they don’t like, all that they have to do is to threaten to show up and cause disruption and the police will bill the speaker for merely exercising their right to free speech!

    The UK police already arrest any UK citizen who speaks out against Islam and they have people monitoring the net to find such speech. “Police state”, anyone? It looks like Australia is going the same way.

    I have laid an official complaint against the Victoria Police for their action. Anyone else who wants to do this can do so here –
    http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=11933#01%20Effective%20Police%20Service%20Delivery

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    • Gezza

       /  July 22, 2018

      Are you an Ocker?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 22, 2018

      It’s one thing to charge for policing of a show’s customers but quite another to charge for its opponents. They should be charging the protest organisers.

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  July 22, 2018

    You can watch two agent provocateur altright wing Canadians or watch the master of the art of stirring the souls of the right who wish for better…days

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    • Grimm

       /  July 22, 2018

      Epic disconnect. Two weeks of discussion and the whole lot has gone completely over your head.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  July 22, 2018

        Your idea of free speech and mine are not the same but THIS IS CALLED FREE SPEECH, when the right get angry they go feral… trouble getting over not been in power

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        • Corky

           /  July 22, 2018

          Talking of Reichs , Lurchy, I can’t wait for Nationals to start in 2020.

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        • Gezza

           /  July 22, 2018

          I don’t think they’re righties screaming abuse & banging on the bus & threatening to abuse & harrass Southern & Molyneux & anyone who wants to go & listen to what they they have to say if they come here, Lurch. Righties tend to seek airtime to explain their objections seek legal decisions if they think people’s rights are being abused.

          Most lefties do the same.

          Alt righties might be abusive online shitheads, but so are alt lefties. Are you an alt lefty Lurch, do you think? Or how would you describe yourself, politically?

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          • lurcher1948

             /  July 22, 2018

            Middle of the road Gezza,have voted National,Labor and NZF

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            • Gezza

               /  July 22, 2018

              Why did you vote National, you bloody traitor?

    • Gezza

       /  July 22, 2018

      Thanks Lurch. That really surprised me. The demonising of the previous government & socialist rhetoric & appeals for all clases, & religions & peoples to work together for the good of the whole of German society sounded far closer to Labour & Green Party conference speeches than anything I’ve heard of Nationals’.

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      • Gezza

         /  July 22, 2018

        And even closer to Winston’s speeches, now I think about it.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  July 22, 2018

      For me it’s really only about politicians actions matching their words … Hitler’s clearly didn’t …

      His nationalistic words were accompanied by a reign of terror for dissidents, differdents* (gay, disabled etc), Jews, Slovaks, most of non-Ayrian Europe and then much of the world …

      Almost no politicians’ actions do match their words … some do more than others …

      Michael Joseph Savage moreso than most perhaps?

      * # 164

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  July 23, 2018

      Give him his dues – Hitler was one hell of an orator.
      All very socialist ideals in those speeches, although he was equal opportunity from my recollection – railing against communism and capitalism in equal measure.
      But it wasn’t the speeches that led to his rise – it was the brown shirts, the violence, the back room deals and the forceful suppression of opposition through the “enabling act” that allowed the Third Reich to do what they did.

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  July 22, 2018

    Love the down ticker, a truly positive person

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    • Gezza

       /  July 22, 2018

      They just might not like Hitler’s speeches as much as you must’ve to want to post them. I think he was an absolute arsehole, but it’s interesting that he didn’t start out that way in those speeches. He led people into believing he was a socialist & not a communist / bolshevik.

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    • Corky

       /  July 22, 2018

      Cheer up, Lurchy. I once got 20 downticks. I think it was a record. Don’t fixate on nothing.

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  11. lurcher1948

     /  July 22, 2018

    Its hard been a free thinker and free speech lover with so many sour rightwing voters still sucking on bitter lemons after losing out to LABOR and Winston Peters and having Simon Bridges as their”tempory leader”not much to look forward to, 2 Nazi Canadians are not the cure folks and neither is crusher keep sucking on those lemons as im living the dream and you lot are paying for it.

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    • Corky

       /  July 22, 2018

      Don’t you worry, son. National will curtail that dream starting with the Energy Payment. You will go from buying the grand kids toys at the Warehouse sales…to knocking some off-cuts together and making toys using milk bottle tops for wheels.

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    • Gezza

       /  July 23, 2018

      Actually, Lurch you paid for it, throughout your working life – it’s just that the bastards spent spent a lot of the money you gave them for it on other stuff.

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