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  1. Corky

     /  July 22, 2018

    How not to handle Liberals. Tommy walked into this. Being in the audience isn’t a good place to be. He should have been onstage. He was gang banged, even though he gave a good account of himself.

    Molyneux and Southern, should they host a similar event, would be in control. And, given the situation in the clip, could have rammed home the question: What did Tommy say that was racist?

    A wider question needs to be asked: What comes next for the supposed Alt Rght? They run the risk of being another fad that people lose interest in. And what happens if the liberal left is completely demolished? So what?

    When you think about it, it boils down to individual sovereignty and the right to free will provided exercising that free will doesn’t impinge, or hurt, others right to their sovereignty.

    Sounds great, except governments don’t want you being empowered with that bs. And neither do different groups of people with a variety of causes who demand you live and act in a certain way.

    And so we go around in a never ending circle of nothingness.

  2. PartisanZ

     /  July 22, 2018

    Our future may not be in Tech Innovation after all …?

    Liam Dann: Dumbing down – New Zealand economy not getting smarter – NZHeraldo

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12091676

    As much as any actual dumbing-down, this article points to our utter obsession with measuring ‘progress’ in terms of a) Economic growth and proportions of GDP only, and b) Unending competitive comparison with the other so-called ‘developed nations’ and c) Narrow measures of ‘intelligence’

    Even a rank amateur like me can think up some sound ideas as to why New Zeal Land might slip a few points in the GII –

    – Technological advancement globally has momentarily ‘plateaued’ or just slowed …
    – Zeal Land Inc may be ‘consolidating’ some already initiated projects rather than developing new ones … or, not wasting time, energy and money on projects with no future … (indeed, doing the latter could involve computer modeled feasibility studies which may not have counted in GII because they went no further?)
    – New government funding is aimed at the primary sector and or infrastructure repair and development … mainly for tourists …
    – New private investment is following industry trends – into pasture, pine and tourism – or following the government funding into pasture, pine and tourism?
    – Gen Z (who also debut in the Herald this morning) may have already discerned the limits &/or downsides of TechOCD and be putting their time, energy and money elsewhere …?
    – Etc …

    Dann recognizes this in a sort of way …

    “At 22nd New Zealand is still ranked by the GII as an innovation leader.

    “Most economies have a linear relationship between innovation inputs and outputs,” the reports says. “But there are important outliers that strongly over or under-deliver with respect to obtaining ‘bang for their buck’.”

    New Zealand is one of those outliers.”

    • Corky

       /  July 22, 2018

      It’s all about demographics, Parti. The rest is window dressing. We are getting dumber on all levels you care to mention. It’s only individual sparks in this dark morass who keep NZ Inc looking good on the books and on the international stage. Of course as your link shows, that can’t last for ever.

    • Gezza

       /  July 22, 2018

      – Gen Z (who also debut in the Herald this morning) may have already discerned the limits &/or downsides of TechOCD and be putting their time, energy and money elsewhere …?

      When I saw that, I thought, jeez. We’re at Z already. Gen Z’s kids are gonna have a helluva time working out where they stand, alphabetically.,And then I thought, no – hang on – the way things are going, they can maybe just end up calling themselves Gen LGBTQRSTUV … & the next generation after that can just add another gender and another letter, and so on?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  July 22, 2018

        Careful, G. Reading the HoS might damage your IQ.

        • Gezza

           /  July 22, 2018

          Weird day weatherwise, 4 seasons in one day stuff. Not doing much. I must find this GenZ article Parti speaks of.

        • Gezza

           /  July 22, 2018

          Ha! Before I looked I thought “My guess is they’re all gonna want to be running their own online businesses & as a sideline or even hopefully eventually a main occupation making a fortune becoming famous & intensely popular for some fantastically clever or wacky idea or song, or ther their bum or good looks or their outrageousness like Kardashians, Molyneux, Southern, Trump …

          And bingo.

          It says they’re socially conscious. I hope so. I know I am. Unless they mean socially as in obsessed with how they look online. Be nice for the future to have another generation interested in finding themselves, being themselves. loving everyone, loving the environment, wanting everyone older to know how out of date & dumb & irrelevant they are compared to them, like ours did.

          Hopefully they won’t all still be living at home when they’re 30, if they’re a pain.

  3. Corky

     /  July 22, 2018

    Welcome to Maoridom, Mr Little. Like your colleagues of yore, you will learn to dislike Maoris intensely.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/07/after-insulting-aussies-now-hes-insulting-ngapuhi/

    • lurcher1948

       /  July 22, 2018

      Another quality Sir Key and the national party import,throw him out Labor we don’t need him

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 22, 2018

      Yes, why should owning something give you any rights to it?

      • Blazer

         /  July 22, 2018

        dead right Al…sell up the whole bloody place to foreigners….we can carry their bags and chauffeur them around.Only because they create jobs by bringing their moolah here though.How lucky are…we.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  July 22, 2018

          If your ambition in life is to chauffeur why does it matter who your boss is? If it isn’t, why does it matter who your customers are or where they live?

    • PDB

       /  July 22, 2018

      “Lauer is legally entitled to be compensated for the easement – and Federated Farmers has swung its support behind him, fearful of the precedent if he were forced to grant access for free.”

      So the article is about tax payers having to pay money they are legally entitled to pay if changes are made to access over the property.

      “Lauer has partly opened up Hunter Valley Station to the public, complying with conditions set by the Overseas Investment Office when he bought the farm last year.

      So he already allows public access as part of his agreement to buy.

      “He says Lauer wouldn’t have bought the farm if he couldn’t control access to the road, which runs right by the station homestead”

      Fair enough.

      • Blazer

         /  July 22, 2018

        Buy it back off him then!

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  July 22, 2018

          That’s exactly what the Left are refusing to do. In South African terms they want expropriation without compensation. And DoC already owns one-third of the country and manages it abysmally in consequence.

      • PartisanZ

         /  July 22, 2018

        Set the legal precedent asap … The Ramblers Association achieved amazing things in the UK – ‘The Right to Roam’ – although they now face a challenge maintaining membership apparently … encouraging the FaceBook generation to go walking …

        http://www.ramblers.org.uk/about-us/our-history.aspx

        “The ’right to roam’, however, still eluded walkers in England and Wales, and, in 1985, we launched the Forbidden Britain campaign to set this right. In 2000, the Countryside and Rights of Way Act (known as CRoW) finally succeeded in securing public access to mountain, moor, heath and downland.”

        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/feb/01/ramblers-association-new-generation

        • Gezza

           /  July 22, 2018

          That sounds like a good initiative to me.

        • PartisanZ

           /  July 22, 2018

          Enclosure of the commons, which went hand-in-hand with much vaunted ‘private property’, was a form of ‘home’ or own-nation ‘class’ colonization …

          If it were happening today someone might even call it a “trial run” …?

          • Gezza

             /  July 22, 2018

            Sounds like prising the kids away from their social media & online gaming to get out there & use it is a problem, sadly. The way of the Gen Z’s?

  4. Gezza

     /  July 22, 2018

    Just had an earthquake in North Welly. Wonder who else did.
    1515 hours.

    • Gezza

       /  July 22, 2018

      Earthquake Details

      When Sun Jul 22 2018 3:14 PM
      Where 25 km north-west of Picton
      Shaking Light
      Magnitude 5.2
      Depth 93 km
      Quality good

      • Zedd

         /  July 22, 2018

        take care gezza

        • Gezza

           /  July 22, 2018

          Comparitively gentle, rolling / rotating one, Zedd. No jolts, bangs or things rattling. A couple of timbers creaked. Went on for a wee while.

          If I’d been outside doing something I probably wouldn’t have noticed it.

          We’ve had some pretty damaging, scary jolts from the Seddon series & the Kaikoura quake that rattled & shook the place & knocked a few things over inside. I always wait to see if they’re building in intensity & I need to dive under an archway or hang on to something. Those ones did.

  5. Zedd

     /  July 22, 2018

    Congrats to Black fern 7s.. won the world cup; 1st backtoback 🙂
    France 2nd, Aust 3rd

    • Great performance from them in the final. Good haka afterwards too.

      One of the highlights for me – after all the medals had been handed out and the #sevenssisters had their photos they got the French and Aussie players up with them on the podium for a joint photo and celebration.

      • Zedd

         /  July 22, 2018

        tautoko PG, all 3 final teams ‘sharing the limelight’ 😉

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  July 22, 2018

        Where were the Americans?

  6. Gezza

     /  July 22, 2018

    1ewes is reporting that the UN has described New Zealand’s treatment of women in the Family Courts as shocking. Jackie Blue described to some Committe there numerous examples of them being abused by lawyers & judges, not listened to, their allegations of domestic violence & abuse not being believed.

    I haven’t got a clue what’s going on. I keep hearing stories & complaints from men who claim the whole system is too biased towards women & THEY don’t get listened to or believed when they tell the court their ex-partner is abusive and violent & constantly runs them down to their chikdren & tries to stop them seeing their kids.

    Luckily Andrew Little says there is to be a review of whole The Family Court system. I hope it’s hearing from both men & women.

    • Corky

       /  July 22, 2018

      ”I haven’t got a clue what’s going on. I keep hearing stories & complaints from men who claim the whole system is too biased towards women.”

      Same here. This is news to me. Also news is the fact Jackie Blue has become politically correct. I can’t stand ex Righties who go limp. It makes me wonder why they were Righties in the first place. Her crime…talking of ”wahine in New Zealand.” Nothing much you may say. But such language usually supports a raft of other changes. Terrible.

      • Gezza

         /  July 22, 2018

        I’ll give an example, seeing it’s fresh in my mind. I picked up my car a couplevof weeks ago – had a cracked sump & was leaking oil like there was an olympic event for it.

        The service department dude I’ve known for years: he’d rung to say he’d sourced a 2nd hand one that knocked $80 off the estimated cost thst morning. In his 40’s. Well known. Nice chap. Ma thinks he’s a lovely guy & she’s not easily fooled.

        He asked how things were going as ya do when ya blokes & I saud pretty good except I was getting a ruff time from some asshole on a political blog & if he kept it up I might end up needing counselling because I’m bloody sensitive & everyone knows that!

        So I asked him how about you? He said I’m good mate, great. I’m a free man. What? Has your divorce come thru? I didn’t know you’d separated. Man, really sorry to hear that. Who’s got the kids? (He’s got three)

        I’ve been living with my mum & dad for the last 12 months, Gez. Look mate, It’s the best thing that could’ve happened, honestly. It’s just been a nightmare for years. And looking at the bright side of it, I’ve got three absolutely wonderful kids.

        How often do you get to see them, & are you up for maintenance? Yep, we sorted that out before now. They’re my kids:my responsibility. I’m happy to pay maintenance for them. But something that’s really pissed me off is I just found my eldest boy, the 14 year old, told her he wanted to come & live with me, & she told him if you do that – you’ll never see me again.

        He didn’t want to say any more. He’s a good-looking young guy. I said well mate, you’re young, if you’re lonely there’ll be someone else out there that’ll want you, I’m sure.

        Nah Gez. I’m better off staying single, I’ve got a bad track record. This is my 2nd. I just end up picking crazies. I’ve got no radar.

        • Poor man ! His ex sounds appallingly spiteful and manipulating. What a burden to
          hand to a boy of 14. Choose your dad or choose me. What a bitch.

          I have always heard that the Family Court tends to be biassed towards women, and haven’t heard anything to the contrary. I don’t KNOW, of course, but given that women almost always have custody, it seems likely. One must hope that the accusations of molestation, used to vilify the father, are no longer automatically believed.

          It’s a good thing that that man now knows his weakness where relationships are concerned, So often people go from one bad partner to a virtual clone next time.

          I remember reading a sad little statement in a magazine article about broken families; that being a father with visiting rights is like being an uncle (said by a father in that position)

          • Gezza

             /  July 22, 2018

            I realise I’m only getting his side of the story Kitty. But I’ve known him for years. He’s a ” Here’s my kids, Gez” (phone pics) bloke, always has been. Rare, one beer on a Friday after work every now & then, straight home to mum & the kids over in The Hutt every other work night. Takes kids to sports, goes to PTAs. Just seemed like your archetypal good husband & dad. I wanted to know more but he was hurting & I didn’t want to pry.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 23, 2018

              I hate the idea of anyone making the children choose between their parents in that way. He’s still their father. I suppose that if the son lived with the mother, she would miss out on the $$$.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 22, 2018

      I don’t think its secrecy serves justice or any party involved. I understand the desire to protect children but I don’t think it does. It just leaves them at the mercy of adults they have no control over.

  7. What a bizarre story about the WWI ANZAC soldier being buried without his head so that a US museum could have it as an exhibit. Talk about indignity to human remains. I bet that no permission to remove the head was asked or given.