Bridges still supports benefit sanctions ‘to motivate to work’

Beneficiary sanctions remain a point of difference between National and the government.

 

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  1. PDB

     /  July 23, 2018

    Kiri Allen is typical of the left – some sanctions need to be put in place for such things as repeatedly not making appointments with case managers and the like or the whole system totally fails over. It’s not being “tough on welfare” as welfare is a two-way street – taxpayers give money to those that require it whilst those same people make an effort to improve their own position in life.

    The fact she also thinks the Shane Jones slush fund is in any way a good thing that should be kept shows she has no idea what she is talking about.

    Wouldn’t be the first time she was wrong though…

    • Traveller

       /  July 23, 2018

      Kiri is the “special one”, the woman demanding more than the already paid for 12 flights to Wellington per year for MPs partners.

      These leftists inhabit a parallel universe. In what employment environment are the partners/families of employees even lucky enough to be extended this privilege in the first place?

      What makes her and her colleagues family lives more important than the rest of us she thinks she can have unfettered access to even more of our money, when we all have to pay our own way to manage family situations?

      The elitism, the innate sense of privilege is huge in that one.

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12086585

      • duperez

         /  July 23, 2018

        When did the rules around this come in? Why?
        I suggest you get in touch with Parliamentary Services, your local MP or whoever and start movement to change the rules to get rid of the parallel universe. Start a petition, do something rather than just bitch.

        • Kiri Allan’s wife is looking after their baby in Whakatane, and Kiri Allan says that the allowed flights are not enough…she doesn’t think of paying for these herself. Or bringing wife and baby to live with her.

          Her tweet is childish in tone and very undignified. It’s most unbecoming to an MP to speak like this, and I’d say that no matter who it was.

          I can’t see why Jacinda Ardern is a legend. She isn’t influential and doesn’t seem to have been missed. I believe that she will sink without trace, having achieved sweet FA.

        • NOEL

           /  July 23, 2018

          duperez. The Higher Salaries Commission does not source public viewpoints.

          • duperez

             /  July 23, 2018

            Traveller thinks the privilege he quotes is unfair. Not trying to do something constructive about getting rid of it would suggest that gripe is just a whinge and a grizzle. The mere fact of the Higher Salaries Commission not sourcing public viewpoints putting them off, would suggest it’s a pathetic politically motivated whinge and grizzle.

        • You need to take a good look at yourself and your pointless bullying.

          “…… start movement to change the rules to get rid of the parallel universe. Start a petition, do something rather than just bitch.”

  2. Grimm

     /  July 23, 2018

    “stuff the regions and scrap the provincial growth fund”

    Framing crony capitalism, corruption, and pork barrelling as being a vote winner.

    Good luck with that.

    • Blazer

       /  July 23, 2018

      bene bashing , tough on crime ,fawning over wealthy individuals…Nationals 3 pronged strategy.

      • Guess what. Some of us believe that the so-called safety net has been enlarged to include layabouts and made it easy for downright fraudsters. . Some of us also believe that this safety net does nothing to encourage people to be independent, self reliant productive members of society and that people like this are a drain on society’s resources.

        I’m in that camp and I reckon the Metiria Turei episode showed that Minot a wilderness voice.

        Some of us also believe that appointing a woman whose mother was convicted of serious welfare fraud to be the Minister of the MSD portfolio, have her wind back checks and measures shows deep conflict of interest in action.

        • Gezza

           /  July 23, 2018

          Turn off autocorrect.

        • Blazer

           /  July 23, 2018

          some of us also think we are not our brothers keeper and the sins you commit are yours alone.
          Btw has Doug Graham still got his…knighthood.?

        • duperez

           /  July 23, 2018

          Speaking of safety nets being enlarged to include layabouts and made it easy for downright fraudsters and safety nets doing nothing to encourage people to be independent, self reliant productive members of society:

          “Ex-Hawkins firms owe $41m: liquidators”

          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12088319

      • Don’t know who my iPhone spellcheck thinks Minot is but I meant to say “I’m not”

        • I wondered who Minot was (seriously)

          I turn spellcheck off, it’s a bloody nuisance.

          • Gezza

             /  July 23, 2018

            Eye leave spell cheque on, butt aye tern auto core wrecked toff.

            • Griff

               /  July 24, 2018

              “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.”
              Charles Caleb Colton

              You dont want to know the Oscar Wild addendum.

            • Gezza

               /  July 24, 2018

              Yeah, I do. Oscar could be a bit of a comedian. What is it?

            • Griff

               /  July 24, 2018

              “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”- Oscar Wilde
              Told you. Even I thought it was a bit much.

            • Gezza

               /  July 24, 2018

              Lol. I like old Osky: He’s such an arrogant prick & all sorts of people think he should be taken seriously.

  3. NOEL

     /  July 23, 2018

    This topic has been researched to death over the last two decades.
    The outcome. Glossy figure reductions of the unemployed who have moved into low pay insecure work if any is available in their area.

  4. Zedd

     /  July 23, 2018

    Bridges is apparently trying to present a ‘slightly softer Tory face’ on the enviro. & other social issues.. but on this; keeping up their typical ‘beneficiary bashing’ standards !

    btw; all beneficiaries do have obligations, to ensure they are entitled to continued payments.. the stuff the right-wing put out, about ; the Left are SOFT on this.. is just plain politicking to the extreme right, who would likely just prefer to yell “GET BACK TO WORK.. YA LAZY BLUDGERS”
    …while calling for more tax-cuts for their rich mates !! 😦

    • Grimm

       /  July 23, 2018

      GET BACK TO WORK.. YA LAZY BLUDGER

    • Hardly bene bashing.
      Just another slogan like “far right” and “racist”. He’s the leader of the biggest party on this country having an opinion and hopefully holding your lot to account

    • What is extreme right to expect beneficiaries to turn up for appointments and furnish the name of their sperm facilitator so that sperm daddy can pay the generous government back the small pittance of totalsaid child will cost the state to raise?

      • Blazer

         /  July 23, 2018

        there are a number of people living ‘the good life’ whose only claim to any fame is…’lucky sperm’.

        • Don’t be so hard on yourself mate

          • There is already provision for the victims of rape (brave girls to have the baby), incest and violence to not name names.

            I was unimpressed with the mother of several who was interviewed on this and who thought it totally unreasonable that she would be expected to remember who the father/s might be….it was (?) years ago ! How can anyone be expected who she had sex with after all that time ? Or what their names were ? Geez, Wayne, be reasonable !

          • Blazer

             /  July 23, 2018

            stick this on your…fridge..

            ‘When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”

            ― Napoléon Bonaparte

            • Grimm

               /  July 23, 2018

              “their sole object is gain”

              Absolutely.

              Your standard of living, even the technology and thousands of transactions that enable you to comment on this blog, is based on the necessary condition that resources follow the gains, not the losses.

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2018

              Didn’t he lose his money in Russia?

            • Gezza

               /  July 23, 2018

              *No collusion* tho.

            • Blazer

               /  July 23, 2018

              @Grimm…you missed the…point.

            • Grimm

               /  July 23, 2018

              Your point was 200 years old.

            • Blazer

               /  July 24, 2018

              big crime boss..

  5. Gezza

     /  July 23, 2018

    I wish these twitterers would hold off until they can post links to the sctual items in their twits. Here’s the boy himself:

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/07/sanctions-motivate-beneficiaries-to-get-jobs-simon-bridges.html

    • Gezza

       /  July 23, 2018

      “He said the aim wasn’t to be “tough”.

      “It was about making sure we had expectations on beneficiaries that would lead to better lives for them. This Government’s going soft in this area – it’s a bit like crime, it won’t work. It’ll mean more beneficiaries, more people languishing on the dole queue, when we’ve actually got low unemployment in this country. It’s a tragedy.”

      Last year, Newshub Nation revealed Ministry of Social Development reports addressed to then-minister Anne Tolley argued sanctions didn’t work, and actually cause greater long-term welfare dependency.

      International research has come to much the same conclusion. A five-year study in the UK recently concluded sanctions “do little to enhance people’s motivation to prepare for, seek or enter paid work”, the Guardian reported in May.”
      … ….

      If we’ve got low unemployment, does that mean lots of decent, full-time jobs for benes are available? He doesn’t say that.

      • PDB

         /  July 23, 2018

        In the industries I work with there are heaps of jobs with good starting rates and ability to progress up the chain quickly if showing a willingness to work – no experience required as all training provided. Unfortunately all they are getting are ‘workers’ not wanting to work who are then quickly moved on at great expense to those companies. Many can’t even be bothered turning up at the 7.30am start time. This is in the Auckland/Waikato areas.

      • PDB

         /  July 23, 2018

        Gezza: “International research has come to much the same conclusion. A five-year study in the UK recently concluded sanctions “do little to enhance people’s motivation to prepare for, seek or enter paid work”

        Guardian: “The Economic and Social Research Council-funded welfare conditionality study was carried out between 2013 and 2018 by researchers at six universities. It included repeat qualitative interviews over two years with 481 welfare service users in England and Scotland as well as interviews with 57 policy experts and 27 focus groups.”

        Draw your own conclusions as to the worthiness of the study here: http://www.welfareconditionality.ac.uk/

        • Gezza

           /  July 24, 2018

          Our project gave evidence to the Commons Work & Pensions Committee inquiry into benefit sanctions.

          Key points in evidence included:

          Welfare conditionality in the form of benefit sanctions is routinely ineffective in facilitating people’s entry into, or progression within, the paid labour market over time.
          In contrast, appropriate personalised support is pivotal in triggering and sustaining such movements into paid work.

          Our Director Professor Peter Dwyer was also invited to give oral evidence to a committee hearing as part of the inquiry.

          He told MPs that welfare conditionality does not move disabled people into work – ‘so we should concentrate on support’. Benefit sanctions for this group are inappropriate, he said, and should be ended.
          … … ….
          We had it here. It used to be called the Employment Service.

  6. Callum

     /  July 23, 2018

    Remember we actually have fathers on the DPB that are refusing to name the mothers of their children, how does a system get that broken? How do you even get custody of a child if you can’t name the mother?

    • PartisanZ

       /  July 23, 2018

      Anecdote or fact? If fact … can you cite a link or reference?

      Doesn’t the State automatically know who every child’s mother is by dint of a Birth Certificate?

  7. PartisanZ

     /  July 23, 2018

    Depends a whole lot on what you mean by “motivate” doesn’t it?

  8. what he’s really saying is that many jobs are so crap that the only way to get people to do them is to threaten them with hunger and homelessness.

    • Griff

       /  July 24, 2018

      Funny how market rates to attract workers only work for the well off.