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  1. Blazer

     /  July 26, 2018

    not so clear cut Sir Ray and …’marketing’…

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12095297

    • Corky

       /  July 26, 2018

      I wonder if Aunty has sparked her network into action. All of a sudden the media is full of prats suggesting Sir Ray may not be kosher. Sir Ray stated he has had to sack people and companies for excessive charging.

      Sour grapes, or excessive marketing PR by Sir Ray? Probably both. However, he has now publicly locked himself into a production timetable that will hopefully settle all concerns.

      • Jay3

         /  July 26, 2018

        When opponents of the concert at Eden park realised they were on the wrong side of public opinion, they changed tack from lambasting the venue for not following proper consent processes (untrue), to personally attacking the CEO of Eden Park Trust and its board. After a poll was released showing an overwhelming 91% of Aucklanders supported the charity concert, they doubled down with the help of what looks like compliant journalists and mounted an attack on Avery and the charity itself. Every step of the way Helen Clark has been quoted in articles or made comments on Twitter in an extraordinarily vitriolic display of opposition. I think the UN may have dodged a bullet.

      • Ray

         /  July 26, 2018

        All straight out of the Hellen Clark handbook “Managing the Media”
        I just wonder if she and her supporters think how this all looks to ordinary people?
        I also wonder why she just doesn’t move into one of her other five houses if this noise is so threatening.

  2. Corky

     /  July 26, 2018

    This clip is a classic example of where science is today. It has nothing to do with science per se, but does suggest you must do your research if you want to be informed. This clip is regarding bottled water. Pity they didn’t include real water like Wairwera and Kaimai Range sourced waters. Many obvious points were left out because what is considered good water , and what’s actually good water doesn’t cross the mind of the scientist interviewed. Or the Seven Sharp team for that matter.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/seven-sharp

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 26, 2018

      Saw that segment and changed channels it was so mind-bogglingly dumb, stupid and ignorant. Comparing water samples based only on pH was so unbelievably half-witted I despair.

  3. David

     /  July 26, 2018

    Great news coming out of the US with Trump securing concessions from the EU on their unfair trade restrictions, Dow Jones up 150 points.
    Trump and the art of the deal, he is having a great week what with the start of dismantling of Nth Korean nuclear sites..early days but lets see what happens.

    • Blazer

       /  July 26, 2018

      Stormy and co are having a review of their…’deals’!

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  July 26, 2018

      #snort

      drinking that Kool-Aid again David? As if you haven’t noticed that trump’s moved from tariffs to bail-outs. The art of the deal in trump’s trade war:

      – sending farmers bankrupt
      – putting them on welfare
      – borrowing money from other countries to pay the price
      – $US 12 billion and counting
      – 100% subsidised by American tax-payers

      and the vast bulk of that $US12 billion bail-out will be paid out to large agribusinesses that are (or should be) fully capable of managing their business operations without this special treatment.

      This is where the frothy righties that complain about socialism are full of shit. They have no problems with privatised corporate profits as long as the losses are socialised.

      • David

         /  July 26, 2018

        Keep sucking those lemons.

        • Joe Bloggs

           /  July 26, 2018

          KJeep drinking that Kool-Aid

          Mike Pompeo to Senator Ed Markey on North Korea, in today’s Senate Hearing: “Yes, that’s correct … Yes, they continue to produce fissile material.”

      • duperez

         /  July 26, 2018

        I saw that:

    • Blazer

       /  July 26, 2018

      Trump has a new book coming out…’The Art of the Feel’. 😉

  4. Blazer

     /  July 26, 2018

    Another very interesting ‘suicide’…so many people involved in ‘high finance’ jump out..windows.

    ‘I’d like to introduce you to Mrs. Louise Boyer, a very decent lady and a highly competent secretary. So competent, in fact, that she spent nearly three decades working as the personal secretary of one of the most powerful men in America, Governor Nelson Rockefeller.
    From rubbing elbows with the high society of the world, to arranging his personal meetings with national and international leaders, coordinating his political events, or seeing to the details of his extensive travels, this was obviously an intelligent, capable, and steady lady.
    At least, she was. Until she decided in the summer of 1974 to contact a New York newspaper and tell them that she was privy to explosive information regarding the Rockefeller family arranging with the Fed for large amounts of US gold to be sold and shipped to buyers in Europe, reportedly at the official price of $42.22/oz, while gold on the open market was selling for somewhere around $175/oz.
    Three days after the publication of the article, Ms. Boyer was found dead, having “apparently” thrown herself through the windows of her tenth-story New York apartment and plunging to her death.’

  5. Blazer

     /  July 26, 2018

    did you miss the ‘real’ story Ray…

    ‘Among a range of issues, the investigation highlighted the facts the LifePods did not yet have ISO certification as a medical device and production had not begun at scale.

    It also raised questions over whether Avery should be leading the LifePods process, whether he’d been transparent enough, and whether any of the incubators would be actually produced soon after the concert.

    Newsroom reported Avery acknowledging the one million target of babies to save was not exact, quoting him as saying: “When you’re doing marketing you pick some figures out of the air.”

  6. sorethumb

     /  July 26, 2018

    WARNING THIS WILL GET YOU BANNED FROM WHALEOIL, [FARRAR IS SENSITIVE there too] ……. for some virtuous reason

    Out with the Kiwi tour bus driver in with the Chinese.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=12095049&ref=twitter

    • sorethumb

       /  July 26, 2018

      Real wages fell 24.5% between 1979 and 2006.

      I was setting the fire and I noticed an article on St Moritz Queenstown. The owner bought the land for $2m, the hotel was built for $16m and is now ensured for $64m. Business was slow initially but has been helped by the “influx of visitors”. Every cloud has a sliver lining.

      • sorethumb

         /  July 26, 2018

        That’s what I mean about Alt-Right and counter narrative Geeza. The Alt-Right aren’t Neo-Nazis (they wish). The Alt-Right are a set of ideas. A bit like a world series where the champs are only the champs because the opponents aren’t allowed to fight them.

        • Gezza

           /  July 26, 2018

          You are mixing Libertarians & Conservatives in with the Alt Right – imo, either thru igorance or perhaps trying to disguise some of your racist beliefs as somehow mainstream.

          These are the “set of ideas” of the Alt Right:
          The alt-right, or alternative right, is a loosely-connected and somewhat ill-defined grouping of white supremacists/white nationalists, neo-Nazis, neo-fascists, neo-Confederates, Holocaust deniers, and other far-right fringe hate groups.

          Alt-right beliefs have been described as isolationist, protectionist, antisemitic and white supremacist, frequently overlapping with neo-Nazism, identitarianism, nativism and Islamophobia, antifeminism, misogyny and homophobia, right-wing populism and the neoreactionary movement.

          The concept has further been associated with several groups such as American nationalists, paleoconservatives, anarcho-capitalists, national-anarchists, paleolibertarians, Christian fundamentalists, neo-monarchists, men’s rights advocates and the 2016 presidential campaign of Donald Trump.
          – Wikipedia

          • sorethumb

             /  July 26, 2018

            You are mixing Libertarians & Conservatives in with the Alt Right – imo, either thru igorance or perhaps trying to disguise some of your racist beliefs as somehow mainstream.
            ……..
            Which “racist beliefs” do you refer to Gezza?

            • Gezza

               /  July 26, 2018

              The ones you hold & keep trying to pretend are not.

            • sorethumb

               /  July 26, 2018

              EG?

            • Gezza

               /  July 26, 2018

              I’ve already told you I’m not remotely interested in discussing your ‘scientific racist’ theories & ideas ever again.

            • sorethumb

               /  July 26, 2018

              Narrow minded of you Gezza.

          • sorethumb

             /  July 26, 2018

            That Wikipedia Article must be where That talkback host “Wendy Niesen”? got the idea that M & S are “holocaust deniers”.

        • sorethumb

           /  July 26, 2018

          Southern and Molyneaux were referred to as Alt-right by the media.

          • Gezza

             /  July 26, 2018

            Well if they looked up Wikipedia that’s understandable, although Molyneux probably fits the description more closely than she does from what I’ve heard of them both so far – which is enuf for me to want to hear from them for now, & to make my own judgement about them.

            The problem she possibly has is that she’s touring with him, & he’s a creep, so they both get tarred with the same brush, particularly as they’re sharing a touring platform & seem to be accepting the implication they hold similar views, at least in respect of what they want to talk about (which I still don’t know).

            I don’t think it bothers either of them how they’re described, as long as they get more hits and subscribers to their fame & fortune vehicles on YouTube. Notoriety is as good for gaining celebrity as philanthropy or altruism, probably better.

            That’s not to say some of the issues they raise aren’t valid – they are. Hence why I have no ovjection to their coming here. But I wouldn’t give them a cent, personally.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  July 26, 2018

        And yet under National…

        In the five years to June 2017, we are ending a period of the strongest real wage gains since 1989 when the current data series began.

        That will surprise many readers (and analysts like me).

        The bounce this quarter from a period when pay gains have slowed keeps going a period of real gains that started in September 2011.

        It is true that nominal wage gains have been higher in the past quarter of a century, but inflation was even higher for much of that period, so those gains were illusory.

        The data is important because the claim of “low wages” and “low wage growth” will be part of the election rhetoric

        https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/89048/we-look-how-well-pay-packets-have-grown-after-inflation-basis-and-we-compare-how-our

        • Blazer

           /  July 26, 2018

          and yet the pay gains mean SFA…when you line up the runaway inflation of living costs under National.

          • High Flying Duck

             /  July 26, 2018

            Real wages take that into account – that is exactly the adjustment made to find “real wage” growth…

            • Blazer

               /  July 26, 2018

              but they leave out the biggest cost of all to disguise reality….the cost of renting,owning,mortgage,boarding….how convenient.

  7. lurcher1948

     /  July 26, 2018

    To the rightwing lovers and donors who gave heaps to take Mayor Goff to court for the right of free speech im confused. In this instance it will be Jordan Williams’s owners prompting the Auckland Ratepayers’ Alliance (fronted by Jordan Williams), a fully owned subsidiary of the Taxpayers’ ‘Union’ (fronted by Jordan Williams), that will be pressing the bold fight by the Free Speech Coalition (fronted by Jordan Williams) to have the Auckland City Council spend some more of the ratepayers’ cash on this manufactroversy, at the end Jordon Williams has a heap of money that suckers donated and should be given to the Auckland CC to pay for the expense the Auckland ratepayers paid to lawyers OR IS IT ALRIGHT WHEN THE RIGHT DO IT .

  8. Corky

     /  July 26, 2018

    Saints of greed protect us Righties. Simon Bridges is doing talkback on Radiolive this afternoon.

  9. PDB

     /  July 26, 2018

    Goff not only lies (about sacking a ‘leaker’ and about personally stopping the Canadian speakers) but staying true to his Labour roots he is found to be not very transparent & tries to hide information that doesn’t help his cause:

    “Auckland mayor Phil Goff’s office has been stripped of its ability to influence the release of information following an investigation by the Chief Ombudsman.
    Ombudsman Peter Boshier found the council had acted unreasonably, and in some respects unlawfully, in withholding for five months a report sought by RNZ.
    The report, commissioned by Mayor Phil Goff, had examined the merits of the imported vehicle trade continuing through the city’s port”

    “Goff had publicly opposed the trade continuing to occupy waterfront wharves, but the NZIER report found losing the business could cost the city’s economy $1 billion”.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105762209/power-of-auckland-mayors-office-curbed-after-lashing-by-ombudsman

    • Corky

       /  July 26, 2018

      Like rust, a socialists never rests.

      • Blazer

         /  July 26, 2018

        like crust…the capitalists have all the bread.

  10. PDB

     /  July 26, 2018

    Something for Corky to ponder over…”Although Avondale residents say they are proud of their diverse community, some described their main street as neglected, unsafe and “Third World”.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/western-leader/105693760/the-struggle-to-improve-aucklands-third-world-suburb

    • Corky

       /  July 26, 2018

      Terrible. Europe here we come. Building a Housing New Zealand complex in this area will exacerbate an already grim outlook..

  11. Joe Bloggs

     /  July 26, 2018

    An empty gesture from Mark Meadows and Jim Jordan, as they don’t have anything close to enough votes to impeach Rod Rosenstein.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/25/house-conservatives-move-to-impeach-rosenstein-743238

    This has next to zero chance of passing; it’s optics for their base. Jordan has his sauna issues and McCarthy is jockeying for speaker. And it’s another blatant effort by the GOP to undermine and obstruct the special counsel investigation as it circles around trump.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 26, 2018

      I guess it’s a response to the blatant effort by Rosenstein’s crew to undermine and obstruct Congress’s investigation as it circles around them.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  July 26, 2018

        The point of the GOP impeachment is not to get to the bottom of anything in particular, the point is muddy the water, create confusion, and false equivalencies… exactly like you just did.

        if trump has nothing to hide then throw the books open and settle it once and for all time.

        Clearly he has lots to hide. Like secret payments to his many mistresses made through shell companies set up by Mickey Medallions. And the details of his secret talks with his Russian Mistress. And how moving from tariffs to bailouts makes any sense.

        trump, the GOP, and the Meadows/Jordan/McCarthy impeachment is both bad faith and ethically bankrupt.

        Suck it up honey.

    • Corky

       /  July 26, 2018

      Unusual for Japan. They keep a tight rein on their Muslims. Maybe because this is catering to vistors, it’s not such a big deal.

    • Gezza

       /  July 26, 2018

      Good place to keep an eye on them. God they’re cunning, orientals. 🤓

      • Corky

         /  July 26, 2018

        Never thought of that. Easy to fumigate. Or return to sender. Minimum interaction with the native population. Japan is one of the worlds most racist countries. Zero external terrorist attacks.

    • Corky

       /  July 26, 2018

      Time for Lefties to face the ‘RIGHT’ philosophy, Lurchy. Let’s hope those unkept feral hucksters also know as snowflakes are taught a lesson they will be along time forgetting.
      That’s if our politically correct police realise they are to apply the law minus any political interpretations.

  12. lurcher1948

     /  July 26, 2018

    Trump POTUS #$% AKA trump proudly gets his banners made in the USA wait wait wrong sorry trumpies made in a Chinese sweatshop, yank workers are hopeless and TOOOOO expensive…trump NOTmaking the usa great again with Chinese gear
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/photos-show-chinese-factory-workers-making-trump-2020-flags_us_5b589259e4b0b15aba94476a

  13. lurcher1948

     /  July 26, 2018

    $%=45 but then its percentage dollars in donalds world

  14. lurcher1948

     /  July 26, 2018

    I was listening to Andrew Dickens on the rightwing NZME ZB, and this rather nasty piece of work(possible)employer saying”i will never employ a woman below 50 again” due to the family violence act then your thoughts think of a knuckle dragging caveman boss, paying minimum wage, who buys a new BMW every year and his female employees have to put up with his jokes and rubbing against them getting his cheap cup of coffee.
    The right wing boss where crybabies were invented and BMW salesman know as stupid suckers

    • Corky

       /  July 26, 2018

      Stay focused, Lurchy. Don’t forget who is paying for your power. Brrrrr…no power, much cold.

  15. lurcher1948

     /  July 26, 2018

    Trump,a weak scared president, hardly worth posting on, not worth respecting his office
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jul/26/cnn-reporter-banned-trump-white-house-event-kaitlan-collins

    • Gezza

       /  July 26, 2018

      On the basis of what’s reported there, serves the silly cow right. What a twat.
      Other journos from CNN were allowed to attend. Just not that idiot.

      • lurcher1948

         /  July 26, 2018

        So you respect Trump,sad really I thought of you as a person with standards and taste Geeza

        • Gezza

           /  July 26, 2018

          Don’t be daft. I can’t stand the man. I also don’t respect idiots. She’s an idiot.

          • lurcher1948

             /  July 26, 2018

            Saw her on CNN shes a pool reporter and it was her turn to ask questions for the pool, and tRump doesn’t like sticky questions…a coward

            • Gezza

               /  July 26, 2018

              Did she ask Juncker if the rumours that he’s drunkard were true?

  16. lurcher1948

     /  July 26, 2018

    A policeman????tasers a feral goat 13 times,
    The headline should be “a feral thick policeman tasers a scared animal 13 times before the goat is killed, remember folks this feral policeman has YOU in the sights of his taser
    standards have slipped in the force
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12095866

  17. Gezza

     /  July 26, 2018

    Julie Anne Genter unveiled government plan to close the Public Service gender pay gap and require that 50% of appointees to the top 3 levels in Government Departments must be women, and it sounded like staffing is supposed to become 50-50 male & female already.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/government-promises-end-gender-pay-gap-in-public-service-2020

    1. Ok, so this sounds like it discriminates against non-cisgendered staff already.

    2. When the item featured on 1ewes at six the announcer said that the pay increases MUST be made from within existing Departmental budgets. That, in my working experience in the PS, means there will have to be cuts in services, and/or cuts in staffing, and/or increases in individual staff workloads.

    3. They also noted that some departments such as Pacific Island Affairs & Women’s Affairs are predominantly female employees. How is this going to work? Are departments with mostly a female workforce going to be required to hire more men? What happene if men don’t want to work in these departments or occupations?

    In the last department I worked in, there was actually a reasonably good gender balance the whole time and several top level managers were female. At various times there were actually slightly more female than male employees, we even had two transexuals & one transvestite.

    I have no problem with equal pay for public servsnts doing the same job, so long as any performance bonuses on top of pay rates operate on performance, not gender. To the best of my knowledge, in my former department pay exactly was the same for all staff, male or female, doing the same job, so little will change there – unless that situation has changed in the 10 years since I left.