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  1. Missy

     /  July 27, 2018

    It’s 1830 and about 33 degrees at the moment in London. Today is the hottest day of the year so far, lovely day in London, and I got given one of these by one of our suppliers.

    https://goo.gl/images/YkhhAx

    • Missy

       /  July 27, 2018

      And again with the image (hopefully)

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      • Missy

         /  July 27, 2018

        Okay, I give up! For now anyway, will see if I am sort the
        Image when I get home. But for those up early who are curious, google iPhone fan! It’s pretty cool. 🙂

        • Griff

           /  July 27, 2018

          The nights must be crap.
          It was 25C in London at 8:00am .
          We would find that hot in Auckland.

          • Missy

             /  July 27, 2018

            They have been a little warm… and no breeze.

            Thunderstorms are forecast for tomorrow and Saturday, that is expected to cool it all down for a bit.

          • Missy

             /  July 27, 2018

            It is 31 at the moment (2030), I would like to leave my window open at night, but there have been warnings against it due to a woman being mauled in her bed a few weeks ago by a fox, that was in South London. My bedroom has easy access and there is a fox den on the hill just behind my building, so better to be safe than sorry and keep the window firmly shut overnight!

            • It was so hot this summer that I had two fans in the bedroom, the pedestal one in the corner and a table one near the bed. It was routinely in the 30s and up in the 20s at night.

              I kept a hand fan in my bag. Low tech but effective 😀

        • Gezza

           /  July 27, 2018

          Here Missy, hopefull this displays for you:

  2. chrism56

     /  July 27, 2018

    Yes
    It is a warm summer in Britain. Comparable to the one in 1976. But it is all just weather

    • Griff

       /  July 27, 2018

      Is only the 11th warmest in probably the last 12000years.
      Fixed it for ya

      Considering I spent days tying to point out usually high snowfall in Greenland that you denied you really have to ask …

      It is a warm summer in Britain and the rest of the northern hemisphere.
      Can you spot the difference?
      1976

      2018

      • chrism56

         /  July 27, 2018

        There wasn’t a record snowfall in Greenland, it is a record low snow MELT, but you are too thick to know the difference. Try to actually read the graphs, rather than spout your usual rubbish. And what was the world’s average temperature in say 1340AD or 5976BC to two decimal places?

        • Griff

           /  July 27, 2018

          ROFL
          You really are a funny little thing.

          Was this a record late snow melt? How unusual is the situation?

          The time of onset and the progress of the snow melt was not abnormal. It was the amount of snow that had fallen in late spring (April and May), when temperatures along the northeast coast of Greenland are still below 0 °C, which was unusually large. Such a large amount of snow just takes a very long time to melt, even though the temperatures in June were normal (on average ca. 5 °C) and it was sunny. Since the establishment in 1996 of the research station Zackenberg, in northeast Greenland (74°28’N 20°34’W),such amounts of snow have never been documented before.

          https://teampiersma.org/2018/07/23/an-update-on-the-progress-of-the-exceptionally-snow-rich-breeding-season-in-northeast-greenland/

          Now are you going to admit you have been proven wrong ?
          Best you dont get your information from nutters my friend .
          They keep telling you lies.

          . .

          • chrism56

             /  July 27, 2018

            As usual – you can’t even read your own links “snowfall is often a regional weather phenomenon. The entire east coast of Greenland has experienced a lot of snowfall during late spring which took a long time to melt away. We do not know in detail what the conditions were in other parts of the Sanderling breeding range (Pearry land in north Greenland, ”

            This is what a heavy snowfall for Greenland looks like
            http://polarportal.dk/en/nyheder/arkiv/nyheder/heavy-snowfall-in-greenland/
            Compare it to the 2018 data – so it isn’t a heavy snowfall year, or do you know more about Greenland than DMI?
            And how is the temperature in 1340 coming on?

            • Griff

               /  July 27, 2018

              I am sorry it is there in black and white.
              It was not a late snow melt because it was cold as you claimed it was because of record snow fall in spring.

              The time of onset and the progress of the snow melt was not abnormal. It was the amount of snow that had fallen in late spring.

              Since the establishment in 1996 of the research station Zackenberg, in northeast Greenland (74°28’N 20°34’W),such amounts of snow have never been documented before.

              Either you can not read or you are mental.

            • chrism56

               /  July 27, 2018

              The temperatures are anomalies not actual, they are 20-50 year averages, not individual years, and the proxies are dodgy. Take the red line. It shows a big decline at the end but that is masked by the black temperature line. Because that proxy went down when the temperature went up, all the rest of the line is irrelevant. The graph is garbage and even the IPCC now disown the hockey stick
              To quote AR5 “Continental-scale surface temperature reconstructions show, with high confidence, multidecadal periods during the Medieval Climate Anomaly (950–1250) that were in some regions as warm as in the mid-20th century and in others as warm as in the late 20th century.”

              With regards snow melt, it is DMI records vrs a blog post – yeah right.

            • Griff

               /  July 27, 2018

              Oh look the boy is back.

              The problem you have is you are looking at Greenland as a whole.
              The wind direction has been predominantly from the east so the snow falls on the eastern side.
              The western side of Greenland has had very little snow this year.
              Hence the total Greenland mass budget doesn’t show the record snow in the east.

              Your original claim was the late snow melt is due to cold.
              Your link to prove this was .
              https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/late-snowpack-signals-a-lost-summer-for-greenlands-shorebirds/
              A story sourced from the same guy my blog post is from .
              Jeroen Reneerkens
              So I guess considering you used him to start with I can use him now.

              Oh dear made a big fat arse of your self again.

              Energy doesn’t suddenly pop out of nowhere my poor ignorant friend.
              It has taken over a hundred years for the forcing of CO2 to drive up global temperatures over 1 C.
              No forcing know could have caused such a spike in the last 2000 years.
              You are claiming unicorn farts because you dont understand the laws of physics.
              Dear dear .

              The graph is garbage and even the IPCC now disown the hockey stick

              rofl
              What has brought on that gibbering nonsense?
              MBH 1998 “the hockey stick” only goes to 1400CE
              The proxie records I posted go back 2000 years and use multiple reconstructions .
              You do note that is pretty much the same in detail as the hockey stick for the corresponding period. The IPCC do not “disown the hockey stick” that is the sort of nonsense you believe from reading to many whacko blogs.
              They use up to date data from this century as more information becomes available.

              multidecadal periods during the Medieval Climate Anomaly (950–1250) that were in some regions as warm as in the mid-20th century and in others as warm as in the late 20th century.”

              We are not talking about “some regions.”
              We are talking about the global temperatures.

              There were no globally synchronous multi-decadal warm or cold intervals that define a worldwide Medieval Warm Period

              Continental-scale temperature variability during the past two millennia
              PAGES 2k Consortium
              https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo1797

              I know its hard when you have issues.
              But mate you should go do some study before you make a further twat out of your self .
              Maybe you could find a primer school that would take an adult to start you off

            • chrism56

               /  July 27, 2018

              Griff ass usual you are just wrong.
              The predominant wind direction in Greenland is katiabatic.
              https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1029/2001JD900161
              The original MBH went from 1400. He later extended it to 500AD in 2009.
              Pages2k used most of the Mann proxies and added a few more like upside down and contaminated data, together with a bit of cherrypicking. That is why IPCC disowned it.
              And according to NCEP posted uplink, most of Greenland is below average temp so it is still cold. That is why the snow hasn’t melted.

            • Griff

               /  July 27, 2018

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              Above is a graph of Greenland snow fall.
              On the Right hand one it gives the departure from average
              The western side is blue that means less snow than average .
              The right side is red that means more snow fall than average.
              To you understand this simple fact?
              That is because unusual winds from the east predominated since October 2017.

              katiabatic. winds do not cause snow to fall.
              As air drops it warms.
              It therefore decreases in relative humidity –gets dryer.
              Physics.
              The predominant wind direction is not what we are talking about .
              Under discussion is the record snowfall on the west coast of Greenland and its large volume causing snow to be still on the ground late in the season.

              The same source you originally linked to says the late snow melt Is from the extra snow.
              I know you dont like that .
              That does not change the fact.
              When you keep saying something I have debunked it means you are a loony tune
              .
              As to your gibbering about peloclimate data
              Your sources are unreliable nutter blogs.

              These are from AR5 working group one
              The northern hemisphere one includes a number of records designated ma
              Guess who was the lead author of the reconstructions called ma? Distinguished professor Michal Mann.


              I know of the corrections made to pages 2k.
              They dont change the conclusion . in any significant way.

            • Griff

               /  July 27, 2018

              Opps thumbs

  3. Corky

     /  July 27, 2018

    Violence against teachers is in the news again. This article from a few months back shows how bad things have become…really bad.

    The solution is simple. The excuses complex. In this clip the Christchurch Quake is used as an excuse. Meanwhile the innocent suffer. That’s a great ‘shiner’ the elderly teacher displays in this clip.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/04/revealed-shocking-number-of-teachers-getting-the-bash-from-violent-students.html

    • duperez

       /  July 27, 2018

      What is that solution you say is simple?

      • Corky

         /  July 27, 2018

        Corporal Punishment. Simple..and proven effective. Why did you ask the question when you already knew my answer?

        • Gezza

           /  July 27, 2018

          No that’s fair enuf Corks. For all we know your answer could have been guns.

          • Corky

             /  July 27, 2018

            Or hugs and kisses.

            • Gezza

               /  July 27, 2018

              Wouldn’t be what sprang into most people’s minds as a likely solution for you to be thinking of, I’d imagine, but couldn’t rule it out utterly I suppose.

            • I’d have guessed some sort of violence as Cork’s solution to violence, given his fascination with it.

              Violence cures violence, of course, People who’ve been beaten themselves NEVER do this to anyone else.

              Yeah, right.

              There are fairies at the bottom of MY garden.

            • Corky

               /  July 27, 2018

              Violence is unasked for. Punishment is given for rules that are broken. Pupils know the rules. The choice is theirs. This crap about violence breeding violence , is just that, crap. How many teachers were bashed while you attended school?

              Anyway, lets hear your solution. Have you got one? Or are you only good for criticising me….someone who has provided a solution?

            • If corporal punishment worked, it would have ended violence long ago.Your solution doesn’t work or it would have worked when it was used,It can also lead to an unhealthy fixation like that of Peter Plumley Walker, who could well have been one of many who learned to like corporal punishment at school.

              Violence towards teachers is age-old. Have you read the Laura Ingalls Wilder book about her husband’s childhood and the big boys who boast that no teacher had ever finished a term ?

              It’s not the only account that I have read of pupil-teacher violence in that time and before. Innercity schools in the UK were notorious.

              I am intelligent enough to know that there is no facile solution or it would have been found by now. Institutionalised violence is not the answer. If it was an effective form of discipline, it wouldn’t need to be repeated. If hitting a small child was effective, it would only need to be done once.

              I went to all-girls schools, so it wasn’t an issue. But I heard from my mother about attacks on teachers by pupils. She had a chair thrown at her by a pupil, and she was one who had few discipline problems because she was an excellent teacher.

            • Corky

               /  July 27, 2018

              ”Violence towards teachers is age-old.”

              That’s bs. The amount of violence towards teachers HAS NEVER BEEN AS HIGH AS IT IS NOW!! If I’m wrong – prove me wrong.

              ”If corporal punishment worked, it would have ended violence long ago.”

              Corporal punishment isn’t violence. It’s is only violence for people with your mind set. We are talking about school discipline and safety.

              Corporal punishment doesn’t have to be repeated that often. A good cane master rarely had pupils wanting seconds, from my experience.

              ”I am intelligent enough to know that there is no facile solution ”

              That isn’t good enough. That’s an excuse for saying ”I have no idea.”

              Ok, here’s another suggestion. Privatise all education so parents can send their kids to schools either with discipline or without. That way parent’s like me who would want their kids whacked for breaking schools
              rules could have that, while parents like you who would want some form of the present status quo could also have something more in line with their ideals.

              I wonder which schools teachers would eventually want to teach at?

            • I have read rather more history than you appear to have done.

              I am not arrogant enough to assume, as you appear to do, that I have all the answers.

              If hitting children worked, it would be obvious.

            • You have not PROVIDED anyone with a solution, you have SUGGESTED one, based upon nothing but your own biassed opinion.

              If you did a little research, you would find that there has always been some violence in schools. But it’s easier for the ignorant to persist in their ignorance than to do a little work. And no, I don’t mean looking at one Google site. I mean actual reading.

              I find it disturbing that to you, discipline and hitting appear to be synonyms. It’s a poor disciplinarian who needs to resort to hitting a child.

              I have no idea how many teachers would choose to hit the pupils, and nor have you, so it’s a futile exercise to even try to guess. Nor can anyone know how many parents would like their children to be hit at school.

            • Corky

               /  July 27, 2018

              ”You have not PROVIDED anyone with a solution, you have SUGGESTED one, based upon nothing but your own biased opinion”

              Crap. Corporal punishment is proven. The stats prove that. The trends prove that. Again, you have nothing to offer..zilch.

              ”If you did a little research, you would find that there has always been some violence in schools.”

              I have never denied that.

              ‘I find it disturbing that to you, discipline and hitting appear to be synonyms. It’s a poor disciplinarian who needs to resort to hitting a child.’

              More rubbish. Some brats need nothing more than a good whack. I love watching middleclass twats in town who are unable to control their kids.
              This of course does not mean CP should be the first choice…It should be the third choice after two warnings.

              To summarise. You have no suggestions. Much rhetoric. Twisted logic. An an inability to see how dire this situation is. You are a classic example of a modern snowflake.

            • Gezza

               /  July 27, 2018

              A hulking great 5 to 6 foot male teenage gangsta wannabe who’s a regular class disrupter & general smart arse isn’t exactly a child any more Kitty.

  4. Gezza

     /  July 27, 2018

    Matthew Hooton: Why it’s all power to National
    No opposition in living memory has gone into its first conference after losing power in better shape than Simon Bridges’ National.

    This is partly because of the circumstances that led to it leaving office in 2017.
    However strongly and correctly constitutional lawyers insist otherwise, a significant hunk of voters will never accept the Ardern-Peters Government as legitimate.

    More important is how clumsy, incompetent yet arrogant the coalition has proven to be. Jacinda Ardern is, of course, a political superstar, internationally more so even than domestically.

    So too is Winston Peters in his own unpredictable way.

    Beyond the top two, David Parker is highly competent although completely overloaded, and Grant Robertson is doing a reasonable job minding the till.

    But the rest of the line-up is dire:

    Andrew Little … has now caused problems with both Australia and the Ngāpuhi settlement process.

    The third-ranked Kelvin Davis is embarrassingly out of his depth.

    David Clark and Chris Hipkins have mismanaged their relationships in the health and education sectors.

    Welfare minister Carmel Sepuloni seems to regard success as increasing the number of New Zealanders on the dole.

    Iain Lees-Galloway’s plans for something like 1970s national awards is behind the sharp fall in business confidence.

    Clare Curran, the so-called Open Government Minister, has become something of a national joke.

    Even more comical is Phil Twyford’s KiwiBuild, which seems to involve nothing more than him buying houses that were going to be built anyway and on-selling them through a socially unjust ballot system.

    Meanwhile, … Shane Jones’ provincial growth fund will surely soon deliver a wasteful spending scandal.

    To a certain extent, National needs simply to wait.
    More …

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12095880

    Matthew ignores The Elephant In The Room. Nobody I know wants Bridges as PM. 😖

    • David

       /  July 27, 2018

      I wonder how much the Bridges factor really matters, whoever it is will always look average against Ardern.
      I dont mind this government really all that much, they have proved to be absolutely useless but the country is so well set up its best they just dont touch anything.

      • Gezza

         /  July 27, 2018

        Winston’s already doing a better job of seeming like a PM. I think its possible by the time Women’s Day Girl is ready to resume the PM slot & take up the role of chief waffler again everyone will be over her. I know I am.

        • I was going to say something along those lines. Has she even been missed ? Her place seems to have grown over already. Nobody seems to mention her.

          I do believe that she will sink without trace.

    • Griff

       /  July 27, 2018

      Yip.
      Roll him for Collins …. lots of very happy conservatives.
      National will then stay on the back benches for another term.
      Because elections are won in the middle .

      • Gezza

         /  July 27, 2018

        Yes. I don’t think Judes is the man for the job. Nor Paula, Amy or teeny wotsername with the lank blonde hair.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  July 27, 2018

        Bridges is more in the muddle than the middle at present.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  July 27, 2018

          Especially when he’s the one saying the word.

    • Corky

       /  July 27, 2018

      ”To a certain extent, National needs simply to wait.”

      That’s it in a nutshell. I would just add a new leader while they are waiting. But do it, NOW!

      • Gezza

         /  July 27, 2018

        What fucking reason is there to do it NOW? They screwed up last time they rushed it.

        • Corky

           /  July 27, 2018

          Calm down. Ever seen dry rot?

          • Gezza

             /  July 27, 2018

            Only here. Some of it’s been yours. Why do you ask?

            • Corky

               /  July 27, 2018

              If you are going to be prattish I wont give you a cogent answer.

            • Gezza

               /  July 27, 2018

              You’ve upset me now. You know I’m bloody sensitive. If there was any bloody justice in this country you’d have to pay for my counselling.

            • Corky

               /  July 27, 2018

              Good blocking post.

              Substitute the National Party for timber and this definition explains why I’m anxious for a new National Party leader that can be dumped before the next election if things aren’t working out. I think some swing voters may think hard about voting given the largess Labour has given them, with promises of more at come at the next election.

              Nothing should be left to chance. National is already behind with clear policy statements that should be non negotiable. Too much sniffing the wind if you ask me.

              ”Dry rot is the term given to brown rot decay caused by certain fungi that deteriorate timber in buildings and other wooden construction without an apparent source of moisture. The term is a misnomer[2] because all wood decaying fungi need a minimum amount of moisture before decay begins.[3] The decayed wood takes on a dark or browner crumbly appearance, with cubical like cracking or checking, that becomes brittle and can eventually crush the wood into powder. Chemically, wood attacked by dry rot fungi is decayed by the same process as other brown rot fungi. An outbreak of dry rot within a building can be an extremely serious infestation that is hard to eradicate, requiring drastic remedies to correct. Significant decay can cause instability and cause the structure to collapse.”

              Source:
              Wiki.

              Labour had dry rot before the last election. Only Winston saved them.
              I don’t what National pissing a good voter lead down the drain.

            • Gezza

               /  July 27, 2018

              I can see your point if you mean that, if Bridges can’t get any traction in the media, despair might soon set in & sap away National MPs’ will to live & thus also their performance. Winston’s gleefully dancing on his grave every single Question Time – constant gibes in his answers like: “As everybody knows – that member’s career will soon be over “.

              Amy’s not firing. Another dead duck. Paula hasn’t got the intellectual equipment for the job. But Judith scares the bejesus out of sane people & she even practices looking evil in the mirror I reckon.

              They need to think this knife job thru very carefully. No one stands out as an obvious replacement leader candidate yet. They probably should’ve tapped & then picked Big Gerry, instead of Simon, for now.

              Man I hate that NZ political polls are so pathetically infrequent, so few & so already out of date – current issue-wise – when they are releeased. Bloody disgrace Stuff & The Herald can’t even manage to set up simple weekly readers poll series.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  July 27, 2018

              The parties all get constant “internal” polling.
              It seems National are holding up pretty well at the moment and having Simon there has not hurt them (or lifted them).
              Given there is no cost to the party as yet, why not give him a chance to grow into role?
              His performances in the house have been astonishingly bad so far, especially given he’s a lawyer, so that would be a good first step.
              If he doesn’t improve in another 6 months, start looking around.
              But in Gezza’s immortal words – who else have they got?
              Many good performers in the house, but no obvious leaders jumping out.

            • Gezza

               /  July 27, 2018

              It’s not just his performances in the House that are a problem for National. The guy’s had a total personality bypass. He is dull, flat & uninspiring whenever I see the guy on telly too. Such voter empathy & emotion as he does attempt to conjure up sometimes comes over as fake as a $2 Rolex. There’s no passion in the man. So he comes over as not having any policy or principles he’s actually committed to. I’m not sure if he’s politically capable of independent thought, but if he is he’s got no talent as a PM. I won’t vote for anyone with diction as bad as his – or Jacinda. To talk like that indicates you’re bloody ignorant.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 27, 2018

              Narrowed your options somwhat G. I suppose that leaves dear old winnie …hes got diction, talks well and is capable of independent thought. Any room for policy in your selection process?

            • Gezza

               /  July 27, 2018

              His diction’s not all that great, & typically, during Question Toime yesterday, he started rambling about this government’s “done more in its first hundred years than … that lot”

              Some heckler on his own side had to point out that he meant to say days, because old blitherer doesn’t even listen to himself, Might be getting a few marbles short of a bag now. Keeping an eye on him, & thinking “thank bloody Allah the merciful, the feckin beneficent that we don’t have a ‘launch nukes’ button”.

              Plenty of room for poicy. What’ve you got?

            • Gezza

               /  July 27, 2018

              *policy

            • Blazer

               /  July 27, 2018

              Dr Jiang jumps out as leadership material for National..to me.
              Obviously a very talented fundraiser and knows our big trading partner inside..out.
              Only in NZ.

            • Gezza

               /  July 27, 2018

              Nope. Security risk imo. In fact he’ll have to go.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 27, 2018

              Happy dementia is not a bad place to be G so you need to cut winnie some slack. Now discounting the greens on the basis that ideology is not policy, my in depth analysis from a year or so ago indicates there are 7 credible pollies across the parties. Real world experience outside of institutions disqualifies almost half the useless bastards

              Will you be up for the lunar eclipse?

            • Gezza

               /  July 27, 2018

              Interesting. List & number the 7 in priority order please.

              I’ll be up in time to look for the eclipse, yes, although at this time of year whether Welly will oblige with a reliably clear sky is anybody’s guess. As it’s been cloudy for EVERY BLOODY METEOR SHOWER I’ve ever tried to see here, I’m not too optimistic.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  July 27, 2018

              Agriculture, business and health G. Forget the rest. What are your thoughts on property developers and lawyers? Should they be allowed to represent the people?

            • Gezza

               /  July 27, 2018

              Rockets. We need rockets. So do some lawyers.

              Haven’t made up my mind about property developers. I’ve developed my property a bit.

              Lawyer might be ok representing the people if they’re culled regularly (the lawyers, not the people).

              Why are you asking about property developers? What sort & who were you thinking of?

          • I suspect that people may be underestimating Simon Bridges.

  5. Blazer

     /  July 27, 2018

    the wisdom of a perceptive ..knight..

    ‘Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin.
    The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them,
    but leave them the power to create deposits,
    and with the flick of the pen they will
    create enough deposits to buy it back again.
    However, take it away from them, and
    all the great fortunes like mine
    will disappear and they ought to disappear, for
    this would be a happier and better world to live in.
    But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers
    and pay the cost of your own slavery,
    let them continue to create deposits.”—-Sir Joseph Stamp.

    • Who is/was he ?

      What does he suggest ? An old sock under the mattress ?

      I bet that he didn’t give his great fortune away to make the world better and happier.

      • He was a real person, but it’s obviously a fake quotation as so many are when one reads about what he was.

        Just read it. again.

        He was an economist and would never have written such vague drivel.. The writer has overdone it, as they generally do, trying to add verisimilitude to fake quotes and simply making it obvious that they are bogus.

        Blazer, you’ve been had.

        • Oscar Wilde never said the one about how if you don’t like your job, imagine being without it.

          He didn’t think like that, and the word didn’t mean what it does now. The quote would have been meaningless to people then

          One learns to know at once when a quote is bogus.

  6. Gezza

     /  July 27, 2018

    When Pete’s so flat out he only has time to do one post so far today, makes you realise how much skill & effort he puts in to delivering content for this blog every other day. Other Blogs have to use guest writers & staff writers to get that level of content.

  7. Gezza

     /  July 27, 2018

    Driverless Car Drivers Too Dangerous
    Americans have been shaken by crashes of driverless cars and their semiautonomous counterparts, two recent surveys show, and consumer groups are pushing back against what they say is a flawed effort in Congress to regulate the vehicles.

    A Brookings Institution online survey found that 61 per cent of Americans said they were not inclined to ride in self-driving cars. A poll done at the weekend by the Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety found that 69 per cent of those surveyed said they were concerned about sharing the road with autonomous cars.
    More …
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/105800337/as-driverless-car-crashes-mount-fear-of-riding-in-them-rises-too

    • Griff

       /  July 27, 2018

      The question is not do driverless cars crash ?
      The question is how does the crash rate per km compare to cars with drivers?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 27, 2018

      I’m inclined to agree they’ve got the psychology completely wrong with semi autonomous human driver backup. Humans are useless as backup because they get bored and distracted. Best the human drives and the machine checks for errors.

      • Griff

         /  July 27, 2018

        Driver backup is becoming standard in the top of range models across most new cars Alan.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  July 27, 2018

          Yes I know. It makes it hard to step through to fully autonomous though.

          • Griff

             /  July 27, 2018

            I think the technology for full self drive will get here in the next decade or two.
            It will be limited by governments to areas that have reasonable controllable conditions like dedicated motorway lanes not suburban streets and country roads.
            Musks boring company may be onto something cheap tunnels allowing autonomous units in environments isolated from human stupidity.

            • Gezza

               /  July 27, 2018

              It’s impossible to isolate anything from human stupidity because there’s mountains of evidence from past & current history that fools are too damn clever.

  8. lurcher1948

     /  July 27, 2018

    Enjoy your Friday night

    • Corky

       /  July 27, 2018

      I don’t like the Boss, Lurchy. Give me something that doesn’t bend to the Left.

  9. Corky

     /  July 27, 2018

    Peter Dunn co-hosting at the moment on Radiolive. Telling some great stories about our political giants. So much for me saying he would become a non entity.

  10. lurcher1948

     /  July 27, 2018

    Dog agility tomorrow Levin,life goes on…TEAM RED run hard or go home

    • Corky

       /  July 27, 2018

      Damn, that old spanker still has it. Love the bassist doing a Fea ( RHCP) impression.

    • Gezza

       /  July 27, 2018

      How the hell that nasally whiner ever makes money is beyond me. He still plays guitar like a damn beginner as well.

      • lurcher1948

         /  July 27, 2018

        SUCK EGGS Gezza RED and im running tomorrow,RUN HARD or go home..AGILITY

      • Gezza

         /  July 27, 2018

        Jesus bloody Christ man! If you play him that Skynerd dirge uou might as well stay home.

        If you want RED to win, play him this just before he goes out there:

        • lurcher1948

           /  July 27, 2018

          Seen george T playing

          • Did you see my boy wonder on General Chat yesterday, Lurch ???

            • He sends good luck nose rubs to Red.

            • Corky is still up and about, it seems.

            • Corky

               /  July 27, 2018

              Don’t fixate. No one is interested..except you.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 28, 2018

              One remark can scarcely be described as fixation. One doesn’t fixate, anyway, one is fixated, Another wrong usage from M. Bouchon.

              You are the one who is fixated on your various fixations and bores everyone to death with them.

              What a spiteful, nasty little tick you are. It’s pathetic.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 28, 2018

              May I suggest that you look up ‘fixation’ in a good dictionary (i.e. not the first definition that comes up on Google) and then look up ‘mentioning’. There is a world of difference between the two.

    • I wonder if many women would find that comment flattering ?

      Would men be flattered if having none was supposed to be a compliment ?

      • Gezza

         /  July 27, 2018

        Tits? Yes. Man boobs are embarrassing I reckon.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  July 27, 2018

          How about saying that a man had no balls and expecting him to be flattered, as women are supposed to be flattered when someone says that they have them ?

          • Griff

             /  July 27, 2018

            Reads more like female boss shows she has got PMT to me.

          • Gezza

             /  July 27, 2018

            I never say women have got balls because that would make them androgynes or shemales & they’d be disgusted at the idea if they were just gutsy, strong-minded persons of the female gender.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  July 27, 2018

        I’ve often wondered that too, Kitty. It is meant as a compliment but I don’t know if it delivers one.

        • Gonads ARE balls, Gezza, so saying that women have gonads is the same as saying that they have balls.

          I don’t find it at all flattering, rather the opposite. It’s really quite patronising, as if women are inadequate because we don’t have them.

          It’s all but impossible to imagine reversing this and expecting a man to be complimented by being told that he has female genitalia.

          • Calling a man a cunt or a twat is an insult, as is saying that he has no balls.

            Saying that a woman has balls is meant to be a compliment.

  11. Thanks for keeping things active when I had a bit of a day off.

    I knew the Nottingham sentencing was supposed to be yesterday but saw no sign of news until first thing this morning. It’s not a hugely popular topic but it’s important to me.So I posted on it – a preliminary post, there’s a lot more to this story. And while I still had time decided to leave it as the sole specific post through the day.

    So things chugged away well without me.

    I will have a few more things to say about Nottingham and his gang. I know it won’t be a thrill for most but to me it’s important, and I also think it’s an important public service to make it known what happened, and how it was allowed to happen by our legal system that makes things hard for itself – and hard for victims of vindictive vexatious arses.

  12. Corky

     /  July 27, 2018

    This is disturbing: An Indian dairy owner who doesn’t want to take his lumps and shut up like a good Kiwi crime victim.

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/325476/dairy-owner-incensed-at-home-detention-'joke

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  July 27, 2018

      Vile young scum who will probably kill someone before he is much older. Luckily he didn’t manage it already.

      • Gezza

         /  July 27, 2018

        The main offender needs to be flown down asap to Welly – at the Justice Department’s expense, business class – to personally demonstrate on the Minister of Justice’s head what a low level offence with a tyre iron is like. Then Andy can decide if that’s one he wants to include in his non-existent list next time he’s asked what they are, exactly?

        • Griff

           /  July 27, 2018

          You have been reading to much of corks violent comments.
          It costs $110,230 per year to keep someone in prison.
          Even of they are on the dole its a lot cheaper to lock them up at home with a bracelet.
          18 with a clean record time is prison is not going to make him a better person in fact it is highly likely he would come out a patched gang member with good education in being an antisocial thug.

          • Gezza

             /  July 27, 2018

            You haven’t been hit over the head with a tyre iron often enuf.

            Seriously, I think you should try it sometime.

            What does it cost the dairy owner to be in hospital and suffering from headaches and constant fear of the next one?

            Where’s all this bloody violence coming from? Are you now or have you ever been a violent dairy robber?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  July 27, 2018

            @Griff, I doubt the guy who wielded the tyre iron had a clean record. I think you are confusing him with the getaway driver.

            • Gezza

               /  July 27, 2018

              Are you kidding me? He constantly tells us he’s a near bloody genius. Could he be that thick that he missed that, or commented without reading the bloody article?

            • Griff

               /  July 27, 2018

              Yess
              I see it now i missed the fact that the other one got 9 months h d.
              So thats $75000 dollars you want to waste to send him to jail because you think sending a 18 year old to jail is a good idea.
              Personally I would avoid sending kids to jail because it is a training ground for violent thugs and criminal behavior. At eighteen he has another 50 odd years to act like one.
              My view on youth crime.
              Spend the upmost to turn the little shits around and keep them out of jail as long as you can. Kids often grow out of it before they hit 26 or so.
              For 75 odd grand you could give the kid 20 hours of one on one mentoring weekly for three years.

              If in a few years and lots of effort they is still doing shite like that… a bullet to the base of the brain.

            • Gezza

               /  July 27, 2018

              Spend the upmost to turn the little shits around and keep them out of jail as long as you can. Kids often grow out of it before they hit 26 or so.
              For 75 odd grand you could give the kid 20 hours of one on one mentoring weekly for three years.

              Now you might be talking. Who said I think sending them to prison with a bunch of professional thugs is the answer?

              What I think is sitting around on their arse at home with an ankle bracelet showing off to their no hoper mates still doing crimes for months on end is a waste of time.

              Get the pricks out there in the community, doing something bloody useful in that time. They can their bloody counselling then, as they work. The same as the rest of us do. And ask them if they’d like a whack on the fucken head with a tyre iron at the end of the day – until they get an idea of what it’s like to do something useful, some hard yakka – and then face that as their thank you.

              It’s not about punishment: but it is partly about learning shame & remorse & respect. If they haven’t learned it from their olds they need to learn it from someone else. There’s nothing wrong with learning to be ashamed. People forgive you when you turn your life around. Shame doesn’t last forever and can be a powerful motivator if someone cares enuf to want to help you become a better person.

              If in a few years and lots of effort they is still doing shite like that… a bullet to the base of the brain.
              Now who sounds like Corky? 😉

            • Gezza

               /  July 27, 2018

              An you owe Alan a thank you for the courtesy he showed you.

            • I would think that home detention could be very dreary indeed for someone like that, worse than prison. Not that I have much sympathy for this person, as he should have thought of that before. I seem to have read that there are restrictions on who can visit, but may be wrong on that.For me, with thousands of books in the house, it would be infinitely preferable to prison, but to someone with no resources, it would be deadly.

              Prisoners can be taught trades, and some have come out to be tradies as we saw on the news. What a good investment that is.

              Horrible as these robberies are, and they are a blot on society, one must wonder at Corky’s salivating fixation on violence which is just a little creepy. And one knows that the cliche about the lumps will be used somewhere.

            • I think that many do have to do something, Gezza, or some, anyway. I have seen a few ‘anklet boys’ .