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  1. Blazer

     /  July 28, 2018

    Watched the expose on Sir Ray ‘Gravy’ Avery last night.
    Another example of a Knight with a moral deficit.
    The Avery story…born in a manger,abandoned in an English forest and found and cared for by a kindly seamstress is a real sentimental tale.
    Apparently he arrived in the land of sheep with nothing more than a pair of…shears.

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    • Gezza

       /  July 28, 2018

      Got any good news?

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    • Gezza

       /  July 28, 2018

      What channel was this ‘exposé’ on? Might watch it on On Demand.
      And please cheer up. Labour’s in power. Could be worse. 🙃

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    • Corky

       /  July 28, 2018

      ”Watched the expose on Sir Ray ‘Gravy’ Avery last night.”

      There was no wrong doing. If so, please tell me about it.

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      • Blazer

         /  July 28, 2018

        what was he apologising about then?Schoolkids fund raisers,donations,deadlines=0 pods!

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        • Corky

           /  July 28, 2018

          That’s a timeline issue he may have failed on. That doesn’t mean misappropriation of funds or misuse of funds at this stage. He has given the public a new deadline. If that fails to eventuate, then fair enough, an official investigation will be warranted.

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          • Blazer

             /  July 28, 2018

            hes been pushing out deadlines for years.The guy who dontaed 10k for 4 pods advised ..’steer clear’.
            Last ‘deadline’ was Feb 2018…new ‘deadline’..Feb 2019.
            Gum boot throwing comp he had arranged for Eden Park couldn’t be moved to Mt Smart!
            Wonder who the anonymous international star is…Elvis!..Bol.

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  2. David

     /  July 28, 2018

    Just in case it wont get covered anywhere I thought everyone would like to know the US economy grew 4.1% which is an epic growth rate and shows what happens when you deregulate and allow business to get on with business.
    Nice work Mr Trump and your team.

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  July 28, 2018

      Remember when Obama hit 5.1% in the second quarter in 2014? And 4.9% the very next quarter?

      Did it solve all America’s problems?

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  July 28, 2018

      Reuters: GDP up because

      – farmers rushed shipments of soybeans to China to beat retaliatory trade tariffs before they took effect in early July

      – businesses spent up to stockpile inventory ahead of the impending import duties

      Not looking promising for quarters 3 or 4 as import duties stifle economic growth and investment

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    • lurcher1948

       /  July 28, 2018

      That includes large soy shipments that will now be hit with tarrifs .What goes up will come down.

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  3. David

     /  July 28, 2018

    Pleasing to see the return of the remains of US soldiers from the Korean war for the families, a great gesture from Chairman Kim. Will see what happens but hopefully Trump is making some good progress on North Korea.
    Quite moving watching the hand over by the US military, quite a dignified ceremony.

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  4. Gezza

     /  July 28, 2018

    Sad state of affairs when you can trust KJU but not Trump.

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  July 28, 2018

      And a great irony that BLOTUS, the biggest liar of the United States, should accuse his ex-lawyer of lying.
      Sad state of affairs indeed.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  July 28, 2018

      Is KJU a respected social service in New Zealand who helps New Zealanders,Gezza and the world knows trumps a pervert,so whats your problem

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  5. Corky

     /  July 28, 2018

    The world is going ga-ga with the possible discovery on water on Mars. But what of the unexplained still to be understood on earth?

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    • Gezza

       /  July 28, 2018

      We already know there’s water here, Corks?

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      • Corky

         /  July 28, 2018

        Sherlock Holmes award of the day.

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        • Gezza

           /  July 28, 2018

          Thank you thank you I feel so humbled by this award. But it’s not just me this award belongs to. It belongs to everybody who has been part of this. So many people have helped. I don’t who to thank first. Hang on – I’ll make a list.

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      • Gezza

         /  July 28, 2018

        Righto. Here we go:
        My special thanks to
        My mum, my dad, (RIP) my ma, my 2nd dad (RIP, and thanks for ‘like nobody’s business’)
        Pooky, Bluebell, Bluey, Aspen, Sweety, Pickles, Jojo, my purple bird people
        GB, OB, Charlie, Prettygirl, & all the kids, Duchess, & all the duck people, the mandarin duck, gone too soon
        Seamus Shag & all me sparrers & blackbirds & tuis & Bernard the tiwaka & his g/fs
        Ella, Elvis, Tamaiti, Nuthafulla, Granville & all the other eels – my riversharks
        The late, grate, Sir Alan Wilkinson, RSVP – without whose need to obviously be sorted out I might never have even posted here
        Dame Nelly Smickers (RIP)
        Rev Sir Peter George (For services to beige)
        David
        Pink David
        High Flying Duck – although he sometimes misses the point thru sheer determination to do so
        Griff (sometimes, not often, rather not go into that: it’ll get nasty)
        Blazer – makes me realise how happy I am most of the time
        PartisanZ – always makes me proud of who I am & where I came from
        Possum – for being Maori as & proud of it
        Lizzie Marvelly – for reminding me just how great normal hetero women & mums are
        Kitty Catkin for not giving a damn & telling it like it is – for her
        Corky – for not giving a damn & telling Kitty how she is – for him
        PDB – for occasionally saying sensible things
        Andrew Little – for nothing
        Phil Twyford – for surpassing Andrew Little on that score
        Simon Bridges – for making National so far look lost
        Judith Collins – for making Simon Bridges look over his shoulder
        Winston Peters – for proving that in politics bottom lines have more to do with bottoms than lines
        Conspiratoor – for reminding me to be wary of people who get info out of you while never giving any away themselves
        duperez – for often having a good, shiny point & knowing how to bury it for treasure hunters
        MaureenW – for letting me know instinctively when I’m not in the mood
        And look – there have just been so many others, too many to mention, & I can see the stage manager is now making throat cutting & ‘get him off’ gestures
        I love you all
        Mwah mwah mwah
        Thank you thank you thank you
        Hey, stop pushing me – arsehole
        Get out of it – before I hit you with this bloody statue
        Bastard!

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    • Griff

       /  July 28, 2018

      I watched a few moments of that .
      Time I will never get back.
      I mean a bloody pot hole with water running into it is an “unexplained mystery.”
      There are tens of thousands of such places around the world.
      There is even one a stone throw from me here where a small seasonal stream goes under ground for fifty feet or so and emerges as a water fall.

      Corky you owe me for wasting my time with trivia.

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      • Corky

         /  July 28, 2018

        I didn’t think people like you would be interested. Do what Gezza does and ignore such clips

        But it’s good you know the cause of these mysteries. Please enlighten the world and explain each one. This blog is obviously home to unknown geniuses.😄

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        • I couldn’t decide whether this was a hoax designed to catch the gullible or not.

          It may be done BY the gullible. Either way, some of the footage was a bit suspect. Wasn’t that Father Christmas in the Siberian item ?

          There must be thousands of waterfalls going into underground caverns and emerging as rivers in the world.And the stone on which nothing would grow seemed to have quite a lot of things growing on it.

          The world is hardly going gaga over the Mars water; it’s not that interesting.

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          • Corky

             /  July 28, 2018

            The same applies to you. However, in your case I understand.😵

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            • Oh dear, another failed attempt to sound clever from M. Tete-Bouchon.

              ’twas ever thus.

              ‘You beat your pate and fancy wit will come;
              Knock as you will, there’s nobody at home.’

              Pope must have known people like you.

              Pate,(rhymes with late) by the way, means head.

            • Corky

               /  July 28, 2018

              Yes, quite. Very good. ‘Twas another day of the court jester trying to get the King to take her seriously.’

            • Griff

               /  July 28, 2018

            • Corky

               /  July 28, 2018

              Sir, what is fake news?

  6. David

     /  July 28, 2018

    Firstly sorry for pasting in full rather than linking but its behind a paywall. Thought people might enjoy an interesting take on the way Trump is doing things as opposed to May who has been negotiating with the EU for 2 years and has got nowhere thus far. Enjoy.

    Trump’s crude approach gets results, whereas Theresa May’s timidity has made her vulnerable
    There must be times when Theresa May looks at Donald Trump with something like envy. As she struggles to thread a way through the tangles and technicalities of Brexit, the American president appears to negotiate a trade agreement with Jean-Claude Juncker in a matter of hours.

    In talking to the EU, Trump never ceded his strategic advantage. His steel and aluminium tariffs, which gave him leverage over Juncker, remain in place. But the trade war has been called off, at least for now, with Juncker and Trump agreeing to work toward “zero tariffs” on industrial goods. The EU will even buy more liquid natural gas from America.

    Britain may not have all the coercive means that the US can bring to bear against the EU, but what Trump has shown is that where there’s sufficient will, there’s a way to tame the Eurocrats.

    The president even tweeted a photograph of Juncker giving him a kiss.

    Trump’s approach is effective in so many of his diplomatic gambits because it is as direct as it is insouciant – as Juncker himself said after their White House meeting, “he doesn’t like those who beat about the bush”. He does not let the details tie him down like Gulliver. Instead, he thinks only of his own strength.

    This attitude has been exemplified by his steps toward, then away from, a global trade war. He announces tariffs, offers some unsystematic exemptions, then plots his next move based on the chaotic new circumstances he has created. If a rival such as China retaliates, he is always prepared to escalate.

    In trade negotiations, as in nuclear diplomacy with North Korea, Trump combines aggression, strength and a surprising degree of flexibility to remake the terms of debate.

    The Prime Minister would not dream of trusting so much to instinct and luck. If Donald Trump were in charge of Brexit, he might well leave the EU before the questions that vex May and her Cabinet were settled. The Irish border? It might wind up as much of a mess as America’s airports after Trump’s sudden ban on travel from certain Muslim countries early last year.

    A Trump-style approach to the negotiations would probably see British exporters in much the same predicament as American agriculture is now, in need of assistance from 
the government to weather the troubles trade skirmishes have created.

    But such agonies can be palliated until they can be cured, and they are in any case the price that must be paid for acting on the voters’ mandate. From tariffs to the Iran deal, whatever the consequences, Trump has done exactly what he promised to do (though he has not been as reckless as his critics charge – on Iran, for example, he stuck with the agreement for a good 15 months and gave Tehran a chance to be heard).

    Theresa May, on the other hand, hesitates and dodges. She relies on avoidance and finesse, which does not mean she will come up with any better answers in the end. Her record so far indicates quite the opposite.

    Trump views the world in terms of power and determination, not law or morality. He is not interested in textbook theories of free trade. He is only concerned with what cheap, predominantly Chinese goods mean for America’s workers and industrial base. China pursues its self-interest in trade, and America must do likewise if it is to remain a great manufacturing power.

    Europe is not the primary target of Trump’s ire, but to the extent that the EU has accepted and exploited the unhealthy dynamic that America’s free-trade policies created, it has not behaved as an ally. Thus, Trump was willing to be as tough on Europe as on China, but now that the EU has shown a willingness to cooperate, he is quick to restore comity. Trump bends hostility to the service of stronger friendship, and he makes the chaos he creates serve as the basis for a better order.

    He applies the same point of view to foreign policy. He has made clear that he has no intentions of engaging in the kind of wars for regime change that Obama or Bush waged. He is not a dove, and he has no qualms about using force, but he uses it without the idealism that leads to debacles like those in Iraq and Libya. And arguably, his brand of diplomacy backed by force holds more promise of breakthroughs – like the one achieved on the Korean peninsula.

    Theresa May, alas, does not have at her disposal the power that Trump takes for granted. Nor does she have the courage in her convictions, or, some might say, the blind faith that Trump has in his instincts. She was herself a Remainer, after all, and is left to lead a great change that she herself would never have brought about.

    In this, she is not just different from Trump, she is the anti-Trump. That makes Brexit far more difficult than it has to be, and it means Britain will not have a smoother course than Trump’s America but instead is on course to experience another populist revolt.

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    • Corky

       /  July 28, 2018

      Not a bad track record for a supposed buffoon. That’s because most people don’t understand business strategies allied with good negotiation skills. People concentrate too much of Trumpy’s character flaws.

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    • Griff

       /  July 28, 2018

      Juncker used ‘brightly coloured, simple flashcards’ to explain trade to Trump during meeting
      European Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker reportedly used brightly coloured flash cards to explain international trade to US president Donald Trump.

      The pair met at the White House earlier this week for trade negotiations and Mr Juncker used cards with simple language and easy-to-understand explanations, according to a senior EU official who was at the meeting and spoke to the Wall Street Journal.

      “Each card had at most three figures about a specific topic, such as trade in cars or standards for medical devices,” the paper reported.

      EU president Juncker refuses to hold Trump’s hand

      The official said the EU team of negotiators was aware it was “not an academic seminar”.

      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-juncker-trade-us-eu-trade-tariffs-white-house-meeting-flashcards-a8467051.html

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    • Gezza

       /  July 28, 2018

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  7. Corky

     /  July 28, 2018

    Good to see Simon Bridges reads this blog, and in particular my criticism regarding Nationals lack of non negotiable policy commitments.

    Bridges recently tweeted:

    ”I’ve just announced our commitment to reinstate partnership schools & we’ll pass the legislation to do it within a year of getting back into govt.”

    Good stuff. It will be too late for some pupils who will drift off into a life of drug dependency and welfarism thanks to this present crop of socialist pricks who’ve destroyed their dreams in favour of their heathen ideology.

    But, during Nationals coming 20 year Reich, many children who don’t fit mainstream education will be given a chance of better education and a possible better life.

    Good work.

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    • Blazer

       /  July 28, 2018

      numbers being done for multi cultural new leadership team at National H.Q..word is Nuk Koroko and Dr Jiang.

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      • Corky

         /  July 28, 2018

        That will be the day. The ‘help’ can only go into certain areas of the office.

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        • That is pointlessly racist and unfunny, pointlessly aping an American usage and pointless generally.

          Even more pointless is your stated belief that Simon Bridges reads your rants on YNZ. If it was anyone else, I’d think that they were joking.

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          • Corky

             /  July 28, 2018

            I will have you know it twas me who suggested Simon get his missus to ring talkback yesterday while he was co-hosting on Radio Live. Great PR. Simon was ever so grateful for my guidance.

            Now, if that was you, my bet- you would suggest playing ‘I spy with my jaundiced eye..’ Or maybe a sausage sizzle. Some unimaginative crap like that.

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            • Griff

               /  July 28, 2018

              I would suggest the only one playing with something is you.

            • Corky

               /  July 28, 2018

              Good on you, Griffy. Never leave a comrade on the battlefield.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 28, 2018

              Sausages; dead pig’s fat fried.in fat..how gross. Crap is it. Revolting. I don’t eat meat, as the idea of eating animal carcases is abhorrent to me, and if I did, it wouldn’t be sausages.

              I assume that your other remarks are a try-hard attempt at being funny rather than a fabrication. I hope so. I’d hate to think that you believed it.

    • What mill ? That saying only makes sense if the mill is specified.

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      • Corky

         /  July 28, 2018

        Don’t worry. I’ll explain all around election time( the New Zealand General Election 2020).

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    • Blazer

       /  July 28, 2018

      they’ll bang that drum till the skins…gone.

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      • Corky

         /  July 28, 2018

        Try and be more literal. Kitty will tie herself in knots trying to work out why ‘they’ are beating a drum. 😁

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        • I am fully aware of the old cliche about the drum. Again the Witless Wonder tries to sound clever and fails dismally; shooting blanks and imagining that they have hit something. A popgun would have more effect.

          Corky is ‘tying himself in knots’ trying to be funny.

          Talking about an anonymous ‘they’ is sloppy thinking. ‘They’ do this and that…the argument of the ill-informed.

          Anyone who listened to your so-called explanations about elections would be an idiot. You don’t bother to vote. You are too lazy to go to a booth and fill out a voting paper. Your opinion is worthless.

          The saying is that all is grist to (a particular) mill. Your version is meaningless,

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  8. Blazer

     /  July 28, 2018

    2018-07-27_02-02-22

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  9. Corky

     /  July 28, 2018

    I’ve switched to Newshubs 6pm news. Hate to sat it, but it’s now better than One News.

    However, somethings don’t change. Tova O’Brian did a number on the National Party Conference. Guest speaker John Howard was reported as ”ranting.’ Winston was highlighted putting Bridges down. And the New Zealand national anthem being sung in English was an obliquely featured ( wink wink).

    Then it was on to Lauren Southern. She was highlight confusing the Cronulla riots with riots in another part of town. They then showed police telling her to basically fuck off from outside a Mosque. The reporter was at pains to tell viewers nothing happened. Southern did make a comment that you hardly heard a word of English in the street they were walking down.

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  July 28, 2018

    Been there never saw this but,saw nice hips moving, tired of the tempory Simon Bridges

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