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  1. David

     /  July 30, 2018

    Some welcome news from the US, despite the global pants wetting at exiting the deeply flawed Paris agreement the US for the 3rd year in a row has reduced its emissions from oil and gas and is emitting 12% less than it did in 2006.
    Last year also saw increases from Paris signatories China, Spain and ironically France amongst others which is a giggle but funniest of all is global superstar Trudeau oversaw an extra 17 million tons of emissions.
    Trump is just a useful distraction for virtue signalling signatory countries who are doing nothing to save the planet, they know if they slam Trump no journalist will go hang on whats happening over here.

    • Gezza

       /  July 30, 2018

      Global superstar Trudeau? Only in your head David.
      Keep it real.

      • David

         /  July 30, 2018

        Well he was until.his false eyebrow half fell off, God that was funny

        • Gezza

           /  July 30, 2018

          Another fail, I’m afraid. Fact check that with Snopes.
          I’ve already told you once to keep it real.
          Why are you trying to wreck your own credibility?

        • Griff.

           /  July 30, 2018

          • Corky

             /  July 30, 2018

            I take it, it was a windy day, Griff. Or..was that a Democrat he was talking with?

    • Griff.

       /  July 30, 2018

      Actually David the main reduction in the USA’s emissions has been the shift away from coal towards gas for electrical generation.
      Burning natural gas produces about 50% less carbon dioxide than coal per unit of energy.
      As the trump regime will not allow the epa to look into furtive emissions from fracking it is highly likely that this reduction is bullshite.

      Trump has tried to introduce tens of billions in subsidy’s for the coal generation industry to prop up its losing economics.

      • David

         /  July 30, 2018

        Regardless of hair splitting it’s a good thing and dont you think the signature countries should be embarrassed at their lack of progress compared with Trumps america

        • Griff.

           /  July 30, 2018

        • Joe Bloggs

           /  July 30, 2018

          so facts are now “hair splitting”

          That’s side … splitting… You’re becoming more Orwellian every day David.

          The federal outlook on climate action has not improved.

          The Trump Administration has increased tariffs on imported solar cells and modules which may slow the uptake of solar technologies in the US. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is considering proposing a rule to replace the Clean Power Plan that would limit emissions reductions to actions at individual power plants, instead of requiring entire states to meet emissions standards. The EPA has also announced that it will weaken fuel efficiency standards for cars and trucks. And the Bureau of Land Management has delayed key requirements to reduce methane waste from oil and gas production until at least 2019

          https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/usa/?url_selector=/countries/

    • Patzcuaro

       /  July 30, 2018

      Trump doing his bit for the construction industry in the US.

  2. Blazer

     /  July 30, 2018

    an epiphany of the ‘AmericanDream’…

    ‘I spent my whole life,working hard,to make a whole lot of money,to buy a whole lot of things,to impress a whole lot of people…..who I didn’t really like….anyway’-Anon.

    • Gezza

       /  July 30, 2018

      John Key. Ticking off his to do list & CV with the PM’s job & basically just tsking credit for & liviing off Bill English’s Finance skills.

      • Blazer

         /  July 30, 2018

        Sir William English…idea*..lets borrow 100 billion from Wall St as interest bearing debt.
        Future generations can pay it off.
        Simply brilliant…give that man a …knighthood,if there are any left in the…cupboard.

        • Gezza

           /  July 30, 2018

          What’s Grant Robertson doing on that score – apart from new levies (#moretaxes)?

          • Blazer

             /  July 30, 2018

            what can anyone do ?
            Robertson makes provision to pay back the debts.

            More taxes are inevitable because the interest bearing debt monster never sleeps.

            Why do you think there is such a huge difference in the price of living over decades?

            Lending money to Govts is the best deal ever.
            They always pay back the debt,because they can raise ..taxes.

            • PDB

               /  July 30, 2018

              Blazer: “More taxes are inevitable because the interest bearing debt monster never sleeps.”

              No, more taxes under this govt are inevitable as money is needed to fill their financial hole that didn’t allow for public service pay increases and to fund the important stuff like ‘good looking’ horses & more useless diplomats in countries we don’t need them.

            • Gezza

               /  July 30, 2018

              No – I mean has he borrowed anything from Wall Street, and if yes – how much?

          • Gezza

             /  July 30, 2018

            $8 billion. So far.

        • Trevors_elbow

           /  July 30, 2018

          You keep running this. Obviously they should have slashed the big spends I.e. Health, education and welfare to balance the budget when the gfc hit…

          Lies by omission again from you Blazer… always leaving out the context and never stating the alternative…

          • Blazer

             /  July 30, 2018

            the alternative’ is labelled ‘barking mad’ as you..well know.

            • Trevors_elbow

               /  July 31, 2018

              Ah the recourse for a bs merchant… no alternative just sniping from the sidelines… an almost typical know it all leftie with nothing but grievance and no real plan…

      • PDB

         /  July 30, 2018

        Gezza: “John Key. Ticking off his to do list & CV with the PM’s job & basically just tsking credit for & liviing off Bill English’s Finance skills.”

        Somewhat unfair as Key has excellent economic knowledge & speaks well on the subject. In comparison he makes Ardern look like some sort of fish and chip wrapper or something.

        • Blazer

           /  July 30, 2018

          Yes Key worked for Merrill Lynch and was a successful forex gambler.
          Helps when you’re on the inside.

          Who’s rigging the rates…these days?

        • Corky

           /  July 30, 2018

          He spoke well on these issues with Mikey. Claims his Chinese contacts told him China has some economic problems. Maybe that’s why Trumpy is going for broke.

          SIir John also believes another economic downturn is coming. Grant Robertson, who followed on after Key, agreed with some of Key’s comments.

          • PDB

             /  July 30, 2018

            Who could forget that almost the first things Winston and Ardern said upon forming the new govt was to prepare for an economic downturn (but don’t blame us!).

            And they wonder why business confidence is rock-bottom.

            • Corky

               /  July 30, 2018

              Shysters of the first water, PDB

            • Blazer

               /  July 30, 2018

              business confidence is always down with a Labour Govt…

              Venal big business knows who butters their…bread.

            • PDB

               /  July 30, 2018

              Traditionally not this low though…

              NZ Herald: “New Zealand has tumbled down the OECD business confidence rankings to the second lowest among countries in the developed world.
              Two years ago New Zealand was the third highest in the OECD, but now everyone except South Korea is above New Zealand.”

        • Gezza

           /  July 30, 2018

          Somewhat unfair

          At least you have enuf clues to agree it’s only “somewhat”.

          • Gezza

             /  July 30, 2018

            he makes Ardern look like some sort of fish and chip wrapper or something

            Agreed there’s not much there to work with.

          • PDB

             /  July 30, 2018

            “At least you have enuf clues to agree it’s only “somewhat”.”

            I was being kind to you so you could save face.

            The good thing about the Key/English combo is that both gave people confidence in their economic smarts. In comparison I still get the impression Robertson is still frantically reading every economics book he can lay his hands on and Ardern has very little interest in the subject.

            • Gezza

               /  July 30, 2018

              It’s too late to save my face. I’ve lived too hard & smoked too much.
              Explain to me how Key fulfilled his promise to fix the housing crisis, to start with.

            • PDB

               /  July 30, 2018

              Politics ruined much needed RMA reform – still is. A strong economy raises house prices as demand rises. No doubt this current govt are well on the way to doing the complete opposite.

            • duperez

               /  July 30, 2018

              C’mon now, Key did not make a promise he could fulfil to fix the housing crisis. There was no crisis. Please keep up! 🙃

            • Blazer

               /  July 30, 2018

              from a respected economist…

              ‘The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable. John Kenneth Galbraith

            • Blazer

               /  July 30, 2018

              2 more from Galbraith for you…

              ‘Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. John Kenneth Galbraith

              ‘The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith

            • Gezza

               /  July 30, 2018

              Politics ruined much needed RMA reform – still is. A strong economy raises house prices as demand rises.

              We’re talking about your hero, John Key. So I ignore the deflection.

              Thank you. I accept your sad attempt to bury your acknowledgement of Key’s utter failure there a win for me.

              Next question:
              How did John Key lift us out of being a low wage economy?

            • PDB

               /  July 30, 2018

              As you are biased towards yourself your ‘win’ has been denounced.

              Next question;

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/105627756/new-zealand-has-issues-but-the-idea-it-is-a-lowwage-economy-is-a-myth

            • Gezza

               /  July 30, 2018

              Pathetic riposte. Pasting a polemical article from a champion of low wages.

              “New Zealand is included among a group of countries – Australia, Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and the UK – where wages don’t buy as much as they could.

              That’s right: Australia – where the grass has always been deemed to be greener, and Switzerland – which has long been lauded for its quality of life.

              There are several possible explanations for wages in this group being higher than their PPP.

              The Nordic countries have high tax rates, which support their social infrastructure but dilute their spending power.

              That our wages compare well with many developed countries, but don’t buy as much in other countries, is not a simple wages problem.

              The solution is not as straightforward as raising the wages of the lowest-paid jobs. That simply creates the inflationary issue of relativity.”

              Blah blah.

              Why do we have all these transfer payments?

            • PDB

               /  July 30, 2018

              Told you many times before, I personally know of many low skilled jobs well above minimum wage that are not being filled, or if they are many are soon vacated again once the ‘worker’ decides work is optional or doesn’t fit their late night Fortnite playing schedule. Well paid jobs are available with good employers, good workers generally are not & productivity in this country is rat-shit and even then only propped up by generally harder-working immigrants.

            • Gezza

               /  July 30, 2018

              I’m not disputing situations where employers pay above minimum wage & just can’t get lazy full-time dumb as wasters’ arses off the couch & off the bong or the P pipe or the piss. As long as they aren’t employers who put in a half a million bucks of plant or plants & then whine there’s no one to help them make their fortune because the jobs aren’t permanent & they didn’t have a strategy to staff them.

              Caseworkers? Starbucks? Warehouse? Retail staff? Bunnngs staff? Bank workers? Compared to MASSIVELY overpaid money traders & executive board members & chairmen of fonterra?

              I repeat – Why do we have all these transfer payments?

            • Gezza

               /  July 30, 2018

              *Caseworkers should say careworkers, soz

            • Griff.

               /  July 30, 2018

              Yip
              ya see if you google wages for a job say truck driver.
              Stressful job in Shite traffic driving 200,000 bucks worth of kit a bad driver will destroy for you.
              Average wage 21 bucks an hour .
              That aint lots over the minimum wage for a job that actually takes skill and concentration or ya kill peploe.
              Try the same with farm hand.
              Crap hours dirty work in all weather conditions out in the boondocks .
              Ya dont want a moron cause they will cost you money if they dont keep their wits about them .
              $16,70 an hour
              20cents over what ya get for flipping burgers .
              Cant get good staff pay more.
              That might actuality work dont ya think .
              Pay more dont mean a couple of bucks over minimum wage.
              When a wanker in the office is earning 60 bucks an hour sitting on his arse doing Sweet FA.

  3. Griff.

     /  July 30, 2018

    Seems the Orange one is getting worried.
    His ranting shows his concern as the nose tightens.
    The public opinion that Trump should be impeached is now level with Nixon’s

    ..Also, why is Mueller only appointing Angry Dems, some of whom have worked for Crooked Hillary, others, including himself, have worked for Obama….And why isn’t Mueller looking at all of the criminal activity & real Russian Collusion on the Democrats side-Podesta, Dossier?
    24 mins ago · Twitter

    Is Robert Mueller ever going to release his conflicts of interest with respect to President Trump, including the fact that we had a very nasty & contentious business relationship, I turned him down to head the FBI (one day before appointment as S.C.) & Comey is his close friend..
    32 mins ago · Twitter

    There is No Collusion! The Robert Mueller Rigged Witch Hunt, headed now by 17 (increased from 13, including an Obama White House lawyer) Angry Democrats, was started by a fraudulent Dossier, paid for by Crooked Hillary and the DNC. Therefore, the Witch Hunt is an illegal Scam!
    1 hour ago · Twitter

    • PDB

       /  July 30, 2018

      Griff: “:The public opinion that Trump should be impeached is now level with Nixon’s”

      Should public opinion have anything to do with someone being impeached?

      • Blazer

         /  July 30, 2018

        why bother with public opinion…why even go to the trouble of letting them vote…waste of time and…money.

        • PDB

           /  July 30, 2018

          Blazer: “why even go to the trouble of letting them vote…”

          According to many they were just mindless Russian programmed drones….weren’t they?

          • Blazer

             /  July 30, 2018

            Republican or Democrat..you always get…Wall St.

      • Griff.

         /  July 30, 2018

        Not really.
        but .
        The only way trump will get impeached is if the GOP stop supporting him.
        The only reason the GOP will stop supporting Trump is voters reject them because of Trump aka the public’s opinion.

        • Nose was obviously a typo, but an apposite one, which typos are not, as a rule 😀

          • Griff.

             /  July 30, 2018

            Gee kitty i had to google apposite.
            Apt.

            • The image of Trump’s nose being squeezed is wonderful. 😀

              ‘Led go, you’re hurtig be !’

  4. PartisanZ

     /  July 30, 2018

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Bridges

    I thought he’d better make an appearance on Open Forum, which has been hijacked and become World View …

    It’s clearly ‘Simon Bridges Day’ at YNZ today … So stick to the topic you lot!

    • Gezza

       /  July 30, 2018

      Winston Peters features in two. PG’s always open to guest posts.

  5. lurcher1948

     /  July 30, 2018

    WHATS HAPPENING WITH THE MONEY,is it in Jordans bank account
    Dr. Michael Bassett – Former Labour Party Minister
    Dr. Don Brash – Former leader of the National and Act Parties, and former Governor of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand
    Ashley Church – Business Leader
    Dr. David Cumin – Senior Lecturer University of Auckland
    Melissa Derby – University of Canterbury Academic
    Stephen Franks – Lawyer
    Paul Moon – Professor of History Auckland University of Technology
    Lindsay Perigo – Broadcaster
    Rachel Poulain – Writer
    Chris Trotter – Political Commentator
    Jordan Williams – Lawyer

    • Corky

       /  July 30, 2018

      Maybe they bought the SUNDAY programme off, Lurchy.? Next Sunday they’ll be doing a programme on this free speech issue. I can’t wait to see if a reasonable job of the subject matter is done, or whether it’ll be out-of-context clips. A studio debate would be good, but unlikely because the narrative couldn’t be controlled. Neither could Pitbull Perigo who would no doubt offend Muslims.

      • Gezza

         /  July 30, 2018

        A studio debate would be good
        Every now & then you say something worthwhile.

        I was thinking last night of the poverty of tv political analysis on our goggle boxes. I would like to see more head to head 30 minute to 1 hour debates, so I can evaluate the ongoing credibility & suitability of leaders & ministers for myself & not have the egotistical talking head from tv (especially Lisa bloody Owen) interfering in that opportunity.

        10 – 15 minutes with a tv interviewer dominating the appearance of only one politician at a time is inadequate & useless. No wonder nobody pays much attention to – really or knows much about – the people we pay a bloody fortune to in salary & perks & a gold plated superannuation scheme to run the country on our behalf.

      • Blazer

         /  July 30, 2018

        Perigo is a tad…’mum and dad’.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  July 30, 2018

    “One of them plays the drums. Takes some skill.
    One of them plays other people’s records. Takes no skill”.
    Read this on a nearby national rightwing blog, but a smarter poster would post, Albert Instien never played the drums, but at least the tempory leader of the failed national party Simon Bridges could get a job in a social band playing social clubs when the jackals come for him.

    • Corky

       /  July 30, 2018

      Once Kitty translates, I will reply to you, Lurchy.

      • lurcher1948

         /  July 30, 2018

        A short explanation,in the dim past Bridges played the drums and Jacinda liked listening to music so the righty made out bridges is smarter because he bashed drums, thank god Hitler didn’t play drums,could have been embarrassing,sorted it out for you Corky and PDB… i will draw pictures and use captions to help you next time

        • Corky

           /  July 30, 2018

          Thanks. Your explanation is as clear as swamp mud. However, we can see you put much thought and effort into your reply. I’m sure we can all respect that.

    • Gezza

       /  July 30, 2018

      Who the hell is Albert Instein – and if he didn’t play the drums, was he a guitarist or singer or something?

      • Gezza

         /  July 30, 2018

        *Instien, sorry.

        • lurcher1948

           /  July 30, 2018

          Sorry,stupid old pensioner here, sure it was spelt that way

          • Gezza

             /  July 30, 2018

            Bugger it Lurchy. Spent the last 10 minutes on YouTube trying to find the blighter & see if his band’s any bloody good.

  7. lurcher1948

     /  July 30, 2018

    Mark Mitchel on RIGHTWING NZME ZB said national is banning gang patches just now,pity Simon Bridges didn’t know, Jackals can smell a weakness,they are circling Simon

    • Blazer

       /  July 30, 2018

      Mark Mitchell another yankee doodle,poodle…on steroids.

  8. Corky

     /  July 30, 2018

    Deportation is on the cards for these two vicious Islanders. Let’s hope the limp wrist brigade doesn’t go into bat for them. Surely even they must see these animals are feral and dangerous… just like their feral family members in the court gallery.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12096962

  9. lurcher1948

     /  July 30, 2018

    Picture of jackals feasting on the remains of Simon Bridges leadership in the near…future

    • Blazer

       /  July 30, 2018

      egads..wheres my mate HFD when you need him…

      ‘We all agree that pessimism is a mark of superior intellect. John Kenneth Galbraith

      • High Flying Duck

         /  July 30, 2018

        From one charlatan about another…
        “Krugman asserts that Galbraith was never taken seriously by fellow academics, who instead viewed him as more of a “media personality”. For example, Krugman believes that Galbraith’s work, The New Industrial State, is not considered to be “real economic theory”, and that Economics in Perspective is “remarkably ill-informed””

        • Blazer

           /  July 30, 2018

          the National..malady..

          ‘There’s a certain part of the contented majority who love anybody who is worth a billion dollars. John Kenneth Galbraith

          • High Flying Duck

             /  July 30, 2018

            It’s the lefties who fall over themselves over rich celebrities isn’t it?

            • Gezza

               /  July 30, 2018

              Explain Trump’s election? That’s his point. Conservatives in the US have an automatic love of anyone who’s fllthy rich, even those who got there by being filthy.

              The lefties fall over only those rich celebrities who make a show of speaking up for the poor & handing out tv networks’ or charity diners’ dough to a microscopically teeny fraction of adoring airheaded jumping up & down with joy women.

              And they adore them for their celebrity status, not their money.

            • Blazer

               /  July 30, 2018

              Thiel 12 days in NZ= fast track citizenship…compliments Nats..comes to mind.

    • lurcher1948

       /  July 30, 2018

      Isn’t he the coward who ran away when he saw the country was going to tank and yes he got a job looking after Australia’s banking interests,and stood on a stage with an OLD australian PM to show whose country,the national party supports and grovels to

  10. I only know one billionaire (a US one who spends a lot of time here) and he’s a good bloke.

    When he and his husband built their new house in the US, they had a large, long room put in the middle for the dogs to run and play in. What a nice man !

    • Gezza

       /  July 30, 2018

      How did he make his money & does he do anything philanthropic with it?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 30, 2018

        He began with Bill Gates then branched out. I don’t want to say anything that might identify him and make me a name dropper. I don’t know him well, he was at our house once and I have been at things where he has been. My old man knew him. I was very surprised to discover who he was; he has a name that can be spelt several ways, and it was only when I saw it written down that I realised who the unassuming American (nice Jewish boy) was.

        He does a lot of philanthropic work. He doesn’t make a parade of it, though, just does it. He also enjoys his money and as he loves good cars, always has a seriously swoon-faint one, His NZ one is a modest little runabout one.

    • lurcher1948

       /  July 30, 2018

      Sounds like dog hell

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  July 30, 2018

        Not when you see it. Many dogs would think that it was dog heaven to have such a large area to play in when it’s too cold to go out.

        Remember that this is the US, and their winters are very severe.

  11. lurcher1948

     /  July 30, 2018

    Andrew Dickens has got the alt right knuckle draggers out in force this afternoon, SCARY, don’t breed BAD,be coloured(criminal)WE,must be an australian arse licker(covers the NATIONAL PARTY, and must despise Andrew Little, as he actually has a brain and doesn’t do NATIONALS lock them up and throw away the key”FOR SMOKING A MARS BAR”law.
    At least NZ will have a human GOVT for over 8 year,

  12. lurcher1948

     /  July 30, 2018

    LOVE Tahiti…

  13. lurcher1948

     /  July 30, 2018

    Winston Peters moving on

    • Gezza

       /  July 30, 2018

      So long Winston, & thanks for all the fish.

      • Gezza

         /  July 30, 2018

        Only caught the last minute or two of that. Wish they’d post the whole damn Monday post cabinet press briefings to Youtube. These live ones already half over are tits on a bull.

        Who was the silly cow who asked him if whiskey should swallowed or swilled? & then asked him if he was threatening Peter Goodfellow after she said his comments were why she asked. Farkin pathetic. Get rid of her.

        No wonder he basically rolled his eyes & just ended there.

        • Corky

           /  July 30, 2018

          Peter Dunn is impressed with Winston’s effort as acting PM. He believes Winston has made this government about him and his party with his competency, unlike Jacinda who is perceived as lurching from one crisis to the next.

          • Gezza

             /  July 30, 2018

            I’ll make my call when she’s been 6 weeks back in the saddle in case I’m being influenced by subconscious sexism, but whether I like Peters or not, so far he’s shown he’s more than capable of herding a bunch of fractious, lost cats & brushing off the jackals of the media & that smarmy conservative kid that National’s pinning its hopes on.

            • I can’t imagine why someone would ask such a senseless question. What was the answer ?

            • Gezza

               /  July 30, 2018

              First, he looked at her like she was a total waste of time & space, then his first answer was something like: “Why on earth would you ask that question?”

            • Gezza

               /  July 30, 2018

              Then, from memory, she compounded her stupidity, by saying something along the lines of “Well … it’s well known that you like Whiskey”.
              FFS. Where do they get these bimbos?

  14. lurcher1948

     /  July 30, 2018

    Thinking of you Corky and Geeza and under the past govt and like sheep we excepted everything by right but then labour moved in and educated the sheep( NATIONAL VOTERS) and are redistributing the rich national fatcats money for better uses, here is a fast version of wealth redistribution…this is a public service

    • PDB

       /  July 30, 2018

      Lurch: “are redistributing the rich national fatcats money for better uses”

      I’m sure the well-off first time students, the Pacific Island nations, diplomats, struggling millionaires unable to heat their homes during winter and race horse owners are thankful for the extra money.

      • lurcher1948

         /  July 30, 2018

        PDB don’t worry Sir Key said the blue rinse national supporters are going down the gurgler, as NZ started to dip in 2016 and SIR KEY ran away leaving Bill English to face a non-existent lifeboat,NEVER TRUST A GRINNING MONEY MARKET DEALER,or someone on an australian bank

        • Blue rinses in 2018 ? What a dated image.

          • lurcher1948

             /  July 30, 2018

            Party of oldies

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 30, 2018

              You’d need to be an oldie to have even seen a blue rinse.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  July 30, 2018

              Blue rinses went out of production in 2006, as there was no demand for them and hadn’t been for a long time.

  15. lurcher1948

     /  July 30, 2018

    It would be nice if the religious sanitarium maker of Weetabix opps weatbix paid their way in NZ, PAY SOME TAXES ARSEHOLES, AND STOP BEING RELIGIOUS BLUDGERS and go the little person being sued by the RELIGIOUS BLUDGERS and i bet sanitarium donate to the national party, put $1 on it to keep their tax free status, they are some wacko feral cult
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/business/ruling-likely-on-canterbury-stores-legal-spat-with-sanitarium/ar-BBLeyPg?li=BBqddE1

  16. lurcher1948

     /  July 30, 2018

    This would disturb the Hector Dolphin, lets do it

    • Gezza

       /  July 30, 2018

      Who in their right bloody mind would want to do that to the Hector’s Dolphins!
      How many have you had & have you eaten anything?

      • lurcher1948

         /  July 30, 2018

        Yes to both 🙂 and have a great evening