Peters promises to fix medicinal cannabis bill ‘defects’…

…sort of. He only agreed that Parliament would make it better, vaguely.

The medical cannabis bill currently being considered by Parliament hit a stalemate in the Health Committee that could not reach agreement so couldn’t recommend it. Final report (Misuse of Drugs (Medicinal Cannabis) Amendment Bill) [PDF 595k]

Recommendation

The Health Committee has examined the Misuse of Drugs (Medicinal Cannabis) Amendment Bill. We have been unable to reach agreement and therefore cannot recommend that the bill proceed.

Winston Peters was asked about this on Q & A last night:

Corrin Dann: Can you put party politics aside and for the chronic pain sufferers out there tonight, give them an assurance that you will try and make a bill that is better than Labour’s, and maybe a bit of a halfway house? Will you do something?

Winston Peters: Well on two counts. We’ve put party politics aside more than any other party. That’s why we argued for a long time for the referendum. And we were on our own on that score.

But on this matter, I mean it’s a bit rich for Mr bridges to be saying that when his former minister [Peter Dunne] said that he’d been trying to do that, that’s what he’s talking about now, for the last nine years and he’d been blocked by his colleagues.

Corrin Dann: I get that it’s cynical, it’s a stunt, call it what you will…

Winston Peters: …and wearing a green tie doesn’t cut it.

Corrin Dann: For the people at home who are chronic suffers, under Labour’s bill you effectively have to be terminal, don’t you, in order to be able to get access to the cannabis.

Winston Peters: Well not quite like that, but let me just say…

Corrin Dann: …Will you go further though?

Winston Peters: Well I’ve made it very clear, and I’m certain it goes for a whole lot of people in Parliament as well, that they want to put politics aside. They don’t like these sort of tactics, and in the full committee of the House we’ll have a real chance to make any appropriate changes if we can.

But these people [chronic pain sufferers] can’t wait.

But the National Party bill for example would not have helped Helen Kelly. So if there are defects on both sides of the proposals, let’s fix them up. I agree with you.

Corrin Dann: You’ll make it better?

Winston Peters: Yes.

Peters saying he will make things very clear is no guarantee he will do that. Often the opposite. And he was not veery clear about what he will do, or can do.

And Peters blaming others for playing politics is a tad hypocritical,

Nevertheless, Peters may be an important factor in fixing a flawed bill.

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  1. Reply
    • PartisanZ

       /  July 30, 2018

      So, we discover … Today it costs the Police $400 million of taxpayer resources to prosecute half the cannabis offences it cost the Police $400 million of taxpayer resources to prosecute 10 years ago … Wow! That’s fucking wonderful news eh!?

      Reply
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  3. NOEL

     /  July 30, 2018

    Yah know if the medicinal cannibis bill had not had “leaf” and “grow your own” but instead focused only on oil would probably have gone to a 3rd reading with cross party support.
    Just saying.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  July 30, 2018

      Yep … That’s the REAL fear …

      Amidst all the organised crime, violence, money laundering, cutting, suspicion, waste of enormous taxpayer resources and community paranoia, what ‘the Powers That Be’ are truly scared of is ordinary people growing a ancient, sacred medicinal herb in their own back yards …

      Now that’s genuinely fucked-up …

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      • PartisanZ

         /  July 30, 2018

        I should have said “amidst all those things DIRECTLY CAUSED by the prohibition legislation” …

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    • Griff.

       /  July 30, 2018

      Leaf?
      No one uses the leaf of the cannabis plant .
      They use the flowers .

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      • Pickled Possum

         /  July 30, 2018

        Oh, Griff …. the roots are used in the making of medicinal balm.
        Just rub your pain away.
        Leaf is made into a tea used for pain.
        Flowers are used for the powerful effect on pain and smoked.
        All these products can be used in cooking without the sky falling in.

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        • Blazer

           /  July 30, 2018

          ‘All these products can be used in cooking without the sky falling in.’

          noticed a few people had to be hospitalised recently when a worker baked a cake and left it for his fellow workers…smoko.

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          • Griff.

             /  July 30, 2018

            had to be hospitalised
            No.
            They panicked.
            The cure for a cannabis od is go to sleep for a few hours .
            There are no possible health risk such that hospitalization is required.

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            • Blazer

               /  July 30, 2018

              don’t think there was a label warning of side effects on the…cake.

            • Griff.

               /  July 30, 2018

              Mates boxer dog once stole and gulped down an entire cannabis cake that was cooling on the bench top.
              Enough cannabis to get half a dozen adults wasted.
              He stayed in his kennel for a whole day feeling sorry for himself.
              Was fine the next morning.

            • Poor doggy !

              I know someone whose horse was staggering around and falling over. They rang the vet in a huge panic, sure that their beloved horse was seriously ill, perhaps dying.

              The vet came and diagnosed a severe case of greed with windfall apples that had fermented…the horse was blind drunk.Wasted. Lying on the ground giggling and singing ‘Show me the way to go home !’

              I hate to think what a horse’s headache the morning after the night before feels like,

          • Pickled Possum

             /  July 30, 2018

            Blaza .. yes those people were not expecting a cannabis effect. By the sounds of it, the man put too much cannabis in the cake. When my friends cook with it it is as an oil for stir-frys. Some say the cakes are too rich for them.

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            • Blazer

               /  July 30, 2018

              yes cakes are very fattening…your ‘friends’ are on the right track with a tasty stir fry in cannabis oil….do try grilled chicken with a side salad of blanched ‘headless cabbage’….a friend of mine ,said it was…um..good. 😉

            • Dear me. I am learning from this post.

    • Zedd

       /  July 30, 2018

      yes but the ‘loose leaf’ (buds) have effects (vaped) that the extracts do not have.. they found this too. with synthetics (med-use versions) that they are also not a effective as ‘whole herb’ CBD/THC for pain & distress. CBDs are good for neurological issues; MS, Epilepsy, Dravet Syndm. etc

      🙂

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  4. PartisanZ

     /  July 30, 2018

    One thing is certain, if you want to obfuscate, cloud and generally delay things even more, hand them over to Winston Peters …

    We don’t know what he’s saying … and I honestly doubt whether he knows what he’s saying either …

    It no longer matters who’s playing the politics. All of this is just political arsing around now.

    These statements should put Peters in a credibility testing situation of having to improve Labour’s ‘Claytons’ Bill … but the system is designed so that no such credibility jurisprudence exists …

    And no … a General Election does NOT constitute such a credibility test …

    And no … the next Poll results do NOT constitute such a credibility test …

    P.S. So, we discover … it costs the Police $400 million of taxpayer resources to prosecute half the cannabis offences it cost the Police $400 million of taxpayer resources to prosecute 10 years ago … Wow! That’s fucking wonderful news eh!?

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    • Zedd

       /  July 30, 2018

      @PZ

      I agree that Winston maybe a ‘stumbling block’ but the real one is Natl’ refusing to support the Govt. bill or work to improve it.. then introducing ‘their own’ just to stymie it more; going the ‘Big Pharm. corporate route’ only

      Reply
  5. NOEL

     /  July 30, 2018

    Fist we have a has been Ausdie pollie spouting about how bad our political system is and now the Greens are pandering to pommy journalists .

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  6. David

     /  July 30, 2018

    Say no to drugs guys, might not give my vote to NZ First if they cave on this issue.

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    • Gezza

       /  July 30, 2018

      Are you a teetotaller, out of interest?

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      • David

         /  July 30, 2018

        Certainly not a teetotaller but have never taken drugs but largely because they dont interest me rather than having any objection to them.
        I think all drugs should be legalized including heroin, P, coke and whatever else takes your fancy as its no business of the state as to what you put in your body. However if there are any costs associated with your usage that arnt supported by the tax on drugs then you can die in a gutter.

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        • Gezza

           /  July 30, 2018

          See below. I’ve got hit by the Random WordPress Wilkinson Effect again.

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        • Griff.

           /  July 30, 2018

          Alcohol is a drug.
          It would suit pot heads to a t if we did not have to pay for the damage your drug of choice does and we paid and for ours with suitable taxes on both.
          Pot would be near free and piss would cost a fortune.

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          • Pink David

             /  July 30, 2018

            “Pot would be near free and piss would cost a fortune.”

            Complete nonsense. The government profits greatly from alcohol, as do most people. Your ongoing inability to do the maths is distressing.

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            • Griff.

               /  July 30, 2018

              Yess
              Alcohol is responsible for.
              At least a third of all police recorded offenses. 50% of violent ones. Fulls our police cells, our courts, and our prisons.
              25% of all A&E admissions rising to 50% in the weekends. 20% of all traffic accidents.
              Drink to much in a few hours and it kills drink to much for long enough and stopping can kill.
              Causes mental disorders from fetal alcohol syndrome to early onset dementia. Significant cause of premature deaths from car accidents to cancers .
              Destroys relationships and family’s . Major reason for work absenteeism and lost productivity.

              The tax take is nowhere near the costs it places on society .

              Have another drink …..hic.

  7. Gezza

     /  July 30, 2018

    If you’re not a teetotaller you’re a drug user. That’s the third time today I’ve had to tell you get real.

    Every country in the world has had to pass laws to try & control the abuse of your preferred drug & stop you driving under its influence & being a danger to other people when you’ve been a user.

    And if you get clobbered by another user of your preferred drug, presumably you think you can die in a bloody gutter or on the highway too – Yes?

    Say no to drugs, David.

    Have you got brewery shares?

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    • David

       /  July 30, 2018

      Its also the 3rd time today that in your pursuit of being the resident hall monitor you have totally missed the point.
      Laws are rightly passed to stop externalities which is perfectly fine, drink driving effects others so is banned, but if you want to sit on the couch and get fucked up its absolutely no business of anyone elses least of all the governments. We tax booze which covers the costs of its harm and serious boozers die early and quickly saving a fortune. Booze industry employs a lot of people, pays a lot of tax,s earns loads of export dollars and makes many a social event much more enjoyable. Call it a drug if you like but you sound like Doug Sellman.

      If you stop people doing themselves harm well you had better start banning fatty foods, sugary drinks, rugby, horse riding, gyms.

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      • Gezza

         /  July 30, 2018

        I’m not being a hall monitor I’m calling you out on your bullshit.

        All of the regulatory & taxation & education regimes can be equally applied to other drugs than just your preferred poison & save a wasted bloody fortune in taxes spent not received in combatting drug use and associated criminal activity caused by their being banned.

        Call me Doug Sellmsn if you like but you sound like a drug user.

        Have you got any brewery shares?

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      • PartisanZ

         /  July 31, 2018

        No way the tax take on liquor pays for the cost of its harm … Absolutely no way …

        Excess drinking, like property speculation, is a foundation and pillar of our society, and its obverse, alcoholism and problem drinking, is a scourge upon it …

        It’s basically a disease with no cure upon which we spend fuck all on prevention …

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  8. I was irritated by hearing on New Shub that we are not doing enough about people using ‘synthetic cannabis’ ( bad name, but we’re stuck with it and everyone knows what it means)

    What more CAN be done to stop idiots killing themselves with it ? The users must know the dangers. It’s their choice to start using it, knowing that it might be going to kill them.

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