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  1. lurcher1948

     /  August 1, 2018

    Hasn’t the right hon Winston Peters (My man) done a great job running our country.The sky didn’t fall in and Simon Bridges only made two stuff ups and the country is ready to continue again under Jacinda Ardern

    • David

       /  August 1, 2018

      The expectation was that he would totally screw it up, low bar for your guy unless you count the further plunge in business confidence.
      I think he has been ok.

  2. David

     /  August 1, 2018

    I dont know if anyone else watched the train wreck interview of Roseanne on Fox, truly terrible and she clearly needs some help but it coincides with the firing by Disney of the Guardians of the Galaxy director, and viciously anti Trump fella, for a series of tweets supportive of pedophiles from way back. Both incidents were appalling but there was a massive pile on on one and the other is gaining some high powered and widespread support to be reinstated.
    Personally I agree with both of them being fired but the twitter pile ons are getting tiresome, they are starting to take out people on the left now, and are resembling lynchings. 7% of Americans are on Twitter but 100% of journalists will be and Roseanne shouldnt have been on there at all.

    • Is that the one where she shrieked that she’ thought that the bitch was white’ ?

      She’s trying to pass the ape/ISIS* thing off as a political remark rather than a rascist one, but that is hard to believe.

      * or whatever it was

  3. Corky

     /  August 1, 2018

    Just heard Duncan Garner crawling to Winston, apologizing for bad mouthing him for not keeping two interview appointments. If Duncan was expecting Winston to say ‘apology accepted,’ he was wrong. Apology not accepted. Garner now joins the National Party on Winston’s black list. Kia Kaha, Duncan.😄

  4. lurcher1948

     /  August 1, 2018

    Sir Key and his employer the Australian ANZ have managed to talk New Zealand into the ground in less than a year, the National party is proud of your efforts Sir Key,congratulations to the business muppets who loved the minimum wage/ low productivity reign under National welcome to the brave new world and adapt and stop whinging, bosses…just saying

  5. Corky

     /  August 1, 2018

    Scientific Heresy With Corky

    A quote from one of Nikola Tesla’s speeches.

    “Only the existence of a field of force can account for the
    motions of the bodies as observed, and its assumption
    dispenses with space curvature. All literature on this
    subject is futile and destined to oblivion. So are all
    attempts to explain the workings of the universe without
    recognizing the existence of the ether and the
    indispensable function it plays in the phenomena.
    My second discovery was of a physical truth of the greatest
    importance. As I have searched the entire scientific
    records in more than a half dozen languages for a long time
    without finding the least anticipation, I consider myself
    the original discoverer of this truth, which can be
    expressed by the statement: There is no energy in matter
    other than that received from the environment.” – Nikola Tesla

    What does that mean? Tesla is basically saying Einstein is wrong. And our understanding of how the universe works is badly flawed.

    • Griff.

       /  August 1, 2018

      So there is no such thing as a nuclear bomb then?
      E=MC^2 works.
      Einsteins theory of relativity is as close as we presently have to describing reality.
      We have measured the curvature of space time by super massive objects like black holes as predicted by Einstein.

      • Corky

         /  August 1, 2018

        I told you before ( I think), that a nuclear bomb is a geo-harmonic device. Tesla was big on harmonics. Please remember Einstein was a theorist, Tesla was a creator with an unimaginable IQ. Some of his inventions are still suppressed, or conveniently forgotten.

        However, a fair point given the huge progress science has made during the last 100 years.

        Put it this way( I’m not a theoretical physicist) Imagine a wart disease strikes humanity. The worlds population all get debilitating warts on their thumb. There is no cure. Then someone comes up with a theory that amputating the thumb cures the problem. And it does. That is a proven fact. But..no thumb. Then someone has a theory that man wasn’t meant to have thumbs and that we have been designing machines and creating theories based on humans having thumbs. So we create things based on humans having four fingers. And that works to.

        Then some nut says ” hold on’ this is madness. And people retort, ‘you are an idiot, we have scientific proof you are wrong.’

        So, making things work on a wrong theory is easy. Striping away wrong human perceptions is the problem holding man back from stupendous advancements.

        Incidentally there was an experiment done proving Tesla was wrong. Look it up.

        • Griff.

           /  August 1, 2018

          You are not worthy arguing with on science .
          Fractally wrong is the paradigm that springs to mind.
          Your world view is wrong on the big picture stuff
          The closer you examine your world view in detail the more wroungness emerges.

          • Corky

             /  August 1, 2018

            Your reply is rhetoric. Rhetoric is an easy script to follow. No thought required.
            Chow.

            • Gezza

               /  August 1, 2018

              Chow? Are you having breakfast now or do you think Griff’s Chinese & are insulting him?

            • Blazer

               /  August 1, 2018

              Corky means..Ciao.

            • Gezza

               /  August 1, 2018

              Hard to believe. Could anyone but a 10 year old be that dumb?

            • Griff.

               /  August 1, 2018

              Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
              The problem with trying to debate with Corky is nothing he believes is congruent with reality so you have nothing to anchor a discussion on
              Like above when he claims nuclear weapons work on “Geo harmonics”.
              If you asked him what that is you would only go further down the rabbit hole of wrongness with further discussion finding yet another layer of wrong underneath that.

              Debating a person who is fractally wrong leads to infinite regress, as every refutation you make of that person’s opinions will lead to a rejoinder, full of half-truths, leaps of poor logic, and outright lies, which requires just as much refutation to debunk as the first one—kind of like a recursive Gish Gallop, where each point both surrounds and is surrounded by an equally wrong argument.

              https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness

            • Corky

               /  August 1, 2018

              ”Corky means..Ciao.”

              No, I meant Chow!

            • Gezza

               /  August 1, 2018

              So were you telling us you were having something to eat, or calling Griff food or a racial slur? Because it’s a bloody weird thing for anyone to just chuck into a conversation.

            • Corky

               /  August 1, 2018

              It wasn’t in a conversation. It was at the end of a comment. I am learning the art of prattishness as an experiment. And what I am discovering is minutiae is more important than a debate. However, the mindset needed for such crap is soul destroying….Opps, sorry- mind destroying.

            • Gezza

               /  August 1, 2018

              So, for the purpose of your experiment in being a prat, were you telling Griff you were having something to eat, or calling Griff food, or a racial slur?

              Not being a prat, I leave that to others. Just curious.

            • Corky

               /  August 1, 2018

              Sadly you were also a prat. You pulled me up previously about the word ”chow’ which I thought was the correct spelling, but I was wrong. You did the same above…again. Not good. Surely you have more important things to do with your time.

            • Gezza

               /  August 1, 2018

              No, no, I’m just trying to establish wtf you were saying – whether you were showing your ignorance, given how often you like to imply you’re really smarter than the average bear & even dem scientist fellas (so to speak) – or whether you were having a little chuckle & tucking into a raspberry bun or something, or calling Griff a slit-eye or something not very nice.

              You pulled me up previously about the word ”chow’ which I thought was the correct spelling, but I was wrong.

              So what was the correct spelling of the word you meant?
              … … …
              Surely you have more important things to do with your time.

              Nah, it’s ok – there’s not much on telly at the moment & all my chores are done.I don’t mind spending a wee bit of time chasing down whether you’ve screwed up & instead of just saying that & what you meant, you’ve just refused to take your lumps and move on, so to speak?

            • Corky

               /  August 1, 2018

              That was experiment No Two: what happens when a fragile ego gets poked?

              Fear not, I have a real cracker coming up when I find the correct New Scientist magazine.

            • Gezza, he might have meant that Griff was a Chow, a handsome and brave Chinese dog with a fine head of hair.

              It’s impossible that any adult with even rudimentary literacy would think that ‘chow’ was an Italian word.

            • Corky

               /  August 1, 2018

              Chow..a Chinese dog? What are you prattling about?

            • Gezza

               /  August 1, 2018

              That was experiment No Two: what happens when a fragile ego gets poked?

              Fark! That’s uncanny. You too? Same for me here. It’s like you’re my bloody twin & you know what I’m thinking Corks. This is why you’re one of my fave posters here. 👍🏼

          • Well, if someone says ‘Chow.’ and doesn’t mean food or a racist slur, they can only mean the dog. There are only three meanings of the word chow.

            You denied that you meant the Italian word ‘Ciao.’

            • Corky

               /  August 1, 2018

              If you say so. I must find out what a Chow dog looks like.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  August 1, 2018

    I love reading the posts on a nearby National party rightwing blog, i love this posters posts as there’s someone more miserable out there than me, but his bitter prose exceeds mine,so folks here is IGM a very bitter poster….enjoy if PG passes it
    igm
    Interesting to read about Murri woman assaulting disabled lady after disagreement over disabled parking place in Pamerston North.
    This irks me, as it is noticeable in many areas PI, Maori, and rug pilots totally disregard these restricted areas.
    On Saturday we noticed a obese Maori male leaning against a people mover puffing on his cigarette. When someone pointed to the sign he told them, “Get stuffed, our land, not yours, and I park where I like”

    • duperez

       /  August 1, 2018

      That poster is another example of the the divergence of humankind. They want a better world and they are sure how that world should be. They have posted on many subjects. The ‘better’ world reflected by their mantra would be like how you say they are – bitter. A nasty, intolerant, non-empathetic, ignorant world.

      • Gezza

         /  August 1, 2018

        Definitely an ISIS supporter then.

        • The disabled parking hogs are across the board. I saw two people movers parked sideways across SIX of these parks.

          The rightful users have to pay for the use of these parks. An American woman I know says that her father lets down the tyres of any car whose driver is not disabled if he sees them in one .

  7. sorethumb

     /  August 1, 2018

    Academia is in the midst of an existential crisis. The near total hegemony the left enjoys over its institutions has turned them into tribal communities, in which most people think more or less the same way, and in which there is almost no one left to push back against the questionable orthodoxies that have metastasized there, no one to say, “hold on a minute, there may be another way to interpret this issue.” By voicing his objections in this book, Rectenwald is one of very few who have pushed back. Springtime for Snowflakes suggests that social justice ideology is far more entrenched, its reach far deeper and pervasive, and its impact far more insidious than groups like Heterodox Academy apparently realize.

    https://areomagazine.com/2018/07/30/springtime-for-snowflakes-social-justice-and-its-postmodern-parentage-a-review/

  8. sorethumb

     /  August 1, 2018

  9. sorethumb

     /  August 1, 2018

    Liberals like subversion as the old order is stale and oppressive (burn the flag / more Muslims please). Conservatives favour order and maintaining society. Diversity leads to anomie (people stay in and watch TV)

  10. sorethumb

     /  August 1, 2018

    What if societies with average IQ’s <90 cannot maintain a democracy? Cold climate people higher average IQ's. Should we refuse to believe it? Dispute the evidence (some researchers will oblige)?

    • Blazer

       /  August 1, 2018

      do you even know what real democracy is?

      Allende was democratically elected in Chile and then overthrown by….???

  11. sorethumb

     /  August 1, 2018

    More Muslims Please

  12. David

     /  August 1, 2018

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/105912175/ebert-construction-firm-goes-into-receivership–report

    This is a shame and quite typical of the big end of the construction industry. I had 2 apartments I bought off the plans in Auckland and they were both 18 months late but thankfully completed succesfully. One of the biggest problems is the Auckland council, they are horribly inefficient, they dont care because they are a cost plus operation so perversely incentivised to lengthen and complicate projects. The health and safety laws havent helped any either and there wasnt a huge problem on these big projects that needed addressed anyway.
    A NZ wide problem is post leaky buildings councils have pushed their risk onto others by insisting on reports for literally everything, I can understand why as a ratepayer but why not push that risk onto insurers who are far better at managing risk.
    I do think the government need to step up here and fix some of the things that are killing large construction firms caught out by hugely escalating costs that are unforeseen when the initial contract is signed.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 1, 2018

      Exactly, as I have been saying for years. The market had already solved the problem by making leaky buildings unsaleable before the Govt and courts screwed everything by making councils liable for quality and durability and leaving perpetrators and facilitators to skip responsibility.

    • Blazer

       /  August 1, 2018

      You calling for taxpayer bailout for private construction firms that go broke because they are incompetent.


      caught out by hugely escalating costs that are unforeseen when the initial contract is signed.’

      • David

         /  August 1, 2018

        No Blazer not at all, I would be horrified if they were bailed out. What I think needs addressing is the performance of the consenting authority has a major affect and there needs to be performance measurements on them or at least a wholesale change in attitude and pushing some of that risk onto private insurers may speed/assist the building process on l;arge multi year projects.

        • Blazer

           /  August 1, 2018

          is that addressing unforeseen cost blow outs?

          Insurance is nothing new .

          • David

             /  August 1, 2018

            Cost blow outs come from loads of little things on big jobs, swap one sort of screw for another and it requires new paperwork, engineers reports blah blah and then council sign off and more fees and delays.
            With insurance I think builders and buyers should insure themselves for building defects and not have responsibility solely on councils.

  13. lurcher1948

     /  August 1, 2018

    Why is Wellington damned with the thick HDPA,she actually read a TXT out where the writer called her as thick as two planks, shes just plain thick,there must be someone better out there,

    • Gezza

       /  August 1, 2018

      Katie Bradford?

    • lurcher1948

       /  August 1, 2018

      Even a rightwinger agrees with me today elsewhere, she doesn’t think teachers work,and dont deserve any wage increases and agrees with creation
      @Peterwin
      Mrs Soper on Newstalkzb Wellington edition,completely endorses Barry as number one arse licker of Peters. Think she has told Barry support our drinking buddy Peters anywhich way.
      Mrs Soper just another out of control biased mouth piece who after being fired from TV3 allowed nepotism to make sure she got employed with the questionable Newstalkzb. Think very quickly HDPA who started out as not too bad, has quickly become just another also ran talk back ranter and raver.Was a sad say for Wellington when Tim Foowkes went off to Australia,allowing dopey Mrs Soper to fluke the job. Nuff said.

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      • Gezza

         /  August 1, 2018

        It’s 12.14 pm now. Who’s hosting on ZB now? He just said Tracey should have a chat to Pauline & just look hon, this was obviously a bad idea & I’m sorry but I’m going to have to give this job to someone else. And if Ms Kingi had any clues at all she’d “quit now and run for the hills, away from these amateurs”.

        Hard to see where that doesn’t make sense.

  14. lurcher1948

     /  August 1, 2018

    For you Kitty, smarter than one here

    • Corky

       /  August 1, 2018

      Which one is Kitty, Lurchy?

      • lurcher1948

         /  August 1, 2018

        Stupid is as stupid does,Corky or silence is golden or do you need pictures and captions… Just saying

      • lurcher1948

         /  August 1, 2018

        As i said SMARTER

      • Corky

         /  August 1, 2018

        Not really, Lurchy. Silence is golden, but it’s not much fun. Much better watching stupid is as stupid does. 🤐

        Keep the good work up, son. You are a blog treasure.

  15. lurcher1948

     /  August 1, 2018

    Hi im HDPA newstalkZB todays show how are your views,are you stupid like me?lets go
    im parked on a disabled car park why working out in the gym, and im showing you can drive REALLY FAST IN TOWN, without any regard to safety or a licence and to prove im stupid im a white south african who can do anything like sounding thick and embarrassing my rightwing older husband,im his child bride

  16. lurcher1948

     /  August 1, 2018

    When we ruled the airspace, does anyone remember

    • Gezza

       /  August 1, 2018

      Yep. NZ was awash with F4U Corsairs at the end of the war. They all got scapped or flogged off & disappeared. Think we might have had some DH Mosquitos too, from memory. It’s sad there are so few of any of these restored WW2 fighting machines around. The rate of engine development alone was astonishing. Speeds doubled between the start & end of the war. The final versions of the P51 Mustang were stellar aircraft. One did a low level pass over the current New Plymouth airport when it was opened, when I was still a kid. I was gobsmscked – It seemed as fast as the vampires that also showed off there.

      I loved the vampires too. Still remember, when even younger, watching mum & my big bruv boarding an NAC DC 3 Dakota & taking off from the original grass runway airfield.

      • Griff.

         /  August 1, 2018

        I can remember seeing the vampires over Wigram as a kid .

        NZ brought a lot of mosquitoes after the war but the wood and glue decayed very quickly and they were not use for more than a couple of years.
        They are rebuilding them in ardmore A kiwi built jigs to the original pattern since used to put a few in the air .
        Two rolls merlins is the most awesome sound .

        • chrism56

           /  August 1, 2018

          Vampires were still operating at Whenuapai in 1970 until we got the Skyhawks. growing up as an Air Force brat, we knew all the planes like Canberras and Sunderlands. I remember seeing one on the hardstand at Hobsonville, wondering how it got there. I believe they were sold off, rather than scrapped. .

          • Gezza

             /  August 1, 2018

            You just reminded me chris. There was a Canberra at that NP airport opening show the vampires & the mustang performed at. The ground crew had to use some kind of explosive cannister to start the engines. Sound right?

        • Gezza

           /  August 1, 2018

          Man that’s a beautiful sound. My father said they could tell German aircraft in the Western Desert just from their sound before they were even visible. That they sounded like a separator (whatever that was – he came from dairying country). It wasn’t a steady constant hum like the merlins.

  17. lurcher1948

     /  August 1, 2018

    Dick size is important and RUSSIA won it

  18. chrism56

     /  August 2, 2018

    That’s right Gezza – the Canberra had a brass shell about 3″ diameter and 10″ long they used to start the engines. Most Airforce people had used ones of them to hold their fire tools. When the engines started, there was a puff of black smoke and then you heard it spool up – Always someone standing nearby with a fire extinguisher though. Bulldog tractors used a similar start procedure with a black shotgun cartridge.

    • Gezza

       /  August 2, 2018

      Yep. This is what we saw. But we saw them plugging in the cartridges as well.