Massey’s Brash ban may help free speech

There were very mixed views over Molynuex and Southern coming to New Zealand trying to claim that free speech meant they should be given speaking platforms. Molyneux in particular promotes some fairly objectional views, and it looks like they provoke criticism and attract attention to make money.

But today when the Vice Chancellor of Massey University banned Don Brash from talking there there has been as near to universal concern and condemnation – and for good reason.

It seems a bit vague about exactly by his was deemed that objectionable that he should be kept away – he had been invited to talk about his experience as Leader of the Opposition (he wasn’t far away from becoming Prime Minister).

It is an alarming attempt to restrict speech – but this may turn out to be a good thing. It may be the overstep that is needed to encourage a decent debate about who should determine what sort of speech should be effectively censored.

Universities were supposed to be bastions of free speech in the past, but overseas they have increasingly tried to restrict what students could listen to on campus. Some claim that universities should be ‘safe places’ for minorities – but selective censorship means that it can become unsafe to speak openly in case it is deemed ‘unsafe’ for someone else.

As well as there being a problem with university vice chancellors or whoever has the power to censor, a major problem that arose over the Molyneux/Southern visit has become a major concern, where one or a few nutters can simply threaten or imply a risk of violence to get authorities to shut down speech they don’t want for any reason.

The Brash ban is so ridiculous that if the precedent becomes an established norm it could be that no politician or ex-politician would be exempt from exclusion. Just about every politician is ‘hated’ or opposed by someone.

Hopefully the Massey overstep will prompt some serious discussion and some sensible solutions, or at lest far better guidelines, about what sort of speech should be ruled out,.

70 Comments

  1. Protesting Censorship of Free Speech

    Good to see this.

  2. artcroft

     /  August 7, 2018

    I don’t think this is the correct, more likely a targeting adjustment. “Whoops! we got rid of S & M but went slightly to far this time. Lets adjust the trajectory to the target, but maintain lock on the target”. The looney Left will be wiser but no less dangerous in the future.

  3. sorethumb

     /  August 7, 2018

  4. Gezza

     /  August 7, 2018

    1ewes at 6 did a bit of a hatchet job on Jan Thomas. They very pointedly announced that she had banned the visit after discussins with the police about a security threat, but when 1ewes checked with the police they said they had no record of any such discussions about a security threat.

    They also showed Jacinda interviewed about the ban saying that she thought it was “an overreaction” by the unversity.She said the same thing in parliament At QT today.

    It looks like it was one individual who helped set it up:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106068816/massey-university-bans-don-brash-from-speaking

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 7, 2018

      She’s obviously a fuckwit way out of her depth. Dunno how Massey extract themselves from this mess considering the whole outfit is obviously over-endowed with Lefty fuckwits.

      • Gezza

         /  August 7, 2018

        Donny was only going there at the request of students to talk about his time as leader of the opposition. They even featured some dude saying that. Jan could be embarking on an unintended suicide mission for her faculty.

        • David

           /  August 7, 2018

          She is a leftie she will be fine. Now if it was Sky City rejecting a speaking gig from Helen Clark then the chairman and ceo would be drummed out of town.

          • Gezza

             /  August 7, 2018

            Still, I find it interesting that 1ewes gave Massey negative coverage – and even featured the PM calling them out – mildly, but pointedly. Now is the time for righties to be requesting invitations to speak at universities because their right to do so has become a hot item.

            And lefties or not – the mainstream media don’t care much as long as they can manufacture sensational headlines on something as topical & controversial as this “right to be heard” free speech issue has become.

    • Corky

       /  August 7, 2018

      Apparently she has a history of voicing her opposition to hate speech. If she has a boss now is the time to tell her straight. Hell, even the Project members , along with Alison Mau, have a problem with this decision..they interviewed her. The couldn’t help calling the Canadians trolls..once again.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 7, 2018

        She wrote a stupid piece for the media last month supporting Goff”s ban. She is obviously a Grade A idiot with a mouth to match.

  5. David

     /  August 7, 2018

    Ben Shapiro, a 5 and a half foot Jewish guy needed 600 security people to make a speech at Berkley University. The left are just crazy lets please not import the US and UK situation here.

  6. So if someone like Lizzie decides something doesn’t have anything meaningful to say – and somehow knows in advance what they will say – then stopping them from speaking at a university is some fine?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 7, 2018

      A Lefty cotton-head contributes.

    • David

       /  August 7, 2018

      She is allowed to say something meaningless every weekend and the taxpayers are funding her blog and she spouts far more hateful stuff than Brash.

    • Gezza

       /  August 7, 2018

      What makes things awkward for Lezzy’s narrative is 1ewe’s item saying they were told the event was cancelled because of a security threat after discussion with the police who say there was no discussion with them? It’s all very confusing but as Don is old, white, & male it’s not confusing for her.

      • Corky

         /  August 7, 2018

        Good ole, Don. Three news filmed him tottering down the footpath. He’s close to being know as Uncle Don.

    • Corky

       /  August 7, 2018

      Someone really needs to take her aside and talk about reality.

      • Blazer

         /  August 7, 2018

        I nominate you ..Corky..explain the illusion,the delusion..the fantasy of…

  7. David

     /  August 7, 2018

    Ardern had an opportunity today to lead, these opportunities dont come along too often and she could have called out the ridiculousness.
    Would have put 5% on the Labour party polling and changed the narrative for her, the downside or people she would have upset would number in the 100s and probably Green voters anyway. The media would have swooned at her standing up for free speech and compared her to Mandela.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 7, 2018

      Be careful what you wish for. I don’t think we want to be led anywhere Jacinda wants to go – if she can actually figure that out without a working group.

  8. Loki

     /  August 7, 2018

    More worrying is that somebody is telling a big lie.
    Vice Chancellor insists police were informed prior to decision being made.
    Police claim they have No record of any contact from Massey.
    My money is on the police telling the truth.

    • This is the standard, worldwide Liberal-Fascist excuse trotted out for banning speech they disagree with. It is so naked they should be done for public indecency. And if you believe it, you must have fairies at the bottom of your garden.

      Both Goff and this woman loudly and clearly stated that they despised the speakers. Are we seriously expected to believe that their ‘disgust’ had no bearing on their decisons? Or that Goff had no input on the Southern/Molyneux ban? This disgraceful scenario has already been played out for years in the Northern Hemisphere, so the motives of those concerned are quite transparent to anyone who reads outside the Lefty Newspeak.

      This ‘university’ clearly has not registered the fact that many of its ilk in America are now beginning to suffer catastrophic losses in enrolment due to parents refusing to pay for their children to be brainwashed by demented, hate-addled lunatics. Perhaps the VC should read a bit more outside her ideological bubble, while she still has a university to work for.

      • Blazer

         /  August 7, 2018

        in your black and white world,no doubt there are ‘good guys’ and ‘bad guy’s’…which are ..which!

      • Gezza

         /  August 7, 2018

        She’s a disgrace. Had a listen. Embarrassing listening to her trying to jusify the inexcusable. She claims the threat was in a “discussion on social media”, doesn’t identify what social medium it was or who or how many were involved, obviously never reported it to the police, & patently just doesn’t like Brash. I don’t either but that’s not the point. She has no idea what he was going to talk about but even if it was something controversial he could be challenged – it’s the student association political society.

  9. PDB

     /  August 7, 2018

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 7, 2018

      You would think so, but then you wouldn’t have expected any NZ university VC to be so utterly thick as Ms Thomas.

  10. Corky

     /  August 7, 2018

    So we have the following coming to Aotearoa.

    1- Pauline Hanson.
    2- Nigel Farage.
    3- Jordan Peterson.

    That unholy trinity is enough to send Lefties into apoplectic shock.

    This free speech issue is only going to feaster with both sides become more entrenched and violent. From my perspective these three people could be a flash point.

    Violence isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It will allow both sides to let off steam and maybe bring people to their senses. We are a small country . What is considered a small episode in large countries has the ability to rock our nation end to end as the Springbok tour protests did.

    Watching the Vice Chancellor of Massey on TV tonight it was obvious she was hardcore.
    People like her won’t change unless they are forced.

    • Funny how just one Muslim Association has the ability to drag all these cockroaches out of the floorboards, then quietly melt into the shadows and leave them to take the flack while it regroups. There is a moral crawling about here, the grasping of which could just save this lovely country from the fate currently befalling its fellows up North who “Once Were Civilisations”.

    • Blazer

       /  August 7, 2018

      Pauline ‘please explain’…Nigel…’like’..Peterson..the rock’lobster’..bring it..on.

      • PDB

         /  August 7, 2018

        Ardern will ban Hanson as the country is only big enough for one fish and chip wrapper upper.

        • Corky

           /  August 7, 2018

          Big hit, Pants.

        • Blazer

           /  August 7, 2018

          Hanson is the dumbest thing to ever enter politics..she has appeal to those who left school at 15…have long foreheads,fat fingers,and marry their cousins.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  August 7, 2018

            They probably rant about bankers too, B.

            • Blazer

               /  August 7, 2018

              you choose to ignore reality..deconstruct my premise if you ..can..

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  August 7, 2018

              Of course I can’t. You are the only one who knows those people.

            • Blazer

               /  August 7, 2018

              Al..the shame of quickly upticking ..yourself..always give it ..at least ..30 mins..Bol.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  August 7, 2018

              I never uptick myself or downtick anyone else. Bet you can’t say the same truthfully.

            • Blazer

               /  August 7, 2018

              I can truthfully tell you that I do downtick right headed loonies.Honest.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  August 8, 2018

              And uptick yourself no doubt.

      • Corky

         /  August 7, 2018

        Be careful what you wish for, Blazer. The Right are ready to fire back. I just hope Rightie protest marshals have the ability to hold their side back and allow feral liberals to make the first move.

        Then make it one quick sharp lesson that will go around the world as to how violent liberals are to be dealt with.

        For Righties and free speech advocates it will be about physical control. They have already won the intellectual debate.

  11. PDB

     /  August 7, 2018

    Funny how its taken Brash being stopped from speaking for some people to wake up to the fact that NZ is not immune from the far-left wanting to shut down views they do not agree with. The Canadian duo of self-promotion were exactly in the same position, unlikeable? – yes, should be allowed to speak without the threat of violence/bombs/harassment to people wanting to listen to their views etc? – yes. In large the MSM in this country has been misleading in the debate whilst ignoring the opposing side including clearly nutty far-left extremists that make up such groups as ‘Auckland Peace Action’ and their affiliates.

    What we have seen overseas is that the far left-wing definition of things like ‘hate speech’ become broader to the point where someone vaguely to the right of centre is treated like a member of the KKK. One day it will be Brash being told he can’t speak at the university and if that is allowed to happen then the next year it will be John Key & Bill English being banned from speaking.

    Chris Trotter: “Nothing could be more helpful to the cause of the Right than a Left which has lost its faith in the people. What, after all, is more likely to cause the people to lose faith in the Left than a nagging suspicion that their self-appointed liberators regard them as being either too vicious or too stupid to grasp the arguments in favour of individual freedom and social justice without instruction from above”.

    • Blazer

       /  August 7, 2018

      Brash…’weekend at ..Bernies’…the right are getting desperate for flashpoints when they wheel out this geriatric..redneck.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 7, 2018

        Explain that to your Lefty mate, Chris Trotter, B. He’ll probably think you are just a troll though.

      • Corky

         /  August 7, 2018

        Brash wasn’t wheeled out.

  12. Gezza

     /  August 7, 2018

    Sometimes I think I’m the only person consistently talking sense here & then I read it again & I think actually I can’t really tell any more 😕

    • Corky

       /  August 7, 2018

      We have all ”lost it,” Gezza. Don’t beat yourself up.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 7, 2018

        Spoilsport.

        • Gezza

           /  August 7, 2018

          Damn. Just two tiddlers. 🐠 🐟 Both undersize.
          I was going after the Blazerfish. 🐳

          • Blazer

             /  August 7, 2018

            foul hook ..they call it.

            • Gezza

               /  August 7, 2018

              Success. 👍🏼 Never pack up too early. And change the bait.

            • Blazer

               /  August 7, 2018

              if this old gif is your finest hour you are ..filleted,gutted and scaled.

            • Gezza

               /  August 7, 2018

              Nup. It’s not my finest hour. Just a bit bored.

            • Blazer

               /  August 7, 2018

              I see the pig ref..again..boared ,.or bored…anytime you want to mix it ..think of ..me.

            • Gezza

               /  August 7, 2018

              Lol.

  13. Gezza

     /  August 7, 2018

    Don Brash Releases Speech Notes
    “Former National MP and Reserve Bank governor Don Brash has provided the Herald with a copy of the notes for his cancelled speech at Massey University.

    Brash was to speak about life in politics at the university’s Palmerston North Campus tomorrow morning as part of a series of political talks hosted by the Politics Society.

    But his speaking engagement was today cancelled after the organisers alerted the university to threats against security and public safety.

    The controversial decision by Massey University added fuel to the free speech debate in New Zealand.

    In a statement, the university referred to Brash as the Hobson’s Pledge founder and supporter of controversial Canadian speakers Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux.

    Brash is also a member of the Free Speech Coalition which was formed after a decision was made by Auckland Council to ban the speakers from its venues.

    But, the speech notes provided by Brash make no mention of Hobson’s Pledge or the controversial Canadian duo.

    Instead it details his political career through to his decision to step down as National leader in late 2006.

    Massey University vice chancellor Jan Thomas today said the decision to cancel the speech came after the Politics Society raised concerns about their ability to meet the conditions agreed to as a result of a surge in interest on social media.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12102874

  14. Blazer

     /  August 8, 2018

    (he wasn’t far away from becoming Prime Minister)….eureka thats it!!..
    A comeback ..NZ can have its very own..Donald…move over squeaky Bridges ..National have found a ..saviour!

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