Molyneux also talks up war

Stefan Molyneux has left New Zealand, grizzling on the way out.

Did he think he should be given VIP treatment and be able to bypass security? Not a very classy whine from Molyneux.

While he was still here he said some outlandish things. Like the business of war talk.

Newshub: Stefan Molyneux warns ‘war is coming’, asks for likes, shares and money

Mr Molyneux has now taken to YouTube, uploading a 12-minute video which oscillates between decrying the “demonic mob” that got their show cancelled, and asking for supporters to “like, subscribe and share” – and give him money.

“We lost a venue. Hundreds and hundreds of people who had come a long way and were very passionate to hear this conversation, to engage in what Lauren and I were going to discuss, we lost the venue and that’s costly. It’s very expensive, and I need your help”.

“I would really, really appreciate it.”

Both an attention seeker and a money seeker.

He said the funding is necessary for him to keep speaking out against the “encroaching mob and horde of mindless violence the left seems to want to unleash on the failing remnants of civilisation”.

He was relatively restrained in media interviews while in New Zealand. He tried to provoke reactions here, which successfully attracted opposition and media attention, but via Youtube he shows how dangerous he could be if he got more than fringe support.

Without more money, Mr Molyneux fears “self-contempt, self-hatred and possibly incarceration or death itself”, because “that’s what happens when the left gains power”.

He then took a shot at Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who at the weekend said Kiwis were “hostile” to Mr Molyneux’s views.

“The Prime Minister was the head of a youth socialist organisation not a decade ago, so that’s what you get.”

That’s a bit pathetic.

Mr Molyneux says unless “free speech” is kept alive, “we are going to end up with bayonets pointed at each other’s hearts”.

“I am trying with all of my might and all of my rhetoric and all of my energy and efforts to stop the war that is coming. This feral escalation of abuse and violence and threats and deplatforming is going to escalate into war. History is very clear on this point.

“I don’t know if the left knows how much it’s going to escalate, I don’t know if they want it, I don’t know what the hell is going on, but I’m telling you, it’s coming.”

He seems to be trying hard to make a left-right war come.

While general populations seem to be less and less aligned to left or right politics people on the fringes are having to go to extremes to get attention.

There is a risk, because if a few on the fringes turn to violence it could get very nasty.

It’s ironic that Molyneux is trying to talk up the sort of problems he claims he is warning against.

If a Muslim radical came to New Zealand (or spoke to New Zealand via Youtube) with language anything like what Molyneux is using the sort of person supporting Molyneux would be up in arms, metaphorically at least.

Molyneux’s visit has raised some important issues about free speech.

Through his speech, especially his orchestrated self edited speech via Youtube, he has shown how dangerous he could be if he managed to raise a rabble. Fortunately his Kiwi experience didn’t rise to much. I doubt he will be back. Good riddance to him.

105 Comments

  1. NOEL

     /  August 7, 2018

    Airport security. Probably thought the instruction to take everything out of his pockets didn’t apply to him Probably pissed that with Smart Gate he didnt have a chance to claim he was hindered by Customs.

    • Corky

       /  August 7, 2018

      Depends what airport security did. We have no context. If it was beyond what ordinary people would be subjected to, or what he usually encounters, then there is a problem. Either someone has told customs to make sure they think twice about returning, or some customs officer(s) doesn’t like these people for whatever reason and have decided to make his life miserable.

      I mean, why would customs want to stop him? Did they believe he was smuggling Kea to fund his travel?

      I also wonder how the SIS viewed Molyneux.

      Extrapolate that out… and if my scenarios are correct.. you then have the war Molyneux speaks of.

      • NOEL

         /  August 7, 2018

        Gee Corkey he said it was Avsec that stopped him. They can only impede for a breach of Aviation Security. With two artificial joints and a colostomy back I get impeeded every time.
        I bet if he made a complaint the CCTV footage would show that any was no different than others.

        • Corky

           /  August 7, 2018

          Your reply is nonsensical given the context of my comments and their riders.

          • NOEL

             /  August 7, 2018

            No yours is nonsensical because he was NOT stopped by a Customs officer.
            Canadian citizens use Smart Gate and there is no Customs interface unless there is a problem with their passport.

            Yah making a conspiracy theory that doesn’t stand up.

          • Corky

             /  August 7, 2018

            Oh, I’m sorry. I was going by the article. I assumed he was stopped by people.
            He was stopped and harassed by a machine.

            ”Canadian citizens use Smart Gate and there is no Customs interface unless there is a problem with their passport.”

            So he comes into New Zealand on his passport, and then his passport magically becomes a problem when he leaves the country.

            😄😄😄

            • NOEL

               /  August 7, 2018

              Customs is not ASec.
              Where in the Bell Curve followes tweet does he mention Customs.
              “In a continued display of New Zealand’s endless hospitality, I was stropped and harassed by airport security for no apparent reason while leaving the country.”
              Keep dancing y’all get your conspiracy out there sometime.

            • Corky

               /  August 7, 2018

              Top marks for trying. Keep it up. And check your passport. Never know when it’s going to let you down..or out, as the above case shows.

        • NOEL

           /  August 7, 2018

          Oops replace “any with “there”.

          • I love the typo ( I wish that it was true) that he was ‘stropped’ and harassed. What a lovely image 😀

          • Don’t waste your time, Noel, Corky can’t or won’t see that security and customs are different. I imagine that he’s deliberately misunderstanding to make you keep saying it.

      • Gezza

         /  August 7, 2018

        Airport security can be a pain in the bum for just ordinary NZers too. When I was flying up to Northland in November I got to the airport an hour early (the shuttle service picked me up early because of the potential for getting stuck in traffic jams with an 8 am departure from Welly airport.

        I was bored so I toddled about the airport looking for criminals & likely-looking terrorists & getting some breakfast, as you do. (The biggest criminal I found was Air NZ who charged me $60 to fly a $50 guitar to Al’s place.)

        With 15 mins to spare before the advertised boarding time I went to airport security & unpocketed everything & they put it all plus my carry-on shoulder bag thru the X-ray on the conveyer belt. I walked thru the body scanner doorway with no worries, went round to the end of the conveyer to pick up my bag and a security officer – he was Maori – said something odd to me.

        I wish I could remember exactly what it was but no luck. It was just a phrase that in another context means something completely different – but I then established, on saying, “Look, Sorry, I don’t know what you mean, what’s the problem?” – that there was something inside my bag blocking the view of its contents. My iPad. So I had to take it out & the whole lot get put back thru a second time.

        As everything including my cellphone (for some reason) was coming thru again my phone started ringing. I had to grab it asap and it was the boarding desk, saying they were holding the plane for me & would I be long? God I was irritated. They’d boarded everyone early, there was still 5 minutes to the advertised boarding time.

        It was just one of those things. If anything like that happened to Molyneux – and especially if the security dude was Maori – I can imagine what he’d make of it.

        • NOEL

           /  August 7, 2018

          For next time Geeza. Note any electrical device larger than a cell phone…..ipad?
          http://www.avsec.govt.nz/travellers/information-for-travellers/

          • Gezza

             /  August 7, 2018

            Who reads all that? I was busy looking out for bloody terrorists !

            Got even more exciting when I flew back – two waiting uniformed policepersons tried to arrest a young fulla about 3 people ahead of me & he wrenched himself out of their grasp & bolted, weaving through the crowd, slamming into 3 people in his way & sending them to the ground – and got clean away. (I asked one of the cops if they got him when he came past as I was waiting for my shuttle.)

  2. lurcher1948

     /  August 7, 2018

    All I can say the RIGHT are WHIMPY whiners.If you read nearby rightwing blogs they sound like kiddies using baby names to discribe the PM and what I fear they could be leaders in industry and use their childish rightwing positions to SABOTAGE NEW ZEALAND.9 years of national gave us a low wage/low growth economy where the rich voted National and called the rest left wing scum..so to the departing Canadian NAZIS”don’t let the departure gate hit your arses on the way out”

  3. duperez

     /  August 7, 2018

    Modern media turns village idiots into well-known village idiots.

  4. Patzcuaro

     /  August 7, 2018

    Soap boxes and windy corners are free, if Molyneaux is out of pocket it is down to a poor business decision, a failure to identify risk factors. Now he wants someone else to pay, sounds a bit like socialism.

    • So you won’t be starting a Give-a-Little page for him ?

      He certainly is a whinger. He came here as a visitor, not a guest.

  5. PartisanZ

     /  August 7, 2018

    Sounds like Molyneux has “gone full feral” as we say … Desperado …

    There’s more than a little of the ‘thwarted child’ in this White Superiority movement …

    This ‘post-colonial backlash’ …

    You see it continuously with ‘Kiwi’ versions of it here …

    “They’re dismantling our privilege … Our ‘ethnic’ entitlement. Why couldn’t they have just stayed down …?”

  6. Tipene

     /  August 7, 2018

    Those who don’t think there is a war coming are obviously blissfully ignorant of the war we are already in.

    WTSHTF, please continue to cower in your self-induced pathos, while those of us who actually recognize the threat for what it is, attempt to do something about standing up to, and repelling it.

    • PartisanZ

       /  August 7, 2018

      Repelling it with what? Bullshit at Cyber-Distance …

      You can only fling Bullshit so far …

      But, by all means, do elaborate on what the “threat” really is … Brown people and their low IQs?

      … or just leave the explanations to sorethumb?

      • phantom snowflake

         /  August 7, 2018

        ‘Tipene’ is involved in a war between RIGHTeous Christianity and evil, satanic Islam. Yet somehow this doesn’t meet the criteria for Paranoid Schizophrenia??

  7. Gezza

     /  August 7, 2018

    This is exactly what I expected him to do. The guy’s a total douchebag. Reading up about him & his now long history of manipulating, bullshitting & manipulating the gullible, I came across a video contrasting Molyneux & Peterson.

    Among observations of how chameleon-like Molyneux is in what he purports to believe in (he is currently morphing from being solidly anti-religious to now slyly pushing Christianity, for example, because there’s money & more followers in that – it noted that Peterson is also now making a very lucrative living off the web, and his YouTube videos also give links to donate down in the details section, he never solicits donations.

    Molyneux solicits donations all the time, by comparison, and he frequently does it using the psychological technique of trying to make gullible people feel guilty, telling them that if they’re watching his videos, they MUST, that they have a moral obligation to do so, to support his camapaign against the dark statist forces – or otherwise they are just exploiting him.

    Some of the things he talks about are valid issues for discussion, but mainly the guy uses anything & everything he says to make money. He’s a twisted, manipulative asshole, not worth the time of day. I’ve given him enuf time to establish that much beyond any doubt.

      • sorethumb

         /  August 7, 2018

        I challenge you to a comprehension test: Where in that article dies it refute Murray’s data?

        • NOEL

           /  August 7, 2018

          No where as the author said that wasn’t his aim.
          Perhaps this is what you want?
          https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/18/15655638/charles-murray-race-iq-sam-harris-science-free-speech

          • sorethumb

             /  August 7, 2018

            That’s old
            May 2017

            The new DNA-based science has also led to an ironic discovery: Virtually none of the complex human qualities that have been shown to be heritable are associated with a single determinative gene! There are no “genes for” IQ in any but the very weakest sense. Murray’s assertion in the podcast that we are only a few years away from a thorough understanding of IQ at the level of individual genes is scientifically unserious. Modern DNA science has found hundreds of genetic variants that each have a very, very tiny association with intelligence, but even if you add them all together they predict only a small fraction of someone’s IQ score. The ability to add together genetic variants to predict an IQ score is a useful tool in the social sciences, but it has not produced a purely biological understanding of why some people have more cognitive ability than others.

            march 2018 David Reich

            But whether we like it or not, that line has already been crossed. A recent study led by the economist Daniel Benjamin compiled information on the number of years of education from more than 400,000 people, almost all of whom were of European ancestry. After controlling for differences in socioeconomic background, he and his colleagues identified 74 genetic variations that are over-represented in genes known to be important in neurological development, each of which is incontrovertibly more common in Europeans with more years of education than in Europeans with fewer years of education.

  8. Blazer

     /  August 7, 2018

    Molyneux ,unheard of a couple of weeks ago…and now astride the world stage as an influencer,up there with Trump,Putin,Xi…..amazing!

    • Pickled Possum

       /  August 7, 2018

      The power of the keyboard !!

    • PartisanZ

       /  August 7, 2018

      You forgot Brash, Butler, Chapple, Ansell and Titford … and … No, I think that’s all of them!

      • sorethumb

         /  August 7, 2018

        Harawera, Spoonley, Mutu, Turia, Turie, Davidson.

        • Gezza

           /  August 7, 2018

          *Harawira, Turei.

        • PartisanZ

           /  August 7, 2018

          I’m not talking about “Treatyists” thumble … I’m talking about the self-appointed ‘Enlightened Ones’ … The Right Brigade …

          But I did forget Alan Duff … SIR Bob Jones … and the eminent ‘statistical historian’ DR John Robinson … Our resident ‘Daughter Slaughterist’ ….

  9. lurcher1948

     /  August 7, 2018

    Did they pay the Australian police for their “protection” or being rightwing they cut and ran

  10. Zedd

     /  August 7, 2018

    in the end its RIGHT… I hope you had the time of your life.. (from; GOOD RIDDANCE by Green Day) 😀

  11. Corky

     /  August 7, 2018

    I could say I few things about that article, but I won’t because it admits the Taranaki genocide of Moriori . Even so, lets look at the relevant section of said article and see if we can divine the authors political leanings:

    ”In 1835 a group of about 900 Taranaki Māori (from Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama) sailed from Wellington to the Chathams, with the intention to make it their new home. They had recently been driven out of their own rohe during the Musket Wars. Shortly after they arrived they killed around 300 Moriori and enslaved the rest. So yes, some Māori did kill some Moriori, and the story is an awful one – but to attribute this to all Māori is wrong, and if you find yourself wanting to do it you should question your motives in doing so.”

    • Corky

       /  August 7, 2018

      Crikey, this reply was meant to answer Parti’s post.

    • PartisanZ

       /  August 7, 2018

      Very relevant … Have you “questioned YOUR motives in doing so”?

      I think not …. Indeed … I just now heard a very loud WHOOOOOOSSHHHH!

      If “killing a number of the people and enslaving the rest” is a definition of genocide then, globally, colonization WAS genocide … (as if there’s any question about that much anyhow)

      • Corky

         /  August 7, 2018

        ”Very relevant … Have you “questioned YOUR motives in doing so”?

        Yes, as you know, I don’t usually reply to your posts on colonial history, not because I disagree with all you say, but because it’s always a one sided affair of whitey ‘this and that.’

        The author is correct with her comments regarding the Moriori, and Taranaki Maori killing them.

        All I have ever wanted was a bit of balance.. not revisionist history. She provided that. And her article is mostly correct from my perspective.

        However, her politics still shines through in her writing. As I have pointed out.

        • PartisanZ

           /  August 7, 2018

          “Taranaki Maori killing SOME of them … and enslaving the rest” … I’m not contending that … I’m not contending “the story is an awful one” …

          So now you want balance … Really?

          Maybe start by admitting that it’s not “genocide” after all?

          Hence, the people calling it “Maori Genocide” – your ‘Enlightenment’ friends – are the ones peddling “revisionist history” …

          • Corky

             /  August 7, 2018

            Well, I used the term genocide loosely.

            Let’s say after negotiations broke down with Moriori, Maori did what they would later accuse whitey of…namely slaughtering innocent people.

            I always wonder how Maori found the time between slaughtering each other, to do such an AWFUL deed to Moriori.

            You may find a rich vein of angst by asking how Taranaki Maori sailed to the Chathams.

            As Sir Paul Reeves once said in a speech: ”long ago we came to your land ( Chathams). I can’t remember much being said after that acknowledgement.

            You are a fanatical die-hard on these issues, Parti. I believe my above post was reasonable and measured. But you will have none of it. Whitey did it all.

            You really belong at The Standard with like minded souls.

    • lurcher1948

       /  August 7, 2018

      i posted that yesterday

  12. Chuck Bird

     /  August 7, 2018

    “The Prime Minister was the head of a youth socialist organisation not a decade ago, so that’s what you get.”

    It is true and a fair comment. Ardurn supports a thugs veto.

    • Blazer

       /  August 7, 2018

      talking of thugs..heard of Navy Seal Unit 6…Chuck…you are so one eyed old fella…dinosaur mentality.

      • Chuck Bird

         /  August 7, 2018

        So do you support the commie chick?

        • Blazer

           /  August 7, 2018

          decades of reds under the bed brainwashing has affected you Chuck.

          You have N.F.I….you are the one of the malleable masses who soak up propaganda and regurgitate it till…you depart.

          • lurcher1948

             /  August 7, 2018

            Living in a Maori town in the middle of the KING COUNTRY can affect a elderly rightwinger,and he failed to see the Canadian racist rightwingers,he’s suffering

          • lurcher1948

             /  August 7, 2018

            GREAT POST Blazer, we are not kiwiblog drones here unlike hate filled rightwing drones tired of their daily fill to them of their hate filled rubbish posted on kiwiblog coming over here to a more educated blog where NOT head size,colour and ability to dribble from both sides of their heads is a sign of their standing on any blog

        • lurcher1948

           /  August 7, 2018

          Chuck Bird / August 7, 2018
          So do you support the commie chick?
          CHUCK THIS BLOG ISNT KIWIBLOG, shes the PM not the “commie chick”…be polite try it,IT FEELS GOOD

  13. sorethumb

     /  August 7, 2018

    • Gezza

       /  August 7, 2018

      Gave that an uptick. Quite a few things in there that Molyneux said I thonk are incorrect or would benefit from checking – he makes shit up & exaggerates a lot & without your knowing the full facts he gets away with it.

      But Southern was impressive, explained herself well, doesn’t misrepresent herself as an quasi-expert researcher & “philosopher” like he does – although even he was careful to say the right things in the right places. Their body language is quite different. Southern more passionately believes in what she says & will debate those things.

      To be fair that whole interview should have been shown on tv here. They sent a girl to do a well-prepared well-researched interviewers job. So that’s why we never saw really any of this.

      • Gezza

         /  August 7, 2018

        *thonk = think, thought or thunk depending on where in the US you come from.

  14. Patzcuaro

     /  August 7, 2018

    This caught my eye and the article is sensible.

    “You have a limited amount of time in your life, and if you look at what every nut says about every issue, you’ll never have time to do anything else.”

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/08/stefan-molyneux-iq-and-race-what-the-experts-think.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

    • Patzcuaro

       /  August 7, 2018

      Unfortunately a small number of people seem to spend their time chasing every nutcase that passes by.

    • sorethumb

       /  August 7, 2018

      Jim Flynn doesn’t dispute what Molyneaux says he just says he wouldn’t go near him because he is only interested in scholars in the field. The article makes this claim and links to The Guardian

      Most researchers now say the evidence strongly favours environmental factors – the Flynn effect itself has been linked to improved pre- and post-natal nutrition and better education, for example, as well as the growing complexity of life.

      This is based on outdated studies. David Reich warns readers to prepare for DNA evidence.
      I followed the discussion on Reddit and the horse has already bolted

      • Gezza

         /  August 7, 2018

        I think that’s about 8 times in the last couple of weeks you’ve posted this same article now.
        In fact it seems to be becoming a daily occurrence.
        Who do you think is bothering to read it that often?
        Obsessive much?

        • sorethumb

           /  August 7, 2018

          A man convinced against his will
          Is of the same opinion still?
          Shakespeare.

          • Gezza

             /  August 7, 2018

            I imagine Kitty might have some rip-roarer quotes from ol Shakers The Rude for you later.

            • The quote is a misquote from Samuel Butler.

              He that complies against his will/is of his own opinion still.

          • sorethumb

             /  August 7, 2018

            I didn’t know who said it.

    • Gezza

       /  August 7, 2018

      From the NewShub article patz posted above. Worth reposting here. This is exactly what I said a few days back would be the case. Flynn (who’s an American who immigrated to NZ) would not have been aware of how Molyneux would twist what he was saying.
      … … …
      “Mr Molyneux says while he doesn’t like that different races have different levels of intelligence, it’s what the research says, citing work by the likes of Prof Flynn and Charles Murray. The latter published a book in 1994 called The Bell Curve, which presented evidence of IQ differences between the different races. While it didn’t flat-out say the differences were the result of genetics, in promotion for the book Dr Murray said it was likely.

      Prof Flynn was interviewed by Mr Molyneux in 2015 – the hour-long chat is on YouTube- but said if the Canadian called now, he wouldn’t answer.

      “I wouldn’t think of going within a mile of him if he talked,” Prof Flynn told Newshub, saying while he enjoyed debating the subject of race and IQ with academics he disagreed with, such as Dr Murray and the late Arthur Jensen, there was no point in listening to what Mr Molyneux has to say.

      “These people are just coattail-hangers. They don’t have anything new to contribute to the debate – they just try and make the debate spectacular. I’ve invested a huge amount of time on this issue, read all the best thinkers, and wouldn’t think it would be worth my time.”

      In his 1980 book Race, IQ and Jensen, Prof Flynn called attempts to link IQ squarely to race “disturbing”, expressing great scepticism.

      Most researchers now say the evidence strongly favours environmental factors – the Flynn effect itself has been linked to improved pre- and post-natal nutrition and better education, for example, as well as the growing complexity of life.

      Prof Flynn couldn’t recall anything Mr Molyneux told him in 2015, but doubts the interview would be worth revisiting. “I’ve never seen him in the literature as having made any supplementary points to the points Jensen made, and his reputation is such that one suspects he oversimplifies the debate. You have a limited amount of time in your life, and if you look at what every nut says about every issue, you’ll never have time to do anything else.”

      But that doesn’t mean he agrees with Mr Molyneux and Ms Southern being hounded out of the country. “When you say I’m going to oppose you by force, you’re reducing freedom of speech to a contest of force. Do you really want debating an issue not to be a contest of ideas and evidence and logic, do you really want whether views are head to be a matter of ‘I’m bigger than this guy and I can drive him out of the country’?

      “I would say however bad free speech is in terms of determining the validity of an idea, a test of strength is worse.”

      Newshub suggested to Prof Flynn that while he might not be convinced by Mr Molyneux’s arguments, less academic minds might be. He said that is “always the excuse” given when a group wants to silence another.

      “I’m a socialist – in America, that’s anathema. Whenever someone wanted to shut me up, they’d say, ‘I could debate with you – I’m a sophisticated person – but you’ll mislead all of the young naive people and get them to embrace socialism, which is next to communism.'”

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 7, 2018

        Sensible comments from Flynn, G.

        • sorethumb

           /  August 7, 2018

          I challenge you to a comprehension test. Based on the above what evidence is there of Jim Flynn’s views on race and IQ?

          • sorethumb

             /  August 7, 2018

            In his 1980 book Race, IQ and Jensen, Prof Flynn called attempts to link IQ squarely to race “disturbing”, expressing great scepticism.
            ………
            the Flynn effect itself has been linked to improved pre- and post-natal nutrition and better education, for example, as well as the growing complexity of life.

          • Corky

             /  August 7, 2018

            So, lets put the studies to one side and ask: where does personal observations and experience come into this? My observations say Flynn is incorrect to a degree. Or is it because I’m not an expert I should STFU.

            • Gezza

               /  August 7, 2018

              No you can say what your personal observations & experience are but Flynn’s fairly careful not to extrapolate out well beyond what the research shows into broad generalisations that apply to whole groups & he’s very careful about its limitations. My overall impression is that while there’s a lot of things being said about IQ research there’s actually not really very much of it at all that’s been done globally, & people talking about IQ research all seem to cite & debate the research and conclusions of the same few people who have examined or re-examined what little there is.

  15. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 7, 2018

    Meanwhile that clueless Lefty Aussie vet masquerading as the Massey VC has screwed up big time again and refused to allow Don Brash to speak at Massey:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12102601

    What a total dickhead she is.

    • PDB

       /  August 7, 2018

      She says (wrongly) that Brash supported the Canadian speakers (he actually supported their freedom of speech no different to Chris Trotter – she insinuates he supports their message) and that having an alternative view to the treaty and its meaning: “In my opinion the views expressed by members of Hobson’s Pledge come dangerously close to hate speech”.

      I’ve no time for Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux but what they have done is show that New Zealand is not immune from what we have seen overseas recently where threats of violence trump reasoned debate, people are afraid of words to the point they don’t want anyone to hear alternative views, and people are accused (branded) of being what they are not – the only surprise was that the word ‘Nazi’ wasn’t thrown around a lot more.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 7, 2018

        Thomas is obviously an opinionated Lefty idiot. Pretty appalling that a supposed academic would misrepresent Brash like that. Massey academics should be calling for her head if they have any self-respect.

    • sorethumb

       /  August 7, 2018

      And Paul Spoonley / Maharey/ Sluka…. It’s a rat’s nest.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 7, 2018

        … Mike Joy, Deborah Russell, … you are maybe right.

  16. Joe Bloggs

     /  August 7, 2018

    Conservatives: organisations should be free to do whatever they want!

    Apple, Facebook & YouTube removes Alex Jones and Infowars
    Massey bans Brash

    Conservatives: Wait, not like that

    • Gezza

       /  August 7, 2018

      YouTube removes Alex Jones and Infowars

      Que?

      • Gezza

         /  August 7, 2018

        Hot off the Press
        … … …
        “All but one of the major content platforms have banned the American conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, as the companies raced to act in the wake of Apple’s decision to remove five podcasts by Jones and his Infowars website.

        Facebook unpublished four pages run by Jones for “repeated violations of community standards”, the company said on Monday. YouTube terminated Jones’s account over him repeatedly appearing in videos despite being subject to a 90-day ban from the website, and Spotify removed the entirety of one of Jones’s podcasts for “hate content”.

        Facebook’s removal of the pages – the Alex Jones Channel Page, the Alex Jones Page, the Infowars Page and the Infowars Nightly News Page – comes after the social network imposed a 30-day ban on Jones personally “for his role in posting violating content to these pages”.

        Following that suspension, a Facebook spokesperson said: “More content from the same pages has been reported to us – upon review, we have taken it down for glorifying violence, which violates our graphic violence policy, and using dehumanising language to describe people who are transgender, Muslims and immigrants, which violates our hate speech policies.”

        More …
        https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/aug/06/apple-removes-podcasts-infowars-alex-jones

        • Gezza

           /  August 7, 2018

          Sorry, I banged my head on the occasional table & knocked the iPad flying falling off the sofa larfing. 🤕 I’m ok now, I think, except my tummy hurts a bit from all the larfing. 😐

          Boy am I gonna miss that freak show. 😀

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  August 7, 2018

            No need to miss it, G. It’s still here (not that I’ve ever bothered with it):
            https://www.infowars.com/

            The internet is bigger than FB and Youtube.

            • Gezza

               /  August 7, 2018

              Yeah I know, he’s finding other channels. I posted one further below. 😀

    • PDB

       /  August 7, 2018

      In the case of Brash – when threats of violence trump freedom of speech there is only one winner in the debate and that is Brash.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 7, 2018

      Jan Thomas should be free to ban Don Brash and the Massey University Council should be free to fire her.

    • Gezza

       /  August 7, 2018

      AND good ol’ Alex is back up & running on a competitor to YouTube already 😄
      https://www.real.video/5818692732001

    • Gezza

       /  August 7, 2018

      Jacinda just said in Question Time – twice – that banning Brash is up to the University but in her personal opinion their banning him is “an overreaction”. In other, she made it clear she DOESN’T support them.

      She’s walking all over Simon.

      • Gezza

         /  August 7, 2018

        *words

        • Gezza

           /  August 7, 2018

          Yep – Phil Twyford just told Judith Collins he stands by all his recent statements “including his recent tweets!” 😀

      • lurcher1948

         /  August 7, 2018

        Noticed that, whose Simon Bridges???

        • Gezza

           /  August 7, 2018

          Natalie Bridges’ Simon Bridges.
          You know, National Party leader for now.

  17. MaureenW

     /  August 7, 2018

    “He seems to be trying hard to make a left-right war come”
    Just take a look at the name-calling that has come about in the comments from YNZ posts about Stephan Molyneux and Lauren Southern, in my view this has escalated in the past couple of weeks. I haven’t looked at other blogs so don’t know how they fared, but this space which I generally find fairly balanced and reasoned, has gone ape-shit over these two.
    What are people so frightened of that they wish to shut-down the voices of those whose opinions they don’t agree with. It’s the start of a slippery slope and reminds me of small-town paranoia.

    • Corky

       /  August 7, 2018

      So much of modern life is build on liberal premises. Now those foundations are being threatened. Many people have a whole lot invested in the way things operate now. They probably sense that this brave new world was built on the suppressed values of conservative
      society; values that have served mankind well for centuries.

      People who support conservative ways have had a hard time of it for the last 50 years. They are so browbeaten that only a brave soul will put his head above the parapet . Liberals found it easy to pick them off.

      Now there is a movement, not just individual critics. Now liberals are having their worldview critiqued and shown up for the bs much of it is. There is now an army to fight the Left.

      It’s war.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 7, 2018

      Has anyone actually supported Goff here? Maybe the odd feckless fanatical loony Lefty but that would be about all.

  18. sorethumb

     /  August 7, 2018

    • Gezza

       /  August 7, 2018

      That’s a Stefan Molyneux video, not an Eric Turkeimer one.

      Turkheimer is known for studying the effects of socioeconomic status and genes on IQ, especially in regards to gene-environment interactions. For example, in a 2003 study, he and his colleagues found that the environment accounted for about 60% of the variance in IQ among low-income children, while genes accounted for almost none of it. In contrast, this study also found that the reverse was true for wealthy children.

      A subsequent meta analysis showed this effect did not replicate outside the US, and even within the US the effect size was a third of Turkheimer’s. Since then, along with his University of Virginia colleague David Fask, he has published other studies that also suggest that IQ is more heritable among wealthy families than among poor ones.

      In a 2011 commentary about environmental influences on human behavior, he wrote that “The nonshared environment, in a phrase, is free will. Not the kind of metaphysical free will that no one believes in anymore, according to which human souls float free above the mechanistic constraints of the physical world, but an embodied free will, tethered to biology, that encompasses our ability to respond to complex circumstances in complex and unpredictable ways and in the process to build a self.”

      Turkheimer was been featured on multiple Youtube talk shows, including Stefan Molyneux, The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder, and David Pakman Show. In 2017, Turkheimer along with Richard Nisbett and Paige Harden, published a piece in Vox criticizing Charles Murray and Sam Harris’ views on race and intelligence, following an appearance of Murray on Harris’ show. – Wikipedia

  1. Molyneux also talks up war — Your NZ – NZ Conservative Coalition