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9 August 2018

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  1. David

     /  August 9, 2018

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106108505/when-a-person-with-extreme-views-defends-free-speech-someone-gets-hurt

    Another Stuff journalist calling for the curtailment of free speech because she doesnt agree with the content, she chucks in a fair bit of racism herself. She also seems to think she is entitled to go through life without being offended and everything the state does for Maori in the name of the treaty should happen without question. Absurd woman and crazy a journalist could possibly have such extreme views on free speech.

  2. Blazer

     /  August 9, 2018

    She also seems to think she is entitled to go through life without being offended and everything the state does for Maori in the name of the treaty should happen without question. Absurd woman and crazy a journalist could possibly have such extreme views on free speech.

    speaking of ‘free speech’…it’s alot like ‘free trade’…only for some.

    Know any Jewish jokes…oh that’s right,that’s anti-semitism.

    • A little Jewish man was walking through the streets of Berlin in the 1930s,.

      He turned a corner and came face to face with an SS officer, who clicked his heels together and shouted ‘Schweinhund !’

      The Jewish man clicked his heels together and politely said ‘Cohen.’

      • Wakey, wakey, PDT, do I have to explain that the Jewish man was pretending to think that the SS man was introducing himself as Schweinhund (pig dog, a German insult, often aimed at Jews) ? And that HE politely introduced himself by his name, which was Cohen ?

  3. Gezza

     /  August 9, 2018

    Funny (not ha ha), I nearly posted about this yesterday asking if anyone had heard sny more about these allegations. This is getting very messy & less murky. A woman scorned is exposing some awfully wayward husbands but not pedos.

    Explosive allegations, no evidence
    Asked for evidence of an alleged child-sex ring, Anihera Zhou Black and her spiritual adviser cite vague connections, warnings and mythical codes
    More…

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106039693/estranged-wifes-explosive-childsex-claims-against-awanui-black-and-friends-questioned

    • David

       /  August 9, 2018

      Amazing article, the lady has certainly caused a stir. Perhaps it will turn out there isnt an underground ring of pedo,s but there will be quite a few wives keeping their husbands on a shorter leash.

      • I was dubious about the supposed paedophile ring from the start. This sounded too like the 80s hysteria to be credible.

        There are going to be some very angry men who’ve been wrongly accused.

        I couldn’t see any comments.

  4. Blazer

     /  August 9, 2018

    for all the ‘Als’ out there…2 minutes..

    • PartisanZ

       /  August 9, 2018

      “… a mutant, viral form of capitalism … a cancer …”

      Excellent little clip there Blazer … Cheers.

    • Zedd

       /  August 9, 2018

      USA/Coca-Cola Empire.. got it in 2 minutes !!

      ‘In GOD we Trust’ : Guns/gold, Oil & Drugs.. & also fast foods & cola drinks too 😦
      “Our way of the highway.. to oblivion”

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 9, 2018

      The economics and politics are a lot more complicated than that in most affected countries.

      • Blazer

         /  August 9, 2018

        how so..which countries?

        • Blazer

           /  August 9, 2018

          waiting….

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  August 9, 2018

          Name any one and we can detail it.

          • Blazer

             /  August 9, 2018

            Colombia

          • Blazer

             /  August 9, 2018

            googled up a counter argument yet Al?Truth is tough to dismiss isn’t it?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  August 9, 2018

              See above. Was following the Brash debate.

            • Blazer

               /  August 10, 2018

              Colombia is a text book case….”

              Colombia signed a three-year extended-fund facility arrangement with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) in order to boost confidence in the economy, prevent the exchange rate from collapsing once it was allowed to float, and return economic reform to the agenda, with fiscal sustainability and inflation control. This agreement, with minor variations, was extended twice and served as an important guiding framework for economic policy making, particularly in reestablishing Colombia’s reputation as a fiscally sound economy, a long-standing positive tradition that was lost in the 1990s. Signing the extended-fund facility with the IMF demonstrated that the government and the Central Bank were willing to make needed major policy decisions. In the context of the agreements with the IMF, the Bank of the Republic allowed the exchange rate to float in 1999 and concentrated on reducing inflation. The government also introduced several tax-enhancing reforms and partial reforms of the public pension system, amended the fiscal decentralization regime, strengthened the financial system, and once again privatized several financial institutions that the government had taken over during the crises.

              of course the burden of repaying the IMF interest ,resulted in a credit downgrade making it even more costly to service DEBT.
              The privatisation programme has been going well though,for the few…the average Colombian still struggles.

    • Corky

       /  August 9, 2018

      Too simplistic.

      • Blazer

         /  August 9, 2018

        come on…better critique needed…where does the premise fail?

        • Corky

           /  August 9, 2018

          I thought I would get a free pass seeing as I introduced you to John Perkins.

          Try the part were a world bank loan is taken out on behalf of the natives.

          • Blazer

             /  August 9, 2018

            when did you introduce me..read his book years ago.Loans are hawked to create infrastructure…the ‘natives’ have to repay it through taxation.

            Try United Fruit Coy..Guatemala….a plethora of case studies.

            Al knows better.Pretty lame counter.

  5. lurcher1948

     /  August 9, 2018

    Rightwing Duncan Garner and the conservation minister wants cats gone and I did nothing then Duncan Garner and the conservation minister came for my dogs…i will resist

    • duperez

       /  August 9, 2018

      If they come for our dogs they’ll have to specifically come on to the property that the dogs are confined in and come past the sign warning about the dogs. They won’t find them wandering out on the roads or around the neighbourhood.

      On the other hand they might come onto the property to take the cat that wandered here earlier this week. I don’t know about the breeding seasons of the tui and owls and Californian quails or the Kaka that have been present in recent weeks. The ‘Welcome, take the cat’ mat would’ve been out had anyone arrived on that mission.

      • PartisanZ

         /  August 9, 2018

        @duperez – “They won’t find them wandering out on the roads or around the neighbourhood.”

        I understand you may be talking about yourself and your own dogs, but on behalf of the general population you surely jest?

        • Any dog CAN get out, alas. People come and leave the gate open. A friend’s dog pulled the woodpile down to make himself a sort of staircase.

  6. Corky

     /  August 9, 2018

    Dog skin apparently makes great chaps. Give me a call if things go south regarding your dogs, Lurchy. 😼

    • lurcher1948

       /  August 9, 2018

      I understand rightwing skin is no good for chaps as its to thin whereby the left have suitable shin because its strong enough to put up with the whining from the right

  7. Gezza

     /  August 9, 2018

    The nurses’ union is ignoring calls to release the results of a secret ballot that endorsed Tuesday’s pay deal.

    Some members of the New Zealand Nurses’ Organisation (NZNO) are infuriated at the union’s acceptance of the District Health Boards’ collective agreement, and are doubtful of a claimed significant majority decision.

    Many are taking their anger to the Facebook forums that helped propel strike action.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/106097286/nurse-union-members-fractured-after-pay-deal-with-many-doubting-it-had-majority-support

    This is interesting. My former union, the PSA, never released the results of strike votes by workplace either. But they were never asked to. The management campaign to pay those on the collective agreement nothing extra for four years but to pay people who moved to IEA’s more, in return for reduced redundancy conditions & very limited overtime, was very successful. From memory that happened under both Labour & National administrations.

    Hopefully it will all blow over or these things can get very corrosive.

    • NOEL

       /  August 9, 2018

      Well if they are unhappy with the collective go on an individual contract and do better.
      Should remember though that if all else fails they are guaranteed what the collective achieved

      • Gezza

         /  August 9, 2018

        The New Zealand Nurses Organisation (NZNO) has bowed to online pressure to release the results of the fifth and final vote in favour of the latest DHB pay deal.

        The results show 64.1 per cent of those eligible to have their say during the almost two-week voting window accepted the offer, with the remaining 35.9 per cent opting to reject it.

        On Tuesday, it was announced that the ratification of the final offer had been accepted by a “significant” majority of members covered by the NZNO/DHB Nursing and Midwifery MECA.

        The previous offer resulted in a vote of 49.4 per cent in favour and 50.6 per opposed.

        NZNO chief executive Memo Musa made the decision to release the details of the final vote after online pressure to do so.
        More …
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/106157387/almost-65-per-cent-of-nurses-voted-to-accept-latest-dhb-pay-deal

  8. PDB

     /  August 9, 2018

    The ‘fiscal hole’

    “Before the election there was broad agreement from economists, myself included, that there was no fiscal hole in the Labour’s fiscal plan.

    The lack of money left in the kitty post the 2018-Budget raised issues of credibility, but the fiscal parameters were technically achievable.”

    “Steven Joyce is going to be proved right. There is a fiscal hole and a softening economy is making it wider.

    I don’t like the term fiscal hole. Good policy should dominate over strict debt targets and economic cycles come and go which are often beyond government control.
    But the Labour-led Government’s fiscal hole is looking deeper by the day – and bigger than the $11.7 billion of additional borrowing that Joyce identified.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12103577

  9. PartisanZ

     /  August 9, 2018

    ‘Extraordinary images show China’s staggering waste problem’ – Heraldo

    The arse-end of globalization … literally … viral, cancerous capitalism at work …

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12103823

  10. Zedd

     /  August 9, 2018

    I see the parliament is sitting ‘under extended hours’ (Wednesday) to pass the committee & 3rd reading(?) of the ‘waka jumping bill’.. despite all of Natl’s bluff & bluster.. it will likely still pass; coalition/C&S agreement.. “welcome to MMP folks !!”

    IF Natl do actually get back into power… one day.. they can always repeal it, if its that anathema ?

    • Zedd

       /  August 9, 2018

      Dr Nick (Smith.. not Riviera) sounding increasingly like hes singing “Im a one-man band..” :/ 😀

  11. Gezza

     /  August 9, 2018

    A new plan to get thousands of young people into work and training has been unveiled by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on Thursday.

    The Mana in Mahi – Strength in Work scheme is designed to help people aged between 18 and 24 who have been on the benefit for six months or more.

    Employers will be encouraged to take them on and help them work towards a level four qualification.

    The scheme will pay an income equivalent to the benefit the person was on, with the employer topping up to at least the minimum wage.

    More …
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/106111743/govt-unemployed-youth-need-dignity-of-work
    … … …
    Sounds really good to me.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 9, 2018

      The comments on the Stuff article show what the problems with it will be.

  12. lurcher1948

     /  August 9, 2018

    I love free speech,sometimes its allowed

  13. David

     /  August 9, 2018

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/106111743/govt-unemployed-youth-need-dignity-of-work

    How does she reconcile encouraging businesses to take a risk while getting rid of the 90 Day trial period for anyone who has the temerity to grow a company to more than 20 employees. Sorry the woman is a little stupid.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 9, 2018

      But her job is to represent stupid people, David. You must admit she does it well. And for Winston she is just another useful idiot.

      • David

         /  August 9, 2018

        Its dumfounding that you get rid of trial periods and youth rates then subsidise employers to do what they would do voluntarily if you hadnt changed the law.
        How about extending the 90 day law to 180 days, having youth rates to age 21, stop migrant students working and if you have to use taxpayer funds well spend it on moving someone from Northlands/East Coast to Southland/South Island to where the jobs are and maybe a stick if they wont move.
        Problem solved and you have money for cochlear implants with the savings.

  14. David

     /  August 9, 2018

    “The Ministry of Justice has cautioned the Government against using the Ministry of Justice’s own analysis on the Canterbury Earthquakes Insurance Tribunal Bill because of a “rushed” consultation period.

    A regulatory impact statement (RIS) from the Ministry reveals because the Bill’s proposals have been developed and analysed “extremely quickly”, “no external consultation has been undertaken.”

    This includes any direct policy consultation with the Earthquake Commission, Southern Response, private insurers or any claimants.”

    Obviously learned their lesson from shutting down the oil and gas industry ! So no consultation with 2 state agencies who have been dealing with these issues for 8 years, no consultation from anyone on the other side of the 2 agencies like a claimant and no consultation with the insurance industry.
    What the hell did they do in opposition given we were paying them 150k each a year.

    • Blazer

       /  August 9, 2018

      why are there so many unresolved claims in Christchurch…why didn’t the prior admin deal with them?

      • David

         /  August 9, 2018

        As a % of the total claims there are not a lot outstanding. Some people dig their heels in be they insurers or claimants, a lot are where you have multiple houses on one insurance policy and getting everyone to agree can be very tricky.
        There are loads of reasons and a tribunal could be a great idea but if you dont consult and listen will probably end up trying to fix the most complex of claims with a poorly designed vehicle. National kinda gave up after doing a pretty terrific job and left it to the courts.

        • Blazer

           /  August 9, 2018

          ‘National kinda gave up ‘…typical…leave it for someone else to worry about.

          • David

             /  August 9, 2018

            They walked a tightrope between kicking the insurance companies in the face and persuading them not to pull out of Christchurch, it was tricky for them but you make a point.

  15. Corky

     /  August 9, 2018

    Imagine Phil Goff entered an alternate universes and returned like this chap. Nah, that would be science fiction.

  16. Corky

     /  August 9, 2018

    Some great background info to this incident. Apparently the kids of Righties are also being targeted..

  17. lurcher1948

     /  August 9, 2018

    Da*id Fa*rar”*iwiblog”is struggling to get traction to get the Ma*seyUni *C sacked.The NA*TY right love it when they can claim a scalp,and Nat**nals attack p*odle is yapping as loud as he can.
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/finally_dissent_from_a_massey_academ
    luv that rightwing free speech, wheres don brash when you need him

    • Corky

       /  August 9, 2018

      Thanks for the link, Lurchy. What I can take from that, is this:

      Psycho Milt is lost.😃😃😃

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 9, 2018

      Thanks for the link, Lurch. Good to read the common sense commentary there.