“It’s basically human rights day!” as Greens support waka jumping bill

On Wednesday Green MP Golriz Ghahraman claimed “It’s been a GREAT day in the House…it’s basically human rights day!” – on a day that Greens failed to put one MP up to speak on Winston Peters’ ‘waka jumping’ bill that had raised concerns of a ‘chilling effect’ from New Zealand’s Chief Human Rights Commissioner.

Sounds good, except it omits a less than great aspect of what was going on in Parliament over the last couple of days.

That appears to be correct. Here is Hansard on the bill over the last two days:

No Green speakers, although the Greens have been mentions quite a bit. Nick Smith at the end of the debate:

I wish the Green Party would take a call and explain why they are voting for this bill, because we’ve been going for six hours and they haven’t taken a single call.

I’d like Gareth Hughes to answer the question: does the Green Party believe New Zealanders want to give more political power to party leaders through this clause? The honest truth? There ain’t a New Zealander out there that holds that view—not one. There isn’t an editorial, there isn’t a journalist, there isn’t a constitutional academic that says we’ve got a problem in this country, political party leaders don’t have much power.

What’s really in this bill is about the crude grab of power by Winston Peters, and nobody—nobody in this Parliament opposite—having the courage to say to Winston, “No, that’s not right. That’s not democracy. That’s not what this Parliament has been about for 170 years. That is not part of the culture of this liberal democracy.” I am just so disappointed in members opposite, that they do not have the courage of their convictions—[Time expired]

Ghahraman claimed “it’s basically human rights day!”

From her Green Party profile:

Golriz Ghahraman MP

Spokesperson for Human Rights

Her studies at Oxford, and her career as a lawyer in New Zealand and overseas, have focused on enforcing human rights and holding governments to account.

Radio NZ (May 2018): Waka-jumping legislation ‘undemocratic’ say experts

Chief Human Rights Commissioner David Rutherford told MPs the bill could have a chilling effect on MPs freedom to express legitimate disagreement within their parties.

“The proposed bill could fetter the ability of Members of Parliament to speak freely and express views contrary of others in their party … any potential restriction on the rights of the people’s representatives must be dealt with cautiously.”

The bill passed its first reading with the support of Labour, New Zealand First and surprisingly the Green Party.

The bill has continued to proceed thanks to the votes of Ghahraman  and her Green colleagues. Not much enforcing of human rights or holding government to account there.

25 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 10, 2018

    Add the Greens to Winston’s retinue of useful idiots.

    • Blazer

       /  August 10, 2018

      is there anyone or anything you actually…like?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 10, 2018

        Few in this Government, B. Who would you recommend?

        • Blazer

           /  August 10, 2018

          you are making a habit of avoiding an answer and turning the question back.
          Think about it…there must be someone or something that you like,admire ,approve of…surely.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  August 10, 2018

            I didn’t vote for them. You did. Surely there is one you can recommend?

            • Blazer

               /  August 10, 2018

              try an opposition member then…anyone?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  August 10, 2018

              Seymour is usually sensible. A lot of the others are also reasonable.

            • Blazer

               /  August 10, 2018

              Seymour is very fortunate to even be in Parliament as you well know.
              Seems quite smart ,and possibly wasted in ACT.

              Be interesting to see if he makes the cut ..next time.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  August 10, 2018

              No. Actually we are fortunate to have someone smart in Parliament because most voters are too dumb to recognise smart.

            • Blazer

               /  August 10, 2018

              we can’t all be mad scientists….Max!

      • Alan must be Jewish if he always answers a question with another question.

        • Or mine.

          I think that gay conversion is a waste of time,. but should it be illegal ?

          • Gezza

             /  August 10, 2018

            No. But gay people should be strongly warned against it.

            • I should have said gay conversion therapy, but you know what I mean. I would imagine that most gays would know about it by now and how useless it mostly is.

              It’s probably impossible to stop in in fundie churches.A friend was a fundie and was prayed over many times to cure her of her feelings towards women.Useless. She and her partner have been together for I forget how many years, and are very happy….her partner’s children and grandchildren completely accept J as their mother’s and grandmother’s partner. T

            • Gezza

               /  August 10, 2018

              I know that’s what you meant Kitty. And with fundies yes, many would feel a biblical moral obligation to try and help “sinners” abandon this “abomination”.

        • Relax, PDT. I am Jewish myself.

  2. Gezza

     /  August 10, 2018

    No pansexuals in my kitchen thanks.

    • See above.

      • Gezza

         /  August 10, 2018

        I don’t have any locks on the pots and pans cupboard, Kitty. 😕

        • This is becoming a VERY SILLY conversation indeed. 😀

          • Gezza

             /  August 10, 2018

            Whatever. I’d rather keep gender fluids and my cookware well apart.

            • No, Gezza, you are denying your saucepans and frying pans their right to express their own sexuality. Shame on you for a heterosexual male human being denying other species the rights that you expect from them. Do your pots and pans try to force you to stop expressing yourself as you see fit ?

            • Gezza

               /  August 10, 2018

              😀

  3. Zedd

     /  August 10, 2018

    said it before.. now I say it again: “Welcome to MMP !” meaning getting gains for all parties.. may require ‘swallowing a few dead rats’.. has to be better than another term in opposition (under Natl) !! 🙂

    Lab./NZF/Grns seem to have more in common than not.. Natl are still ‘in denial’ & trying to just create cracks/division in the Govt.; mainly between NZF & Grns.. ‘good luck’ (NOT) :/

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