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14 August 2018

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  1. David

     /  August 14, 2018

    “An extra $240m is being poured into Government drive to plant more trees and regenerate indigenous forest.”

    Well this was a pleasing headline to start my day with, not happy with a billion unplanted tress so far for our 320 million of course Jones needs a few more bucks. The extra comes from his regional slush fund which he seems to be struggling to spend, with a billion extra on foreign affairs a couple of billion for the military its no wonder NZFirst went with Ardern.
    On a separate note I paid my provisional tax installment yesterday albeit without much enthusiasm.

    • Blazer

       /  August 14, 2018

      you must pay your tax.
      I presume you paid the bare minimum.
      Tax is to feed the compounding interest on debt…the credit private bankers create out of thin air and lend to people.

      • David

         /  August 14, 2018

        Nope I paid the most I possibly could. Being a slightly leveraged property investor I would be delighted if the government paid my interest.

  2. Corky

     /  August 14, 2018

    I see the politics around Roundup herbicide is starting. It will be an interesting fight.

    Why should this issue be of concern? If you buy potatoes, squash and other crops from supermarkets, chances are their tops have been blanket sprayed with Roundup to facilitate easier harvests.

    Interesting to note Glyphosate is also patented as an antibiotic.

    • robertguyton

       /  August 14, 2018

      Antibiotic means anti living organism. Humans are part of the biosphere. Glyphosate and Roundup are not the same thing. Therein lies the rub.

      • Corky

         /  August 14, 2018

        Check the patents office. It was also used for pipe cleaning.

      • Corky

         /  August 14, 2018

        Glyphosate and Roundup are not the same thing?

      • Griff.

         /  August 14, 2018

        Round up is a Glyphosate based weed killer.
        Some formulations under the round up brand contain Surfactants or other weed killers.
        You can buy generic knock offs at 1/4 the cost.
        look for Glyphosate 360g/L and add a surfactant for better wetting out if required.

        • Corky

           /  August 14, 2018

          The Warehouse..where everyone gets a cheap knockoff. I don’t use Glyphosate. I used to many years ago. Most people I know will never give up using Roundup until it’s banned…if ever.

          • Blazer

             /  August 14, 2018

            How could you ban it…

            Monsanto would sue the gummint under the TPPA ..for billions.

        • Corky

           /  August 14, 2018

          ”Some formulations under the round up brand contain Surfactants or other weed killers.? ”

          • Griff.

             /  August 14, 2018

            The Round up brand covers many formulations all based on Glyphosate.
            Round up extra. Round up pro. Round up powermax.Fast Action Roundup and others .

            A Surfactant or wetting agent is added to some Roundup products to help the water droplets spread out and be absorbed . When you spray gorse or agapanthus for instance a lot of the weed killer just runs off without a Surfactant added. Surfactant’s also reduce the length of time it takes for plants to absorb the product reducing wash off by rain soon after application.

            Some roundup branded products like Fast Action Roundup also contains other weed killer’s to promote faster knock down or target a broader range of plants.

            • Corky

               /  August 14, 2018

              Those brands are just different dilutions of Glyphosates. Although I have come across a new Roundup product for lawns that doesn’t have Glyphosate in the formulation.

        • PartisanZ

           /  August 14, 2018

          Years ago before giving it up completely, I used Roundup sparingly at twice, then 10 times, then 25 times the recommended dilution … and it still kills …

          It’s basically World War Two’s ‘final solution’ applied to our environment …

          Poison fields grow poison food … which looks good and lasts longer on the Supermarket shelf … The ultimate expression of consumerism gone mad …

          Money economy makes decisions that are anti-health and anti-life … and then tries to fix the negative results of agri-chemicals with medicinal chemicals …

          Saw you on a film called ‘Edible Paradise’ Robert … inspirational … You rock man!

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 14, 2018

            There is no resemblance between a weed spray and the ‘Final Solution’ odf the Holocaust which was mass murder of 6,000,000 Jews (the Germans also murdered millions of other people, of course) It’s an insulting and demeaning comparison.

            Most people don’t use weed spray to kill every plant in the garden or use it to kill every living plant in the environment.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 14, 2018

              The Warehouse generic product has exactly the same ingredients, so it’s not a knock-off, just the generic version.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 14, 2018

              The glyphosphate free version is made with vinegar.

              If glyphosphate causes cancer, why don’t more people who use it have cancer ?

  3. lurcher1948

     /  August 14, 2018

    Don Brash just gave the Sir Key/National govt 0/10 for running the country, great minds think alike but Brash is more generous than me.

  4. sorethumb

     /  August 14, 2018

    Anger Over Tourists Swarming Vacation Hot Spots Sparks Global Backlash

    The latest surge is different, say experts such as Simon Milne, who has researched tourism around the world, and says frustrations have been boiling at an unprecedented level, especially the past 18 months. “We can’t ignore the fact that tourists don’t have a good rap in many places,” said Mr. Milne, director of the New Zealand Tourism Research Institute at Auckland University of Technology.
    ……………….
    China’s emergence as a tourist source is adding to crowds. Outbound Chinese tourists rose to more than 60 million last year from fewer than 20 million a decade earlier, according to Chinese data.
    The Chinese spent $261 billion vacationing abroad in 2016, more than travelers from any other country, and China has accounted for roughly 80% of the growth in global tourism in dollar terms since 2008, according to the U.N. New Zealand’s former prime minister, Bill English, last year declared during a visit by Chinese Premier Li Keqiang that 2019 would be the “China-New Zealand Year of Tourism.”
    Yet the boom in Chinese visitors has added to traffic at some tourist hot spots, such as the white-sand tropical beaches and coral reefs of Southeast Asia, that were already under strain from throngs of visitors.
    [has picture of bus Chinese bus outside Crown Plaza Queenstown]

    “I’ve lived here for 36 years and the place is a whole lot better than when I came here,” says Jim Boult, the town’s mayor. “Some New Zealanders have the idea that because it isn’t like it was in 1965, it’s not good anymore.”

    Locals complain traffic has become a problem, and residents who can’t afford homes feel squeezed out. Jason Medina, an events manager, says he moved to Queenstown in 2004 and found a sleepy mountain town where houses rented for about $1,000 a month. Now, he says people are lucky to get single rooms for that.

    Comments like
    john kim
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    2 months ago
    Toured South Island for 5 weeks. I was in Queenstown for about 4 hours before driving off.
    and
    ‘“I’ve lived here for 36 years and the place is a whole lot better than when I came here,” says Jim Boult, the town’s mayor. “Some New Zealanders have the idea that because it isn’t like it was in 1965, it’s not good anymore.”’

    That’s hilarious – the mayor loves the tourists and can’t fathom why anybody else wouldn’t. I guess he loves crowds and the extra money to play with. But maybe – just maybe – some of his constituents came for the remote beauty of there place, not in hopes of transforming it into Times Square.
    Vote that guy out!

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/anger-over-tourists-swarming-vacation-hot-spots-sparks-global-backlash-1527000130

    also
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-16/americans-sleep-in-maori-hall-as-tourists-overwhelm-new-zealand

    Chinese tourists and Chinese operators (including bus drivers) are squeezing locals out. real wages have been falling since 1979.

    • PartisanZ

       /  August 14, 2018

      The people of Barcelona have decided to favour refugees over tourists … a most interesting development …

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 14, 2018

      Queenstown traffic jams are just ridiculous. After our last visit we will definitely give the place a miss next time we are down. Seriously terrible traffic management.

      • Blazer

         /  August 14, 2018

        loony left in Council?

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  August 14, 2018

          Dunno, but obviously dreadful traffic planning and hopelessly inadequate road and parking infrastructure.

          • Blazer

             /  August 14, 2018

            Queenstown mayor is far right.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  August 14, 2018

              Dunno, but the planning and building needed to happen a decade or two ago.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  August 14, 2018

              I suspect NZTA is heavily involved in this debacle also. They needed a bypass highway around the town, huge public parking building(s) and pedestrian malls and one-way streets around the lake. Instead they’ve got a hopeless gridlock.

      • sorethumb

         /  August 14, 2018

        It isn’t just that tough, people have bought expensive apartments with a narrow view (one frame) of the lake.
        Many of the posts in the comments section were about world overpopulation. New Zealand’s low population was a luxury which has been squandered.

  5. Corky

     /  August 14, 2018

    Observations With Corky:

    The parliamentary sign language man has to go. He is too overweight and seems to diminish my concentration on who’s speaking at the podium. I saw him yesterday looming over Jacinda; like Trumpy over Hillary. I would rather concentrate on what’s being said.

    • Blazer

       /  August 14, 2018

      just close your eyes.

      • Corky

         /  August 14, 2018

        Funny guy. I was just an observation. I have moved back to Three News. I now consider them the best of a very bad bunch. However, the sign language man still pops up.

    • PDB

       /  August 14, 2018

      He’s a planted distraction from the nonsense she does say (when the baby is unavailable).

  6. lurcher1948

     /  August 14, 2018

    What a laugh the two decamped Canadian NAZIS have keep the money for their free speech rightwing rally and ran, saying and asking for the money as a donation as they were out of pocket, so rightwing/nazi supporters money is easily parted, FREE SPEECH ISNT CHEAP

  7. Gezza

     /  August 14, 2018

    Ma just rang me from the supermarket to tell me they had a special on – 2 Nescafe Classic packs for $10. She also said “… and I see the deli’s got Chilli Cocaine with rice today”. 😮

    Her pronunciation of foreign languages is not the best – but just in case, I think I’ll go down there & see what I can get. 🤔

    1126 hours.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 14, 2018

      “She don’t lie – she don’t lie – she don’t lie……COCAINE !

  8. lurcher1948

     /  August 14, 2018

    Those females were women…respect

  9. Corky

     /  August 14, 2018

    Aretha Franklin gravely ill. How she lasted this long with pancreatic cancer is beyond me.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/aug/13/aretha-franklin-reportedly-gravely-ill

    • sorethumb

       /  August 14, 2018

      1% survival rate (from memory)

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 14, 2018

        It’s one of the sneakiest cancers. By the time someone knows they have it, it’s too late. The symptoms are very vague.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 14, 2018

          It’s one of the sneakiest cancers. By the time someone knows they have it, it’s too late. The symptoms are very vague.

          I have just googled it. It’s not as bad as 1% (I thought that it was virtually incurable, too, Sorethumb) if it’s caught in time, but it usually isn’t. The one year survival rate is 25% and the five year rate 7%.

          Better than 1% but not good.

  10. lurcher1948

     /  August 14, 2018

    tRump and”friends”and yes some of the patches on the knuckle draggers say interesting… things
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkhK-8PUwAErVGz.jpg:large

  11. lurcher1948

     /  August 14, 2018

    • Corky

       /  August 14, 2018

      AND THE US ECONOMY IS BOOMING. EXPORTS OF DOG SKIN CHAPS TO ASIA SKYROCKET.

  12. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 14, 2018

    Farrar has a letter on Kiwiblog from Tuku Morgan to the Maori King excoriating him. The Maori oligarchy is in trouble again.

  13. Gezza

     /  August 14, 2018

    Question 1 in the House is funny today. I’ll post it when it’s available.

    • Gezza

       /  August 14, 2018

      It’s Simon to Jacinda – about a Labour bill that will allow union reps to enter workplaces with currently no union members, without the employer’s permission, to recruit members:

      • Gerrit

         /  August 14, 2018

        Cant see how that would work (freedom of workplace access) with the current HSE laws in place. Just about every worksite I go to one has to have a site safety briefing before entry.

        Even with a construction workers Site Safety Certificate in the back pocket, access without consent onto a site without a safety briefing is not permissible.

        Only freedom of access to a workplace is to the front reception counter (or foremans office on a construction site).

        Any union representative entering a workshop or construction site environment without permission is liable to a trespass notice on HSE grounds at the very least, even if wearing steel capped boots, high vis clothing and a hard hat.

        Would not be popular with the employer to enter a worksite without going through the site safety briefing first. Certainly not a good move if wanting to win friends and influence people.

        • Gezza

           /  August 14, 2018

          Did you watch the video? She covers that. Over and over again. Instead of just answering Simon with a yes or no.

    • Gezza

       /  August 14, 2018

      Quite a good Questions session today.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 14, 2018

        Will anti-unionists be able to come in without notice to try to make people leave the union ?

        There are few things more maddening than standing in a badly designed bus ‘shelter; waiting for a bus that doesn’t come because of a 24 hour strike. Thank you, Jacinda et al, it was good exercise walking the length of the main business street with a bag of groceries.The cold rain was unpleasant, but the strike must go on, bugger the public.

  14. lurcher1948

     /  August 14, 2018

    Farrar keeps chewing on a well overchewed bone on something that happened early last week,link stolen from another whining post that Farrar cannot let go
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/106140228/As-an-academic-I-m-embarrassed-by-the-silence-over-Brash-ban

  15. Gezza

     /  August 14, 2018

    Amy Adams looks like she was dressed by the girls at her local primary school today 😕

  16. lurcher1948

     /  August 14, 2018

    tRump isnt a very nice person
    https://t.co/MLczzu5rtb

    • High Flying Duck

       /  August 14, 2018

      When the first two claims they make are completely wrong and deliberately taken out of context the rest of the story is not worth bothering with.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 14, 2018

        Why on earth did he admit to the 1973 thing if it didn’t happen ?