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  1. robertguyton

     /  16th August 2018

    “He had rated that Government at zero out of 10. On the TV programme, I said I agree with that assessment.” Don Brash rates John Key.
    “”Too harsh” was the response of Duncan Garner after I had left the studio. John Key steered us successfully through the Global Financial Recession and the Christchurch earthquakes.

    Broadly true, though our ability to weather the GFC was due in no small part to the strength of the Australian-owned banking system and the economic buoyancy of our two biggest export markets, China and Australia.” Don Brash serves up some hard truths, making Key’s fans squirm!

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    • You’re a fan of what Brash says now? Were you over the last couple of weeks?

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      • robertguyton

         /  16th August 2018

        I once had breakfast alongside of Don Brash (and Bill English et al) at a Natty function (I’d been invited, special!) and chatted with Don about this and that; he’s a pleasant enough breakfast buddy and I won’t hear a word said against him, especially when he’s clearing up the false story built around Key.

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    • David

       /  16th August 2018

      So basically you are annoyed that Key didnt implement a right wing agenda promulgated by Brash and instead stayed in the centre and was labour lite.

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      • Blazer

         /  16th August 2018

        Key fuelled the housing crisis,Key tried to turn NZ into a tax haven and trashed NZ’s reputation,Key privatised assets owned by the NZ taxpayer,Key practiced crony capitalism of the worst order,Key introduced extreme right wing Stasi type spying on NZ citizens,Key was a compulsive..LIAR.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  16th August 2018

          That’s a serious accusation, and unless you have proof (which I doubt) you should be careful about spreading it.

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        • PDB

           /  16th August 2018

          Blazer: “Key tried to turn NZ into a tax haven and trashed NZ’s reputation”.

          Probably why everybody wanted to live here and our economy was well respected on the world stage under the last National govt.

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          • Blazer

             /  16th August 2018

            probably why it had to be wound back…Panama papers..helped too.

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            • PDB

               /  16th August 2018

              Probably why even during that beat-up & non-story we still remained at the very top of the least corrupt index.

            • Blazer

               /  16th August 2018

              indexes are just right wing constructs…who believes the inflation index=only the deluded.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  16th August 2018

              All forms of measurement and accountability are “Right wing constructs” Blazer – the current Govt are busy dismantling anything that will measure the effectiveness of their policies.
              Plausible deniability is the friend of the left…

            • Blazer

               /  16th August 2018

              you forget implausible deniability….’we don’t(want)have ..the data’!

    • Blazer

       /  16th August 2018

      the punchline sums it up…

      ‘Key was exceptionally gifted as a self-deprecating after-dinner speaker. He had enormous political capital. Alas, he almost totally failed to use it to deal with the deep-seated problems we faced in 2008 and still face today.’

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  16th August 2018

        He did it his way. I agree with Brash’s critique but Key was his own man focused on winning power and keeping it in a difficult MMP environment. On the whole he did good.

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    • PDB

       /  16th August 2018

      Brash has always been jealous of Key and didn’t like being rolled by him. Hardly the guy to give a balanced opinion on the subject.

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      • Blazer

         /  16th August 2018

        I love the way the Nats quickly disown,forget or write off former leaders…Muldoon,Bolger,Key …Brash who was also Res Bank Gov…all of them consigned to irrelevance by the faithful.

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  16th August 2018

    “If you attack Grant you’ll be called a homophobe no doubt. And if you attack Chippie you’ll be called a gingaphobe”This was.stolen from an alt rightwing site nearby…
    Who is this (chippie) person the right use as a nickname for some one in this government,the right love baby nicknames like commie chick and “the first bastard.The term chippie is used to describe a carpenter or a person working in a fish and chip shop so who in the Labor Government has a name called Chippie

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    • Gezza

       /  16th August 2018

      Chris Hiipkins. It kind of works for him though – because really does still look like an archetypal bright & chirpy little fresh-faced boy who – in the US – might be called Chip. Like Chip in the TV series My Three Sons:

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  16th August 2018

    tRump, has issues, as he gets older…those diet cokes rot your brains and maccas lets not go there
    Stephen King

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    The President of the United States called a woman a DOG. Let me repeat that: he called her a DOG. Have we gotten so numb to Trump’s ugly, demeaning talk that this means nothing? You might like her, you might not, but to call her a DOG?

    ORANGE is the new hate filled stupid

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  16th August 2018

    Says it all to the tRump lovers,if they can understand
    Andrew Wortman

    @AmoneyResists
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    .@realDonaldTrump:
    —Women are not dogs
    —Mexicans are not rapists
    —Nazis are not fine people
    —Black people are not lazy
    —Women are not to be grabbed
    —Maxine Waters is not “low IQ”
    —Don Lemon is not “the dumbest man on TV”
    —Lebron James is not “dumb”
    —You are nothing but a disgrace

    35 replies 641 retweets 1,670 likes

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    • Corky

       /  16th August 2018

      YOU FORGOT..MUSLIMS ARE FINE PEOPLE.

      So fine, the judge let these ones out on bail.

      Any comments, Lurchy?

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/08/13/fbi-agent-testifies-new-mexico-muslim-family-preparing-attacks-following-toddlers-death/983804002/

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      • lurcher1948

         /  16th August 2018

        YAWN, Corky im more scared of catholic pedeo priests and im not catholic

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        • Corky

           /  16th August 2018

          Of course you are..that’s the problem with people like you.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  16th August 2018

            One nutty family is too small a sample to prove anything at all.

            This would be like quoting that family in the US with the abused and half-starved children as a typical American family.

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            • Corky

               /  16th August 2018

              Hello, Hello, Hello…

              The post was about the liberal attitude of the judge who wasn’t going to stand for Islamophobia.

              Hence my reply to Lurchy:

              ”Of course you are..that’s the problem with people like you.”( and the judge).

              I might add: and people like you too, Kitty.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  16th August 2018

              That is nonsense, the post was not about that.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  16th August 2018

              If your post was about that, you haven’t understood the case at all. Judges have to obey the law like anyone else. There is nothing to suggest that your interpretation is correct.

              The people had guns; these are lawful in the US. You are aware of this, I am sure. It’s not a crime there.

              Some of the police had the same guns in their own houses.

              There was not enough evidence to keep the people. Their race and religion were irrelevant. The judge was acting according to the law, which does not allow for people to be treated differently because of race or religion. Even if the judge had wanted to, she could not have acted in any other way.

              The law in the US is that someone is innocent until proved guilty.

              And so on.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  16th August 2018

              Feeble attempt to backpedal.

              You said that “MUSLIMS ARE FINE PEOPLE’ and went on to say that theyy were so fine that a judge let one lot out on bail; totally irrelevant to anything.

              I doubt if fear of Islamophobia had anything to do with it.

              More muddled thinking from you and an attempt to say that you didn’t actually say THAT…when you did.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  16th August 2018

        Best not mention the grooming gangs of Muslims in the UK, responsible for rape and child sex trafficking of 100’s of girls (one had over 700 victims). The UK police did not want to prosecute them for fear of being labelled racist.
        Utterly disgraceful.
        And another has just come to light…

        “Grooming gangs abused more than 700 women and girls around Newcastle with “arrogant persistence” after police appeared to punish victims while letting the perpetrators walk free, a case review has found.

        The report into the response by authorities to child sexual exploitation found that before a large-scale police operation was launched in 2014, officers’ actions were sending an “unhelpful” message to perpetrators”

        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-uk-britain-newcastle-serious-case-review-operation-sanctuary-shelter-muslim-asian-a8225106.html

        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-grooming-gangs-1500-victims-investigation-police-national-crime-agency-pakistani-white-a8219971.html

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  16th August 2018

        This is the thin edge of the wedge when it comes to “tolerance” and multiculturalism:

        “The government received information detailing the extent of grooming gang activity in Rotherham as far back as 2002 but failed to properly act on it, a review has found.

        The National Crime Agency’s ongoing investigation has revealed that more than 1,500 girls and young women may have been abused in the Yorkshire town between 1997 and 2013.

        A report by Alexis Jay exposed “blatant” failures by police and the Labour-run local council, where officials feared racism accusations at the time.”

        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-grooming-gangs-inquiry-home-officer-information-2002-failure-a8451926.html

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  16th August 2018

          It doesn’t seem to be true that they were not prosecuted because of race.

          The problem is actual evidence.

          The police were criticised for warning potential victims to take care, not be lured into drinking etc…and were accused of blaming the victims.

          The girls were targeted not because of race but because they seemed soft targets, as has happened since time immemorial in all countries.

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          • High Flying Duck

             /  16th August 2018

            Sorry Kitty, but that is wrong. It was definitely an aversion to being seen to target “Asians” and deference to cultural issues, even when highly illegal that led to this being covered up for many many years.

            The scale of the problem is breathtaking and it is still finding victims and unearthing new gangs today.

            The English correspondent on Hosking this morning was speaking of the latest trial and how the widespread problem was ignored for years due to cultural sensitivities.

            Read the full article to see how repulsive it was, and still is:

            “One young person told the inquiry that “gang rape” was a usual part of growing up in the area of Rotherham where she lived. In most of the cases that the inquiry team examined, the victims were white children under the age of 16 and the perpetrators named in the files as “Asian males”.

            The report said council staff were scared of being accused of racism by flagging up the issue in a town of nearly 260,000, where 8 per cent were from black and minority ethnic backgrounds.

            However, schools raised the alert over the years about children as young as 11 being picked up by taxis, given presents and phones and taken to Rotherham and other towns and cities.

            One researcher for the Home Office who raised concerns with senior police officers about the level of abuse in 2002 was told not to do so again, then suspended and sidelined, the inquiry found. Youth workers who worked with the victims and had already repeatedly told police and officials about the problems were criticised by full-time council staff and their roles downgraded.”

            https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-child-abuse-report-finds-1400-children-subjected-to-appalling-sexual-exploitation-within-9691825.html

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          • Griff.

             /  16th August 2018

            Your are right kitty scooter trash have been grooming young girls for decades here in NZ .
            Rape is common and they deliberately get young girls addicted to meth then prostitute them.

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          • Griff.

             /  16th August 2018

            But blazer that is sodomizing young boys for Christ so is different .

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            • Corky

               /  16th August 2018

              No, it’s not different. It’s abuse of young lives. The difference is those
              lowlife scumbags are from our culture. We are stuck with them whether we like it or not. Muslims are not from our culture. There is no need to let them into the West. We don’t need them. We have enough scumbags of our own.

  5. David

     /  16th August 2018

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/106310719/full-list-of-mps-expenses-shows-spending-topped-21-million

    Interesting half the Greens and Labour havent travelled anywhere so one would guess they actually havent done any work. All of National MPs have been out working and the poll results reflect that.

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    • David

       /  16th August 2018

      Sorry they are Ministers and reported seperately

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    • Blazer

       /  16th August 2018

      ‘All of National MPs have been out working ‘…to most of them,real work is a swear word…works for the …plebs.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  16th August 2018

        Says someone who has probably never known an MP and has no idea of what they actually do.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  16th August 2018

      FACTS LINKS less bullshit

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  16th August 2018

    A tRump supporter showing his inner self

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    • lurcher1948

       /  16th August 2018

      tRump supporters here and there,are one can short of a 6 pack, notice it’s in his hand and he’s a feral racist,

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      • Corky

         /  16th August 2018

        From Simar. An activist.

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        • lurcher1948

           /  16th August 2018

          From Simar. An activist. and a human being, who can call a rightwing racist a national voter

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  16th August 2018

            Ugly, ugly, what a sickening video, I hope that the black family have good security.

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  7. Gezza

     /  16th August 2018

    It’s a grey, overcast, windy cold day in North Welly. I pay my taxes AND my rates. Why should I have to put up with this? Heads should roll! 😠

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    • lurcher1948

       /  16th August 2018

      Im retired and do dog agility all over New Zealand and do Tai Chi near you Gezza,we will not live for ever

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  16th August 2018

        I blame the parents, Gezza.

        When’s Old Velvet-ears coming to the Waikato ?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  16th August 2018

          Lurch, have you seen The Warehouse’s dog models from a dog shelter ?

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          • lurcher1948

             /  16th August 2018

            Your NZ open debate has become a sub section of kiwiblog general debate, PG your blog is now an echo chamber of a right wing site,where the negatives(righting) have the right to post, and im moderated into non existent

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            • Corky

               /  16th August 2018

              Pete moderated one of my posts to Kitty. Man up and take your lumps like an old time Leftie..and stop whining.

  8. Corky

     /  16th August 2018

    Goji berries have started to leaf. The Buddleia bush is stating to flower. For me it is officially spring regardless of the the weather or what the weatherman says.

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    • Gezza

       /  16th August 2018

      My now 2 stream bank wild buddleia summer lilac bushes aren’t flowering yet. They’ve still got the brown dried remnants of the last flowers attached. But they are looking strong & healthy.

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      • Corky

         /  16th August 2018

        Flowering shouldn’t be far away.

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        • Gezza

           /  16th August 2018

          I’m trying to find out what this other plant is that’s springing up now on the bank, as it does every Spring. It’s a bulb, leaves similar to a daffodil’s, but taller & hardier, with an orangey-red flower cascade on stalks . It’s not flowering yet, just starting to come up everywhere again.

          The pooks built the nest they had Pickles in down amongst it. It flowers until early Summer. It was good camouflagefor them – made it harder to see the red beak & plate of whichever bird was nest-sitting, although they wove leaves over gaps as well.

          I must take some screen shots of the hi-res videos I took & google the images. I thought it was coprosma, but it’s not.

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  9. PartisanZ

     /  16th August 2018

    Further to my Newsroom posting yesterday about foreign ownership shenanigans in the South Island High Country …

    “Blue Lake’s purchase of Guide Hill was contingent on the company spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on philanthropic projects, including $180,000 with Lincoln University and $200,000 donated to the Mackenzie Country Trust.”

    The Mackenzie Country Trust then tries to persuade the landowners to put some land into reserve voluntarily …

    I feel entirely vindicated in calling these so-called “Trusts” the ‘Charitocracy’, although their legitimately corrupt connections with selling Aotearoa NZ by the hectare are not what this latest Newsroom article is really about … Mr Lee’s ‘Guide Hill’ Tourist Development …

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/08/15/194086/mackenzie-stations-tourism-plans-get-green-light?preview=1

    Life in the NZ High Country during the 1960s, with its correspondence school, shearing festivals and motor-launch-delivered supplies, constituted THE ENTIRETY of NZ History taught when I was at primary & intermediate school … Taught year after year …

    This was the Kiwi pastoral idyll … even in those days applicable to the merest handful of people in the country … The equivalent of the American ‘rancher’ or Australian giant run-holder …

    Needless to say there was nary a mention of anyone Maori … I knew more about American Indians than I did about Maori …

    I wonder if Mr Lee could be persuaded to make his tourism experience a kind of ‘living museum’ with actors portraying the old High Country lifestyle for Chinese tourists to engage and mingle with? A kind of ‘Reality Reality’ … as opposed to Reality TV?

    Might make the ‘service work’ a bit more interesting? (But probably not any better paid?)

    Jobs for youngsters in their first few years after graduation from Drama School …?

    MackenzieWood? And next-door …. MackenzieVegas?

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