Shaw opens Green Party conference

There’s a good chance there will be quite a bit of debate at this year’s Green party conference, behind the scenes at least, but up front James Shaw is promoting Green wins through being in Government, as well as acknowledging some of the problems with being a small party in joint power.

Stuff:  James Shaw opens Green Party conference: We’re ‘just getting warmed up’

The party’s two-day Palmerston North conference is their 28th but first in Government, and first with Marama Davidson as co-leader.

Shaw used his Saturday morning speech to recount wins and to remind the party membership that the decision to go into Government was not just made by him, the sole co-leader at the time.

According to Sue Bradford (on Nation) there is tension in the power over leadership power, caucus power and membership power.

“We haven’t won every debate and the menu does feature the occasional deceased rodent. But it just goes to show, you made the right choice to go into Government,” Shaw said – one of 49 mentions of the word “you” in the speech.

Shaw acknowledged that Government was challenging the purity of the Green Party’s values as they were in opposition.

“Our values, our Green kaupapa, are being tested in ways that I just don’t think we faced when we were in Opposition,” Shaw said.

That happens to all parties – it’s just that Greens are experiencing it for the first time.

But he believed this was making the party’s values “even stronger” as they had to be properly challenged and delivered on.

In a way forcing re-evaluations of policies outside the green bubble is a good thing, but it can be challenging, and risks driving divisions.

Most of the sessions – including one named “Election 2017: Learning – Healing – Strengthening” – are closed to media.

That’s normal at party conferences. The public stuff is PR managed as much as possible.

This shows how Green support took a dive over the Metiria Turei issue and Jacindamania.

Polling so far this term…

…shows that Greens have a bit of a challenge ahead.It has levelled off in the MMP threshold danger zone on 5-6%.

They will hope their wins have more influence on voters than their losses and embarrassments.

 

42 Comments

  1. robertguyton

     /  August 18, 2018

    “They will hope their wins have more influence on voters than their losses and embarrassments.”
    Yes, we do. I expect we’ll do very well at the next election.

    • PDB

       /  August 18, 2018

      That’s them shagged then – the Guyton kiss of death at work again.

      • robertguyton

         /  August 18, 2018

        My support for The Greens, PDB, helped them win a place in Government; hardly the KoD, was it. Your team however, didn’t make it and your promotion of them didn’t help in the slightest 🙂

        • Gezza

           /  August 18, 2018

          😮 Jacinda rang and asked you which ones she should give portfolios to ?? 😳

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 18, 2018

            Which one has Defence ? I know that she’s the first woman to have the defence Potfolio, but forget the name.

            • Gezza

               /  August 18, 2018

              That would be Golriz. They need her like they need a hole in the head.

              They went for photogenic over people of value like robert.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 18, 2018

              I know. I wanted to see if Robert would say it was her or admit that she is no more the Minister of Defence than I am. Even it she had the post, she wouldn’t be the first woman to do so.

              If someone’s going to fabricate things, it’s a good idea not to do it with something everyone knows isn’t true (including the people who are or have been whatever it is)

              Some idiot claimed to be the Orthodox priest of a certain parish, and someone pointed him out as this, in all innocence….to the real one who knew that D…….. was not even ordained.

              I have been very disappointed and disillusioned by Miss G.

            • robertguyton

               /  August 18, 2018

              Potfolio? Is that intentional?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 18, 2018

              er, no. It’s a tyop,

              But she did claim to have the Portfolio, which would make her the Minister….which she isn’t.

          • robertguyton

             /  August 18, 2018

            Hardly! I’d already tended my recommendations the week before.

  2. David

     /  August 18, 2018

    He seems like an agreeable chap but does come across as a bit of looser who accidentally won for the first time and doesnt quite know what to do, seems embarrassed.
    Like a kid who has only ever won a participation medal.

    • robertguyton

       /  August 18, 2018

      You’ve fallen for his schtick, David. James didn’t “accidentally” win the leadership of the Greens and the party he leads didn’t “accidentally” win a place in the Government. That people still think that of James is testament to his talent at camouflage.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 18, 2018

        … or testament to his camouflage of his talent.

    • Gezza

       /  August 18, 2018

      loose
      comparative adjective: looser
      1. not firmly or tightly fixed in place; detached or able to be detached.
      “a loose tooth”
      synonyms: not fixed in place, not secure, insecure, unsecured, unattached; More …

      2.(of a garment) not fitting tightly or closely.
      “she slipped into a loose T-shirt”
      synonyms: baggy, loose-fitting, easy-fitting, generously cut, slack, roomy, boyfriend; More
      Tip:
      looser is sometimes confused with loser

      … … …
      (No need to thank me. Corks thanks me enuf.)

      • Ray

         /  August 18, 2018

        You know you are winning when the spelling and grammar pedants (or pendants as the unwashed call them) come out to point out your mishaps!

        • Gezza

           /  August 18, 2018

          You know you dealing with the wilfully ignorant when they persistently ewes the wrong werd or spring to the support of those hu du.

        • Gezza

           /  August 18, 2018

          However, getting back to Mr Shaw, I did attempt to listen to his address at the link provided (it started over 10 minutes in) but I drifted off into the land of Nod again about 4 minutes in I think. I blame a blanket & hot water bottle. It was cold and wet outside & I’m still catching up on staying up for a whole night a few days ago.

          What I was hearing was a man talking up FINALLY being in Government, after 28 Annual Conferences, using “MInister” when referring to certain Green MPs with portfolios – to riotous applause – and explaining to conference delegates that a few successes in Government were well worth the sacrificing of some of their principles.

          I got the impression some things he said were applauded more vigorously than others. I would imagine however that, overall, things are going reasonably well at the conference, because they have to.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 18, 2018

          I can’t think why Ray thinks that having grammar (or grammer as Corky has it) and spelling corrected means that one is ‘winning’.

          • Corky

             /  August 18, 2018

            Maybe if you stopped worrying about my grammer, and tried working on your logic and lack of comprehension, I may actually believe you have been educated. Until then, I’m sorry… 5th form with 3 School Cert topics would be the limit of your schooling.

            Now, you want education. Try the Governess from ”The Chase” quiz show.

            https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/saturday-morning-with-jack-tame/video/anne-hegerty-i-got-my-masters-degree-before-i-learned-to-tie-my-shoelaces/

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 18, 2018

              You do like to make yourself sound silly, don’t you ? I only said that you thought that grammar was spelt grammer. Touchy, touchy.

              Cortex asinissimus est, Bouchon est tres, tres bete. Dummkopf ist….

              All that pathetic personal (and lying) abuse shows that you can’t bear it that I have three sets of letters after my name and you have …….? None ? How many languages do you know ? None ?

              Have you been on Mastermind ? I have,

              Here’s a little riddle that I made.

              Quis fulvus est et quam tintinnabulum sonat ?

              Can you (a) answer it (b) do anything like it ?

            • robertguyton

               /  August 18, 2018

              “Have you been on Mastermind ? I have”
              And yet…”Potfolio” – “tyop” ??
              So, your specialist topic wasn’t .. spelling?

            • Maggy Wassilieff

               /  August 18, 2018

              strepitus album

            • Corky

               /  August 19, 2018

              ”All that pathetic personal (and lying) abuse shows that you can’t bear it that I have three sets of letters after my name and you have …….? None.”

              That is correct…and so funny at the same time.

              ”Have you been on Mastermind ? I have.”

              I haven’t, that’s correct. Why don’t you post a clip of yourself wowing the audience. Speciality subject..bullshit, bluster and blogging.😄😄

              ”Here’s a little riddle that I made.”

              No need to make up riddles..everything you write is a riddle.😄😄

  3. Corky

     /  August 18, 2018

    National needs to concentrate on Marama Davidson. She’s a weak link waiting to be broken.

    Fast forward to the upcoming election campaign. This time around National won’t need to hijack some deadbeats copyright. No, all they will need are exceptionally large hoardings painted with a list of this governments transgressions. There’s so many. Why not start with Marama’s fixation on the C word? That’ll start an election bush fire.😎

  4. Gezza

     /  August 18, 2018

    1ewes pre-news teaser headline just said:

    “It’s no go. The Greens call for an end to foreign countries bottling our water.”

    Somebody get some tranquilizers into Sir Alan quickly before he hears of this.

    • Gezza

       /  August 18, 2018

      *countries = companies (soz, got carried away with the urgency)
      (It’s Marama calling for it.)

      • robertguyton

         /  August 18, 2018

        So it’s not only Marama who struggles with words that begin with ‘c’!

        • Gezza

           /  August 18, 2018

          She wasn’t struggling with it. She was advertising it. Has she fronted up with a pic of the damn thing at the conference yet? Folk are probably quite curious now.

          • robertguyton

             /  August 18, 2018

            A picture?
            There are people who wouldn’t recognise one?

            • Gezza

               /  August 18, 2018

              I think so. Get someone ask around at the conference? If they can find any blokes? 😳

  5. PartisanZ

     /  August 18, 2018

    This seems to be conference related –

    ‘Greens gain concession in review of Act to consider water bottling’ – NZHeraldo

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12109430

    “Both Labour and New Zealand First promised during the election campaign to put a price on water, Labour through a broad pricing scheme and NZ First through a royalty.

    Their coalition agreement to impose a levy has yet to come to anything.

    National opposed a levy, and a report on possible pricing commissioned by the previous Government did not eventuate.”

    Only Gareth Morgan correctly identified the massive ‘roadblock’ preventing government action here: Whatever government takes on the ‘pricing’ of water is going to come face-to-face with a parchment document entitled Te Tiriti o Waitangi and the question, “Who owns the water?” ….

    Anyone having fears of a ‘Water Market’?

    Rest easy, there already is one. Bottled water is huge … and very weighted in favour of ‘producers’ who pay next-to-nothing for the raw material …

    It’s akin to the ‘slavery’ of an essential environmental resource …

    • PartisanZ

       /  August 18, 2018

      That’s why a comprehensive, refreshed Bill of Rights must include Rights of the Environment …

    • Trevors_elbow

       /  August 18, 2018

      No market in water for home use. No special racial concessions on water. It is a sovereign asset of a special type and should be managed by Government for all NZs people.
      The cost for the home should be only the cost of storage, reticulation and keeping it clean.

      It falls from the sky free… should be free in your homes taps.

      A price for commercial use is worth debating and also what the revenue from commercial users should be used for after all costs covered.

      • Blazer

         /  August 18, 2018

        a levy on all exported water would seem sensible.

        Fiji water =15c per litre levy.

      • PartisanZ

         /  August 18, 2018

        But the gold, the coal, the oil, the minerals and the very soil of MY PRIVATE PROPERTY are MINE!

        Why not the water?

        • PartisanZ

           /  August 18, 2018

          And if the property is “our property”, communally owned by say a whanau-hapu-iwi, isn’t the water “theirs”?

          • Gezza

             /  August 18, 2018

            I guess if it’s not moving out of their property one can argue it is. But then there’d be argy bargy whenever someone else wants to dam or pipe & take it all before it gets there?

          • Gerrit

             /  August 18, 2018

            You would need to define where the water is at to allocate ownership. Who owns the rain bearing clouds? Who owns the rain? Who owns the water landing on their roof? Can I collect water from my roof and claim ownership?

            The we get into problems who owns the water in say Lake Taupo (if not owned by the state). Local IWI? But that water flows down the Waikato River, owned by another IWI Does one IWI charge for the water rights from Lake Taupo to the IWI owning the Waikato River?

            And if the Waikato River owning IWI don’ pay for the water (which is going to flow down the river irrespective) what will the Lake Taupo water owners do? Withhold the water?

            Mind you this rapacious taxation government might just tax rainfall like being tried in Maryland

            “So what exactly is the “rain tax,” and who must pay it?
            This tax is an annual fee on impervious surfaces such as roofs, driveways, sidewalks, garages, and any other surface that could create drainage problems and water contamination situated on property owned by an individual or a business.”

            https://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbrown/2014/01/03/when-it-rains-it-pours-tax-dollars-in-maryland/#2ef9e7377c69

            • Blazer

               /  August 19, 2018

              Tax is collected to pay burgeoning,compounding debt.
              That’s the way the system works infinite growth,infinite debt.
              The wealthy use taxhavens and trusts to avoid debt.

              This Govt is no more rapacious than the last.

        • Maggy Wassilieff

           /  August 18, 2018

          Not at all.
          The Crown Minerals Act 19911
          provides that all petroleum,
          gold, silver and uranium existing in its natural condition in
          land is the property of the Crown in New Zealand.

          https://www.nzpam.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/permits/minerals-guidelines/mineral-ownership-lms-reports.pdf

          • PartisanZ

             /  August 19, 2018

            Cheers Maggy … That’s good … That means there’s a precedent for water …

            A precedent which can be challenged under Te Tiriti o Waitangi.

            These natural elements being considered “property” also implies they have a value, which is going to be an intrinsic part of the ‘argument’ over water …

            Presently the Crown can sell water … and does … so cheaply as to put to shame even its own minuscule cents-in-the-dollar Settlements of Treaty Claims …

            It’s gonna be the most wonderful and enthralling legal stoush …

            Who needs the All Blacks and Joseph Parker!!!!???