Trump supports “sick behavior” online

In a series of tweets Donald Trump says:

  • that Republican/Conservative voices are being unfairly discriminated against online
  • that “Censorship is a very dangerous thing & absolutely impossible to police”
  • he supports “sick behaviour” being able to continue,
  • everybody should be able to participate, “good or bad”

He keeps condemning ‘fake news’ – information online that he doesn’t like or doesn’t want published – but suggests that favourable fake news be able to continue unfettered.

What happens online across the political spectrum is bad enough without the president – someone in an extraordinary position of power and online reach – effectively promoting a war of words that presumably he thinks he can win.

He may end up being a big loser personally (he is aat risk of that at least), but the online community loses out bigly with the sort of behaviour he is defending, promoting, and doing.

22 Comments

  1. FarmerPete

     /  August 19, 2018

    Seems to me that you are making an argument against free speech.

    • No, it’s an argument against Trump’s support of anything goes. Someone in his position should be setting an example of responsibility and decency online, not of irresponsibility and indecency.

      Free speech is best supported by example of using it well, not supporting the bad.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 19, 2018

        Seems to me you are making an argument for pious sentiment rather than practical reality.

        Free speech is only free if things you don’t like can be said. That is the simple point Trump is making however you like to dress it up.

        • I am not arguing at all against things I don’t like being said.

          I’m arguing that Trump of all people should be setting a standard for decent speech. Unfortunately he chooses to set a crap example, which encourages more crap. I think that’s crappy, and discourages free and open speech.

          • David

             /  August 19, 2018

            He is a billionaire property developer from Queens, he is exactly the same person that the American voters elected. Little rough in political circles but I would imagine many would trade effective if somewhat un PC leadership to a leader who is incapable of addressing any difficult issue but has winning smile and speaks fluent PR.

        • Griff.

           /  August 19, 2018

          Free speech is only free if things you don’t like can be said. That is the simple point Trump is making however you like to dress it up.

          Yess Alan trumps attacks are free speech.
          but
          He is trying to shut down free speech by the media and the justice arm of the US government because it disagrees with him .
          If you or I do that it is inconsequential.
          Trump using the power of his office is not it is an attack on the processes that are necessary for a functioning democracy.

          By the way trumps points are monkey typing.Any of value are pure chance not a reflection of a rational mind.

          Midterms …….

          • Gerrit

             /  August 19, 2018

            How is Trump stopping free speech? All his critics have the freedom of speech to make any utterance at all. Where are the gagging orders?

            Taking away security clearance does not stop anyone from speaking.

            Here is the latest twist to get Trump impeached.

            “The key to Steyer’s corruption claims is the fact the President is being directly paid by a huge number of representatives of foreign governments — including Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Kuwait, and the Philippines — who have all stayed at his hotel in the US capital, or held events there.”

            https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12109579

            So anyone who stays in a Trump owned Hotel (or plays on one of his golf courses I guess) is paying Trump directly and as such Trump is guilty of corruption.

            No wonder the anti Trump agenda is held in such low regard if that is the level of thought.

            Trump is by far the worst president but lets get serious, he wont be riled or impeached by anything if allegations like that are bandied about.

            Surely the democrats should be lining up alternative candidates and policies to present to the people and the vote?

            Who is going to be the in the democratic race for presidential nomination? Bernie Sanders?

            • Gezza

               /  August 19, 2018

              Surely the democrats should be lining up alternative candidates and policies to present to the people and the vote?
              Who is going to be the in the democratic race for presidential nomination? Bernie Sanders?

              I agree. This is where they are absolutely hopeless so far. Bernie’s too old. They really need a younger candidate who is a credible counter to the Trump phenomenon – but that candidate then also needs to spell out exactly what ARE the Democrats’ policies – because under Obama they had warm, fuzzy contradictory or conflicting policies that Trump has exposed & been creaming them with.

              Getting a candidate who isn’t bought & who has the sheer Grunt to win over all the disparate & dishevelled Democrat cats & meld them into a unified Party will be a challenge. Being anti-Trump isn’t enuf.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  August 19, 2018

            Nonsense. He hasn’t shut down anything but his opponents have.

  2. David

     /  August 19, 2018

    The shadow banning and changing algorithms to suppress the voices of conservatives is insidious. Trump gets condemned for attacking fee speech and then gets attacked for supporting free speech and its ridiculous to say he supports sick behaviour.

    • Griff.

       /  August 19, 2018

      Donald Trump ‘Fifth Avenue’ Comment
      Donald Trump controversially observed that he could shoot an individual on a widely trafficked New York City street and not “lose one voter.”

      As we see in the refusal to except trumps own rhetoric for what it is.

      • Gerrit

         /  August 19, 2018

        More nuanced people would read that quote figuratively, to mean that the people that he was seeking to vote for him would not be found on Fifth Avenue. He was after all chasing the “fly over states” vote.

        People looking to take offense read that comment literally to mean that he could get away with murder.

        Sometime it requires a bit of thinking to differentiate figurative and literal speech.

        • Griff.

           /  August 19, 2018

          quod erat demonstrandum

          • Gerrit

             /  August 19, 2018

            He would have better demonstrated the literal interpretation by saying, I don’t need to campaign on Fifth Avenue as no one there will vote for me anyway.

            I think his quote shooting was an answer to Clinton’s “basket of deplorable” statement.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 19, 2018

              The deplorables speech seems to be an urban myth,

              Snopes has a long list of fake speeches attributed to Hillary Clinton.

              I don’t believe that he was being subtle about the shooting locality (Trump subtle ???? that’ll be the bloody day) although he wasn’t actually going to try it. If he had done it, the place would have been irrelevant.

            • Griff.

               /  August 19, 2018

              Trump is from New York .
              Fifth avenue was his example of a very public place nothing more .

              That the trumpies twist anything he has said and done to justify his behavour is a given.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 19, 2018

              The deplorables speech is an urban myth; see Snopes,

            • Gerrit

               /  August 19, 2018

              Kitty:

              Go to 1:42 minutes in this clip.

              Snopes is not to be trusted if they ignore the truth.

            • David

               /  August 19, 2018

              Snopes Kitty, give me a break. They are way too partisan to be taken seriously anymore.

  3. Trevors_elbow

     /  August 19, 2018

    @Kitty… Deplorables … comments at a fund raiser… as reported by the BBC. She didn’t say it Kitty????? Really… so why did she apologize for saying it?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election-us-2016-37329812/clinton-half-of-trump-supporters-basket-of-deplorables

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