Disturbing allegations of online death and rape threats

There’s been quite a bit of online comment lately about females getting serious threats of harm.

1 News: James Shaw ‘really furious’ female colleagues Marama Davidson and Golriz Ghahraman are subjected to threats online – ‘I don’t face that as a white male’

Mr Shaw told TVNZ 1’s Q+A current affairs programme he was “really furious” that his colleagues are subjected to “constant sustained attack” from people making threats against them.

“I don’t face that as a white male – certainly not nearly to the same extent,” Mr Shaw said.

Apart from a spate of attacks and threats over a few months in 2015 and 2016 I don’t get attacked on Twitter, but I don’t tweet very much, and I’m not well known like an MP is.

Ms Davidson tweeted in July that she had received “death threats towards me and my kids from supporters of those two who Goff refused to hire a venue to”.

Ms Ghahraman said in May she has also been subjected to threats online, including threats of sexual violence, and said social media networks like Facebook need to take more responsibility.

I don’t venture much into political stuff on Facebook either. I have seen some examples of threats, and also of more general attacks, so have no reason to doubt their claims. It is an insidious problem that females in particular seem to suffer from.

On Twitter today:

From my perspective, this is an extremely well-timed piece. It’s fast becoming mostly madness on here. So why do we keep doing it? Are we masochists?

During the last 24 hours, I’ve received well over a dozen death and rape threats.

That’s an alarming claim.

I haven’t counted them all. I’m not worried or frightened or scared. Or even angry. I’m just completely inured to it. And that’s not a healthy way to be.

It’s extremely unhealthy for online discussions and socialising.

Now, some will argue that I poked the viper with *that* tweet so what did I expect? That’s one (strange) way of looking at it. The other is that an online world where this stuff is par for the course, is very sick indeed. Do I need to be part of it? Something I need to consider.

The fact that I feel absolutely nothing/zero/zilch about being threatened and called every name under the sun, is a sure sign I’ve stayed too long at the online party. Might be time to call a cab and go home. Before the sun comes up.

That would be an unfortunate response, because that would appear to be the aim of those gutless nameless pricks (I think they are mostly men), to drive off voices they disagree with.

Well, it’s been an eye-opener. That’s for sure. I never really paid the whole issue much attention before. But now I see what the all the fuss is about. Politicians, journalists, and the public should be very concerned about what is happening. But, they’re not.

There are multiple herds that take intolerance to intolerable levels.

Perhaps there’s some way some of the online community can get together and brainstorm ways of trying to deal with this, without shutting up, and trying a counter shut down of voices.

 

29 Comments

  1. Grumpy

     /  August 20, 2018

    Naturally, all these people immediately laid a police complaint. We look forward to seeing the guilty punished by the law…………..? They did lay a complaint didn’t they?

  2. robertguyton

     /  August 20, 2018

    Why do you think it would be “natural” to respond to an online death threat by immediately laying a police complaint, Grumpy? I’d have imagined it would be more natural to retreat into a frightened state of high anxiety; call a friend for support and advice, all sorts of things, before approaching the police.

    • Grumpy

       /  August 20, 2018

      Maybe one of them…but all? They can all get together to put out a press release, the cops should be no problem. Don’t they want a full investigation and the guilty punished?

    • sorethumb

       /  August 20, 2018

      Bullshit. I’ve had some sinister comments. One of them mentioned some medical details. No way do you delete that you keep it: it’s your protection/evidence. marama is as cunning as a rat. i can’t see her missing a trick. On the Sunday program she and the interviewer look at her mobile phone: almost as though there is something on it?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 21, 2018

        Wouldn’t it be a good idea to print them out before deleting them ?

        Isn’t there a way that Twitter could recover them ?

  3. robertguyton

     /  August 20, 2018

    “Don’t they want a full investigation and the guilty punished?”
    Rachel Stewart’s point was that she feels ” absolutely nothing/zero/zilch about being threatened”.

  4. Blazer

     /  August 20, 2018

    Dr I don’t like your ..medicine..but no jail…

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12110341

  5. artcroft

     /  August 20, 2018

    Here’s a instance of Stewart threatening David Farrar. Pot Kettle Black.
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/09/fairfax_columnist_advocates_violence.html

    • Corky

       /  August 20, 2018

      Great shooting, Arty. You’d want to be quick on the draw if you met this woman in a dark alley.

    • sorethumb

       /  August 20, 2018

      I was just reading about conflict theory and I googled “linguistic authoritarianism”
      “Never play chess with a pigeon. It will just knock over the pieces, sh*t all over the board and strut around like it won.”
      https://extranewsfeed.com/the-first-victim-of-authoritarianism-is-language-ef27ae176fdf

      • Gezza

         /  August 20, 2018

        It’s even worse with mallard drakes named Ivan. They stand on all the squares around the king and with their great big webbed feet & refuse to budge unless you give them food and you’ve got no show of winning if you have brought any with you. Plus they do bigger, messier poos on the board when you beat them,

  6. Corky

     /  August 20, 2018

    “I don’t face that as a white male – certainly not nearly to the same extent,” Mr Shaw said.

    Well, Mr Shaw, maybe that’s because you aren’t a stretcher of the truth, or a shallow foul mouthed thinker. Just a thought. A thought you as a leader should have had and acted upon.

  7. Grumpy

     /  August 20, 2018

    A police complaint would give these allegations much needed credibility.

    • robertguyton

       /  August 20, 2018

      The complaints don’t lack credibility, at least, according to Pete George;
      ” I have seen some examples of threats, and also of more general attacks, so have no reason to doubt their claims. ” I agree with Pete.

  8. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  August 20, 2018

    There’s direct threats and then there is just creepy stuff…
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/general_debate_31_march_2018.html#comment-2175550

    Why on earth would some anonymous guy be wanting to know the size of undies that an old bat like me wears?

    • Blazer

       /  August 20, 2018

      good question..hard to fathom!Do you have..wings?

    • Gezza

       /  August 20, 2018

      Perverts Maggy.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 21, 2018

        Maggy, when I was a teenager, I had a phone call from an obviously oldish man who asked for the lady of the house, claimed to be opening a boutique and was doing a survey about fabrics….it began to sound a bit odd, as if he didn’t really know much about them, and ended with him asking what kind of knickers I had on. All that palaver for that.

        Nearly 10 years later, I was flatting with another girl. She answered the phone, and was obviously answering questions, until she made some abrupt comment and hung up,

        She said that I’d never believe what that was all about. But I did….was it an old man opening a boutique etc ?

        How long was the old fool doing that ?

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 21, 2018

          Maggy, ‘what the dickens’ means ‘what the devil’ or ‘what the deuce’ and has no connection with Charles Dickens.

          The word is found in Shakespeare; I think in As You Like It.

  9. sorethumb

     /  August 20, 2018

    Cathy Newman played the same trick as Marama – “ohhhh look how bad those people are!?”

    • Gezza

       /  August 21, 2018

      What if it’s not a trick?

      • sorethumb

         /  August 21, 2018

        it may not be but it is moot if she deleted the evidence

        • Gezza

           /  August 21, 2018

          Cathy Newman? 😳

          • sorethumb

             /  August 21, 2018

            Marama Davidson

            • robertguyton

               /  August 21, 2018

              sore thumb “senses” that Marama is not telling the truth. I “sense” sore thumb “sensors” are stuffed.

            • Gezza

               /  August 21, 2018

              Davidson immediately deleted the threatening comments to prevent wider offence, but has since recovered the offending messages to give to police.
              DEBRIN FOXCROFT July 8 2018
              Stuff.co

            • sorethumb

               /  August 23, 2018

              Either way so what. A member of the public has no status and is likely sounding off. Marama (mis)used it as guilt by association.