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  1. Conspiratoor

     /  August 22, 2018

    The world is on the brink of a historic milestone

    In less than two years half the world will be middle class. And we are getting close to another dust-up. I wonder if the two are connected…

    “people who have enough money to cover basics needs, such as food, clothing and shelter, and still have enough left over for a few luxuries, such as a motorcycle”

    https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/2018/08/21/does-60-000-make-you-middle-class-wealthy-planet-earth/1051406002/

  2. chrism56

     /  August 22, 2018

    See a blogger has shown that another Kelvin Davis’s statements is wrong.
    https://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com/2018/08/half-of-maori-prisoners-are-ngapuhi.html
    Either Kelvin is mathematically challenged or he just makes shit up. Either way isn’t good for a transparent government. Considering how all the papers went after Steven Joyce for budget predictions that now have been called correct, why aren’t they challenging these statements? Or is Kelvin still in the witless protection scheme?

  3. Corky

     /  August 22, 2018

    On the back of Reserve Bank forecasts and lower business confidence levels, Kiwis are moving back across the ditch in larger numbers according to latest migration figures.

    Mikey had an economist on this morning who basically said New Zealand is going in the opposite direction to what much of the world is economic wise.

    All grist for the mill as negative political and economic indicators spiral out of control for this government.

    They aren’t at the Malcolm Turnbull stage, but it will be interesting to see what shape the government is in pre election. If they go for an early election it will be a sure sign they have no confidence in themselves, and have been spinning us bs for their whole term in office.

    • Blazer

       /  August 22, 2018

      they are leaving to chase home ownership.
      National destroyed the Kiwi Dream.

  4. David

     /  August 22, 2018

    Breaking !!! epic fail for Mueller. Manafort only found guilty for filing incorrect tax returns which was pretty much a slam dunk and there was little defenece to that..he signed them after all.
    Mistrial on the important stuff as they couldnt reach a verdict.

    • Griff.

       /  August 22, 2018

      Former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort found guilty on eight counts of fraud

      JManafort, 69, was convicted on five counts of tax fraud, two counts of bank fraud and one count of failure to report a foreign bank account. The charges carry a maximum sentence of decades in prison. He avoided conviction on some charges however, with the jury saying it could not reach a consensus on 10 out of 18 total counts.

      Manafort faces additional charges in a separate case, to convene in Washington DC in September.

      • Gezza

         /  August 22, 2018

        Just caught a brief bit of Alajz tv news presenter saying he admitted he broke campaign finance laws, but said he was directed to do so by Trump?

        • Gezza

           /  August 22, 2018

          Or maybe it was Cohen? I’ll have to see if I can get more details later.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  August 22, 2018

            Yes, Cohen’s plea bargain. I’m sure there will be more to come on that.

            • David

               /  August 22, 2018

              It was Cohen, that is not fantastic for Trump but we all knew he did the porn star and paid for her to keep quiet as per his lawyer Giuliani.
              Its campaign finance violation similar to Democrat candidate John Edwards having a donor flick a million to his bit on the side, no verdict in that trial and charges dropped.

            • Joe Bloggs

               /  August 22, 2018

            • Gezza

               /  August 22, 2018

              Michael, hi – have you met Karma. What do you think of her? 😎

  5. David

     /  August 22, 2018

    Lets wait for the Trump haters to now claim this has nothing to do with collusion and were not related to Russia collusion as opposed to if he lost on all 18 counts it would be proof that Trump colluded and its a matter of time before impeachment.

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  August 22, 2018

      I’d be more concerned about Mickey Medallions if I were you, David, ‘cos Cohen’s sworn statement is evidence that trump committed impeachable federal crimes that don’t depend on proof of Russian collusion or obstruction.

      Manafort’s toast and still has retrial of 10 charges in front of a different judge, plus another trial in September in D.C. on charges including conspiracy to defraud the United States, failing to register as a foreign agent, money laundering, witness tampering and making false statements. You can count on it that the prosecutors there have a whole new set of charges and a huge volume of evidence, some of which might well tie back to BLOTUS.

        • Joe Bloggs

           /  August 22, 2018

          apples and oranges Maur… also squirrel

          Cohen testified under oath that BLOTUS directed him to commit federal crimes by making payments to two women for the principal purpose of influencing an election.

          As Lanny Davis has pointed out, If those payments were a crime for Michael Cohen, then they’re a crime for trump.

          • MaureenW

             /  August 22, 2018

            We’ll see .. another big nothing-burger. Poor ole Mueller, all this time and all this digging and he’s got sfa.

      • David

         /  August 22, 2018

        Manafort was always dodgy and Trump should never have taken him on, he was foisted on him by the Republican party and was booted 3 months later in fairness.
        I have his campaign rally on in the background and he just doesnt seem bothered by this in any way shape of form, he is getting excited about clean coal as opposed to windmills and solar panels and no doubt will move on to Space Force shortly. The guy is entertaining.

        • Corky

           /  August 22, 2018

          It’s driving ole Joe crazy. He’s so upset that Trumpy is still standing he’s given me a nasty comment.😃😃😃. His comments on American politics has been a point of mirth for me. He doesn’t get that Trumpy has won.

  6. robertguyton

     /  August 22, 2018

    Judith Collins texting “fake news”/untruths again . Despicable!

    • Gezza

       /  August 22, 2018

      I dunno. I looked at the clips on the Standard and they didn’t actually clarify what the whole business was about.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 22, 2018

        Jacinda Ardern said that there would not be nationwide strikes….yeah, right….

  7. robertguyton

     /  August 22, 2018

    Blazer! You’ll be delighted to hear that Julie Anne Genter has delivered a healthy, bouncing baby boy!

    • Corky

       /  August 22, 2018

      Will the baby sleep in one of those special flax kete weaved especially for babies? That would be so cool; so PC; so middleclass.

      • robertguyton

         /  August 22, 2018

        So, Corky; what do you recommend? Something “un-PC”? A cardboard box? Cut a Beamer fuel tank in half, silver-plate it and line it with fur from the throats of ermine? Something plastic? What’s your suggestion?

        • robertguyton

           /  August 22, 2018

          Corky?

        • Corky

           /  August 22, 2018

          Go to Babies R Us. Get an ordinary cot like everyone else and stop virtual signalling.

          • robertguyton

             /  August 22, 2018

            What’s an “ordinary” cot, Corky?
            Ordinary for whom ?

            • Corky

               /  August 22, 2018

              Ordinary for whom ?

              Mainly the lower and middleclases. People who want something for the baby to sleep in. They aren’t out to make a statement.

          • lurcher1948

             /  August 22, 2018

            “whats virtual signaling” it sounds like some tRump fake news

        • Corky

           /  August 22, 2018

          ”Cut a Beamer fuel tank in half, silver-plate it and line it with fur from the throats of ermine?”

          You would make a good Rightie, Robert. That paragraph oozes wealth and privilege.
          Trust Mother Gaia getting her claws into you.

          Never come across the word ”ermine?” before. I’m sure Kitty will tell me all about it. And how long the Beamer fuel tank should be electro-plated for.

          • Gezza

             /  August 22, 2018

            An ermine is a stoat, usually in its white coat. Used in this sense he means the fur of a dead one.

            • robertguyton

               /  August 22, 2018

              Some Righties would harvest it from the live animal, Gezza, you know that!

            • Gezza

               /  August 22, 2018

              Evidence?

            • robertguyton

               /  August 22, 2018

              Anecdotal. I’d be very reluctant to link to graphic images of that sort. I used to read Slater’s blog. Read a lot of that sort of talk there.

            • Gezza

               /  August 22, 2018

              Filed under BS.

            • robertguyton

               /  August 22, 2018

              Best place for it.

          • robertguyton

             /  August 22, 2018

            Corky – you imagined what Julie Anne’s baby might sleep in, criticised your imagining but won’t furnish any suggestions as to what does meet your approval, aside from a link to “Babies R Us”.Are you nothing more than a contrarian? Is there any substance to your comments? What would you consider appropriate for the baby to sleep in? Come on…

            • Corky

               /  August 22, 2018

              Tell you what, Robert. I will concede to you now. We’ll take up the debate when we see pictures of the baby..either a flax cot, a Peruvian carry sling or maybe a flax one. Either way I’m bound to score a point somewhere.

              Talking of the middleclass. I see the PM can’t keep up with her babies milk demands, so she’ll be using and promoting goats milk powder.

              Good luck to her. She will only find an empty space at the supermarket where this product goes. I have actually watched a whole trolley of the stuff go before it could be shelved. Asians and well heeled mums the main offenders. Talk about being hoisted with her own petard” , eh, Robert. I use the term loosely.

              ps- you must try raw goats milk Kefir. The calcium and probiotics will do wonders for your temperament.

            • Joe Bloggs

               /  August 22, 2018

              I’m hugely impressed by those woven flax Moses baskets. Much cheaper and far more environmentally friendly than a cot from Babies R Us… but I expect you know/care about that already.

              But I also like how they facilitate cultural traditions of communal sleeping while deterring roll-over deaths… but I expect you know/care about that too…. unlike some.

              Who the fuck cares about virtue-signalling when you get all those benefits.

            • robertguyton

               /  August 22, 2018

              Very courageous of you to say so, Joe, what with corky on the case ‘n all.

            • robertguyton

               /  August 22, 2018

              Thanks for the kefir-tip, corky. Ours is a water kefir and I like it a lot. Goat’s milk to, finds favour in this household. Kombucha too – we have it alll 🙂 Jacinda might make her own harakeke wahwkura Kete – oops, too late, she’s ben gifted one https://www.facebook.com/Wahakura-216596981683683/ I guess it’d be rude to turn it down, though you’d have no compunction, corky, ’cause, you know, virtue signalling and all.

            • robertguyton

               /  August 22, 2018

              I wrote “wahakura” but some gremlin changed it too wahwkura, whatever that might be.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 22, 2018

            Ermine is always the stoat’s white winter coat. I think that the black bits are tails, but am not sure about this.

            Ermine coat sounds better than stoat coat, I suppose….an ermine is also a stout-bodied moth, white with black spots.

    • Blazer

       /  August 22, 2018

      good news….still don’t approve of heavily pregnant women biking to hospital…though.

      • robertguyton

         /  August 22, 2018

        I know you don’t. Still, it all turned out well in the end.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 22, 2018

        She would be in much greater danger of falling off with the centre of balance altered, cycling is much less safe than driving, and why anyone would risk their baby in order to show how Green and PC they are is beyond me. If anyone had hit her and knocker her off the bike, the consequences would be terrible. She was in city traffic. What an idiot ! It’s a pointless risk to take.

        • robertguyton

           /  August 22, 2018

          I love it: the PC Brigade warning against the dangers of…biking while pregnant!
          All Pregnant Women Must Be Wrapped in Cotton-Wool – No Bicycle-Riding!!!

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  August 22, 2018

            What could possibly go wrong? Especially when she bikes home.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 22, 2018

            Being heavily pregnant means that the woman is less stable, less able to balance and more liable to fall off a bicycle.

            Given the number of cyclists who are involved in accidents each year, I find it hard to imagine why someone would, in the interests of being PC & Green, risk her own and her baby’s lives. But she must have thought that the publicity engendered was worth that risk.

            Most pregnant women put the baby’s safety ahead of everything else, but she doesn’t seem to have.

            Heavily pregnant woman on a bike in city traffic….risk without reward. If she had come off the bike, she could have lost the baby. Not worth it, surely. But it’s her baby and if she chose to put it in danger in this way, there’s nothing anyone could do.

        • robertguyton

           /  August 22, 2018

          Kitty: you’re clever with words, especially those in a foreign tongue; can you tell us what “Laudato is” means? Someone posted that as a comment (newest) on the youtube site that hosts “An invitation for wildness”, the story of our forest garden.

          • robertguyton

             /  August 22, 2018

            Laudato si (spell check changed it)

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 22, 2018

            It may be meant to be laudatio, a commendation. ”Is” is a pronoun. It;s hard to give an exact translation sometimes.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  August 22, 2018

              It’s Italian isn’t it? Praise be to you according to Google.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 22, 2018

              Ah…I was thinking that it was a typo of a Latin word. I tend to think of Latin first; I only had one year of Italian.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 22, 2018

              In that case, ‘is’ must be a typo for ‘si’.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  August 22, 2018

              Probably a religious reference to this, though (environmental or Catholic):
              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laudato_si%27

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 22, 2018

              Praise be might be a better rendition.

              ‘Si’ is a Latin word, but it makes no sense with a variation of laudatio.

    • Gezza

       /  August 22, 2018

      Isn’t a bit presumptuous these days saying what gender it is before it’s old enuf to decide what gender it is itself?

      • robertguyton

         /  August 22, 2018

        Nope.

        • Gezza

           /  August 22, 2018

          Why not?

          • robertguyton

             /  August 22, 2018

            You can say what you like: if the child or its parents object, they can let you know. In any case, if you get it wrong, hei aha? You can always change your call. No harm done. I’ve often heard, “What a beautiful little girl”, when in fact the child is male. Or seemingly so. Didn’t ask the infant. Probably happens the other way round too.

            • Gezza

               /  August 22, 2018

              Righto. Don’t forget. Just gently stroke his cheek or the top of his head. Don’t pinch his cheeks. OK?

            • robertguyton

               /  August 22, 2018

              ‘k

  8. Corky

     /  August 22, 2018

    Damn..just watching a Muslim man admit on Jeremy Kyle that he’s gay. How’s that for bravery.

    • MaureenW

       /  August 22, 2018

      Admitting to watching Jeremy Kyle is very brave of you.

      • Corky

         /  August 22, 2018

        I watch it now and again if I’m eating boring fare. You can learn even from the banal. What I have learnt is the state of English teeth is shocking..on par with New Zealand. Is it a social or class thing?

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 22, 2018

          There’s no accounting for taste, I suppose.

          People must want to see strangers’ bad teeth for reasons known only to themselves.

        • Corky

           /  August 22, 2018

          ”The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it.” – Ayn Rand

  9. robertguyton

     /  August 22, 2018

    Gee, Observer Tokoroa over at The Standard’s harsh on the likes of Judith Collins and Paula Bennett!
    “Let the Public see just how stupid the women of Sir John Key are. How they denied any crises of housing. How great things were for everybody – when the opposite was true.

    We must keep drawing attention to the blatant lies and indifference of the National women and how they caused the biggest evil ever to have happened in Aotearoa’s History.

    The National Women are Stench. Always have been. And they work to towards evil not towards goodness. That’s why they cluster together. Like a devlish coven.”

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 22, 2018

      What utter drivel/

    • Ray

       /  August 22, 2018

      Nasty and sexist Robert, I sure you know that, I truely expect better from you.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  August 22, 2018

        Dipped his toe in The Standard gutter and it came out grubby.

      • robertguyton

         /  August 22, 2018

        Yes, Ray, it’s very bad. I was inspired to post it after seeing corky’s “bad teeth” clip. Sometimes it’s interesting to look at unpalatable material in order to understand how fortunate one’s situation. No one here on yournz would say such things as Observer Tokoroa, I’d wager.

  10. lurcher1948

     /  August 22, 2018

    David Garrett posting guest posts elsewhere on the right wing blogs he must be trying to be selected as a MP on some of the obscured new rightwing party after how his last effort as MP ended in disgrace

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 22, 2018

      Or perhaps just celebrating the first exercise of his 3 strikes law?

  11. Alan Wilkinson

     /  August 22, 2018

    Good speech by Chris Bishop at Massey. Tears idiot VC Jan Thomas to shreds.
    https://m.facebook.com/notes/chris-bishop/speech-to-massey-university-politics-club/1855117041201839/

  12. Corky

     /  August 22, 2018

    Damn, just seen the immigrants in France trying to hitch a ride on lorries across to Britain. The French police catch them then let them go. They are now spreading out to smaller towns to try their luck. People in these small towns are feeling unsafe and are moving.

    How sad is that. Western culture dying before our eyes.