Open Forum – Saturday

25 August 2018

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49 Comments

  1. WordPress just advised me: You’ve posted 1,405 days in a row on Your NZ! Keep up the good work.

    I have posted 14,640 times in total. That’s over seven years, so about 2,000 per year – quite a few are the regular daily posts, but there’s still quite a bit of typing and copying/pasting and reading involved.

    Just as importantly, there have been about 258,000 comments. Without input from many people it wouldn’t be worth doing. So thanks.

    • robertguyton

       /  August 25, 2018

      I reckon I’ve done my bit to help 🙂

      • Gezza

         /  August 25, 2018

        That’s true. You don’t help much on The Standard.

        • duperez

           /  August 25, 2018

          I’m not that regular but it’s all quality!!!!!!🙃🙃

          • PDB

             /  August 25, 2018

            dupz: “I’m not that regular”

            Perhaps see a doctor about that?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 25, 2018

              No need for that, drink plenty of water and eat lots of fibre (like All Bran)

        • Conspiratoor

           /  August 25, 2018

          I remember the day you touched down G and immediately went to work on the word count. Of the current crop only Sir Al was here when I arrived 4 years ago under another nom de guerre and fresh from a banning at WO. Perhaps Traveller also? Still good entertainment but these days I prefer to be a lurker than a fomenter

          • Gezza

             /  August 25, 2018

            .

          • robertguyton

             /  August 25, 2018

            You’re all Whale Oil refugees?
            I was banned, for life, from Kiwiblog 3 times – do I qualify post here?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  August 25, 2018

              I’m surprised youve managed to rack up three lifetime bans, although you do appear to be a bit of a shit stirrer robert …in a good way of course.
              Anyone who can live like a king on less than $2 a day is okay in my book.

            • lurcher1948

               /  August 25, 2018

              Im BANNED on whalebubber to,righties are such snowflakes

            • robertguyton

               /  August 25, 2018

              It was a breeze, Conspiratoor; I just fomented happy mischief there: therefore, Farrar had to snuff me out 🙂 I came back and back but eventually gave it away as a waste of my time.

            • chrism56

               /  August 26, 2018

              Making stuff up again Robert? I can’t see your name here https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
              though Griff is prominent

            • I don’t recall seeing Robert much if at all at Kiwiblog, but he could have commented under one or more pseudonyms.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  August 25, 2018

            Yes, I think Trav was here then. Thanks Pete for all the interesting issues you’ve raised for us to duel over and to all my friends and enemies here who make life fun. Not to mention my mate Trumpy who never fails to excite all the right people.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 25, 2018

              I have never been on the Standard, Kiwiblog or Whale Blubber.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  August 25, 2018

    Australians speak to there parliamentarians, the clowns running their show
    (CAUTION adult langue)

    • NOEL

       /  August 25, 2018

      You sure the new guy didn’t make that before the vote.
      Seems to be similar to “where the hell are yah”

    • Gezza

       /  August 26, 2018

      Lol. 😀

  3. lurcher1948

     /  August 25, 2018

    If you love crIms,VOTE GOP

    • Corky

       /  August 25, 2018

      [Deleted. Don’t do this or you’ll be back to moderation. PG]

    • Pink David

       /  August 25, 2018

      So the message is clear, better to be corrupt under a Democrat president, you won’t get prosecuted.

      • Griff.

         /  August 26, 2018

        Oh dear
        Create a conspiracy to protect your chosen ideology from reality.
        How right wing of you.

  4. Corky

     /  August 25, 2018

    Oh,dear. Ain’t this the truth. An organisational analogue of Venezuela.😀

    Quote: ”Elon talks about being a socialist and doing good for mankind — unless you work for them,” one source told the New York Post. It’s a s**t show.”

  5. lurcher1948

     /  August 25, 2018

    PG proud of your achievements but you have forgotten about the ball and ALL posters,,becoming just another ECHO CHAMBER, KIWIBLOG 2

  6. PartisanZ

     /  August 25, 2018

    What!? … Matthew Hooton with good things to say about TOP …

    “In fact, a UBI should appeal strongly to the Right.

    The most damaging aspect of the current tax and welfare system is what John Key called “communism by stealth”: the massive effective marginal tax rates (EMTRs) faced by people transitioning from welfare to work, and then as they move higher up the pay scale … High EMTRs have always been a problem but Helen Clark’s Working for Families made them exponentially worse.

    Broadly, a UBI would merge the tax and welfare systems, with tax in dollar terms being a flat percentage of income, less the UBI … In practice, the unemployed and low-income earners would pay negative tax, but the whole population would face a single (hopefully low) marginal rate on every dollar earned … This isn’t new. Richard Nixon proposed a negative income-tax rate. In New Zealand, a UBI is similar to the Guaranteed Minimum Family Income and flat-tax policy announced by David Lange and Roger Douglas in December 1987.

    More recently, National’s Lockwood Smith reported in his valedictory speech that his concerns about EMTRs prompted him to spend seven years in opposition working on a model that completely integrated income tax, benefits and family tax credits … Smith claims it provides for tax-free zones for low-income earners and low EMTRs until a flat top tax rate is reached. He says it worked for all family configurations.

    Smith’s work would have allowed the Key Government to have done something important in office, including reversing “communism by stealth”.

    ‘Matthew Hooton: Fewer tweets, more bold ideas from The Opportunities Party’ – Heraldo

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12112362

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 25, 2018

      It’s fine till you do the numbers and then it proves itself fantasy. Everywhere. Which is why it exists nowhere.

    • PDB

       /  August 25, 2018

      A true UBI does away with the welfare state – no left winger or even TOP for example have ever had that as part of their UBI proposal.

  7. lurcher1948

     /  August 25, 2018

    It still hurts when im abused PG when no one knows me, Corky makes it out as Iif IM AS OLD AS CORKY, Corkys old and im still here ans still running my dogs, A WELLINGTON THING

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 25, 2018

      How old is Corky ? Older than you, I imagine.Too old to run dogs, anyway.

      Don’t let [deleted] get to you, he gets off on upsetting people, I think. He can’t stand being laughed at.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 25, 2018

        Corky has called me a troll many times.

        • And it looks like I’m going to haave to intervene more often. Too much tit for tat that escalates.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 25, 2018

            Alas, when someone is abusive, it’s very hard not to respond to it, especially when it’s personal and uncalled for. It’s not easy to turn the other cheek when one is on the receiving end of gratuitous offensiveness.

            • If you resist getting dragged into it, it makes it easier for me to deal with it.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 26, 2018

              That’s easier said than done when someone is not only being abusive and gratuitously offensive but outright lying. Disagreeing with a viewpoint is one thing, inventing things that one has supposedly said is another. So is being personally insulting and prying into someone’s life, finances and other things like that.

              There’s a limit to how much of that anyone can stand.

            • Corky

               /  August 26, 2018

              ”And it looks like I’m going to have to intervene more often. Too much tit for tat that escalates.”

              The would be appreciated, Pete. You will then find any angst between Kitty and myself becomes a thing of the past. Like Kitty, I find it hard to turn the other cheek when personal and uncalled for insinuations are made.

              Intervention will allow for more proactive comments to remain, while insinuations, along with repetitive accusations, disappear.

            • I prefer to not have to intervene. The responsibility is yours (and Kitty’s and others) to act responsibly.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 26, 2018

              I don’t feel ‘angst’. I do feel annoyance at your personal abuse and assumptions about me and my life. As my comments are made in response 99% of the time…..don’t make offensive and untrue remarks and you won’t be given the predictable response,

  8. Canto I
    BY EZRA POUND

    And then went down to the ship,
    Set keel to breakers, forth on the godly sea, and
    We set up mast and sail on that swart ship,
    Bore sheep aboard her, and our bodies also
    Heavy with weeping, and winds from sternward
    Bore us out onward with bellying canvas,
    Circe’s this craft, the trim-coifed goddess.

  9. sorethumb

     /  August 25, 2018

    Lizzy Marvellous on about burning the flag (and Lucy Clueless).
    Jonathon Haidt says we unite around symbols so all these two bananas are signalling is that they belong to an out group and are giving us bird?

    • sorethumb

       /  August 25, 2018

      Same for taking a knee and tino rangitiratanga flag. You can’t have your cake and eat it.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 25, 2018

        She was whinging today about online criticism and trolling.

        Silly moo.