Shooting at Florida video game tournament in Florida

There has been another mass shooting in the US, this time at a national video game tournament that was being live streamed. Two people have been murdered, and the gunman also killed himself.

Reuters: Multiple fatalities in shooting at video game tournament in Florida: sheriff

There was a mass shooting at a video game tournament that was being streamed online from a restaurant in Jacksonville, Florida, on Sunday, and the local sheriff’s office said there were multiple fatalities.

“Stay far away from the area. The area is not safe,” the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office said on Twitter. “We can’t stress enough to stay away. Many blocks away.”

Local media, citing police sources, said four people were killed and about 10 wounded.

The sheriff’s office said one suspect was dead at the scene and that it was unknown whether there was a second suspect. “Searches are being conducted,” the sheriff’s office said.

The shooting took place at a restaurant at Jacksonville Landing, a waterfront dining, entertainment and shopping site in downtown Jacksonville, according to local media.

The business was livestreaming a tournament for a Madden football video game when several shots rang out, according to video of the stream shared on social media.

This will no doubt reignite debate over gun laws in the US, in a now familiar pattern of outrage, subsidence, another shooting, outrage and so  on with nothing much changing.

This particular attack is also likely to prompt further debate on the possible effects of gaming – which often involves shooting – on people’s attitudes to shooting people for fun, despite this tournament being focussed on football.

The Gun Violence Archive current statistics for 2018:

  • Number of deaths: 9,501
  • Mass shootings: 234

Incidents in 2018

40 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  August 27, 2018

    ”Number of deaths: 9,501
    Mass shootings: 234”

    Population – 330 million people.

    It’s a pity an archive isn’t kept of peoples lives saved by guns. That would again put the above figures in perspective. Even better, the country next to America -Mexico- would just be painted red..no white showing.

    Anyone see something strange about the picture above showing gun incidents across the US?

    • Blazer

       /  August 27, 2018

      Trump territory….hey but watch out for….Muslims!

      • Corky

         /  August 27, 2018

        Anti-gun fever raging again, Blazer? Don’t believe everything Philip Alpers tells you.

      • Corky

         /  August 27, 2018

        Climate,Blazer,climate. Both political; social and weather wise. Maybe Vitamin D supplementation should be mandatory on the East Coast? Liberals put in holding camps for public safety? And immigrant community concentrations controlled more rigorously?

    • Griff.

       /  August 27, 2018

      http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
      Defensive use 1,170
      Unintentional shooting 1,095
      Suicide by gun 22,000 a year.
      You are almost as likely to accidentally shoot someone as to use a gun to defend yourself.
      You are many times more likely to blow your own brains out with your own gun than use it to defend yourself.
      Get a gun corky we like the odds.

      • Corky

         /  August 27, 2018

        ”Defensive use 1,170”

        Well, that figure is crap to start with, Griff. It’s dependant on how you define ”defensive.”

        ”You are many times more likely to blow your own brains out with your own gun than use it to defend yourself.”

        You sure are. Apart from unfortunate innocent victims… it’s a great cull of deadbeats who don’t practice safe gun culture.Don’t always that liberal crap about country hicks not knowing one end of a gun from another.

        ”Get a gun corky we like the odds.”

        A snide uncalled for comment. However, I own two fire arms. I treat them with respect as do most Kiwi hunters, although I’m not a hunter.

        • Corky

           /  August 27, 2018

          * believe*

          • Gezza

             /  August 27, 2018

            What kind of firearms are they Corks?
            What do you use them for if you’re not a hunter?

            • Corky

               /  August 27, 2018

              .22 and and another one. I go to various properties and enjoy target shooting. I will shoot possums and rabbits if they present. But I have no interest in pig and deer hunting.

            • Gezza

               /  August 27, 2018

              Is the other one a .22 too?
              If not, is it a 50 cal sniper’s jobbie or what?

            • Corky

               /  August 27, 2018

              I will just say it’s a BIG gun. Sniper rifles aren’t permitted in New Zealand as far as I know. If they were I would love a Barrett.

              Checkout this good ole boy with an artistic flair. He even uses a drone to film his handywork.

            • Griff.

               /  August 27, 2018

              Gun city .50bmg caliber.Many only require A cat license .
              https://www.guncity.com/firearms?facets=3~00094%7C50%20BMG%7CFirearms
              All would function as a “sniper rifle” whatever that means .
              At ten bucks a round why would you bother?

        • Griff.

           /  August 27, 2018

          In other words when presented with facts Corky just denies them .
          .
          .
          Corky with his [deleted] gun .

          • Corky

             /  August 27, 2018

            Corky with his [deleted] gun 😄

            ”Defensive use 1,170”

            I assume that means presenting and firing a weapon. But what about just drawing a weapon and warning an offender? What about a sign informing a potential offender the property they are about to enter contains firearms?
            What about the ”stand your ground legislation?” All of these in my opinion are firearms used defensively.

            For someone who professes the scientific way, you have a limited mindset, Giff.

            • “But what about just drawing a weapon and warning an offender? What about a sign informing a potential offender the property they are about to enter contains firearms?”

              I have just gone through the process of renewing my firearm licence. It was made absolutely clear that considering using a firearm for defence would result on no licence being issued.

              From the Arms Code:

              Self defence
              Important note: Firearms for self defence

              Self-defence is not a valid reason to possess firearms. The law does not permit the possession of firearms ‘in anticipation’ that a firearm may need to be used in self-defence.

              Citizens are justified in using force in self defence in certain situations. The force that is justified will depend on the circumstances of the particular case. Every person is criminally responsible for any excessive use of force against another person.

              A firearm is a lethal weapon. To justify the discharge of a firearm at another person the user must hold a honest belief that they or someone else is at imminent threat of death or grievous bodily harm.

              Discharge of a firearm at another person will result in a Police investigation and what ever the consequences of the incident
              you may face serious criminal charges.

              Contact your local Citizens Advice Bureau or City or District Council for advice on how to defend yourself. They can advise
              you of self defence courses or groups in your area.

              http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/the-arms-code-2013.pdf

            • “What about a sign informing a potential offender the property they are about to enter contains firearms?”

              That risks being seen as invitation to burglars wanting to steal firearms.

            • Corky

               /  August 27, 2018

              What you have posted there is spot on the money as John Banks found out.

              ”Self-defence is not a valid reason to possess firearms. The law does not permit the possession of firearms ‘in anticipation’
              that a firearm may need to be used in self-defence.”

              That is where you and I probably part company, Pete. I would even settle for people with high risk jobs being able to carry weapons. But that will never happen.

              ”A firearm is a lethal weapon. To justify the discharge of a firearm at another person the user must hold a honest belief that they or someone else is at imminent threat of death or grievous bodily harm.”

              The Police in reality will not countenance the use of a firearm for self defence. If you shoot someone in honest self defence chances are they will still make you go through the justice system.

              The laws around self defence need a major overhaul.

            • Griff.

               /  August 27, 2018

              Yip exactly the same though I had.
              Corky…… Umm arrr umm second one is ummm “another one”.

              Hello corks
              When someone gives a link its better to read the link than to just make up shite .
              The defensive use includes mostly cases were a gun was involved but not fired .

              You are a dreamer if you think guns are anything but a negative when it comes to individual safety.
              More guns means more crims have guns as well.
              It is proven that even with training and foreknowledge of an event very few can use a gun successfully to defend them self’s.

              Science rather than stuff just made up .
              https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

              Gun Threats and Self-Defense Gun Use

              1-3. Guns are not used millions of times each year in self-defense

              We use epidemiological theory to explain why the “false positive” problem for rare events can lead to large overestimates of the incidence of rare diseases or rare phenomena such as self-defense gun use. We then try to validate the claims of many millions of annual self-defense uses against available evidence. We find that the claim of many millions of annual self-defense gun uses by American citizens is invalid.

              Hemenway, David. Survey research and self-defense gun use: An explanation of extreme overestimates. Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology. 1997; 87:1430-1445.

              Hemenway, David. The myth of millions of annual self-defense gun uses: A case study of survey overestimates of rare events. Chance (American Statistical Association). 1997; 10:6-10.

              Cook, Philip J; Ludwig, Jens; Hemenway, David. The gun debate’s new mythical number: How many defensive uses per year? Journal of Policy Analysis and Management. 1997; 16:463-469.

              4. Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal

              We analyzed data from two national random-digit-dial surveys conducted under the auspices of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Criminal court judges who read the self-reported accounts of the purported self-defense gun use rated a majority as being illegal, even assuming that the respondent had a permit to own and to carry a gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly from his own perspective.

              Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah. Gun use in the United States: Results from two national surveys. Injury Prevention. 2000; 6:263-267.

              5. Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense

              Using data from a national random-digit-dial telephone survey conducted under the direction of the Harvard Injury Control Center, we examined the extent and nature of offensive gun use. We found that firearms are used far more often to frighten and intimidate than they are used in self-defense. All reported cases of criminal gun use, as well as many of the so-called self-defense gun uses, appear to be socially undesirable.

              Hemenway, David; Azrael, Deborah. The relative frequency of offensive and defensive gun use: Results of a national survey. Violence and Victims. 2000; 15:257-272.

              6. Guns in the home are used more often to intimidate intimates than to thwart crime

              Using data from a national random-digit-dial telephone survey conducted under the direction of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, we investigated how and when guns are used in the home. We found that guns in the home are used more often to frighten intimates than to thwart crime; other weapons are far more commonly used against intruders than are guns.

              Azrael, Deborah R; Hemenway, David. In the safety of your own home: Results from a national survey of gun use at home. Social Science and Medicine. 2000; 50:285-91.

              7. Adolescents are far more likely to be threatened with a gun than to use one in self-defense

              We analyzed data from a telephone survey of 5,800 California adolescents aged 12-17 years, which asked questions about gun threats against and self-defense gun use by these young people. We found that these young people were far more likely to be threatened with a gun than to use a gun in self-defense, and most of the reported self-defense gun uses were hostile interactions between armed adolescents. Males, smokers, binge drinkers, those who threatened others and whose parents were less likely to know their whereabouts were more likely both to be threatened with a gun and to use a gun in self-defense.

              Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Gun threats against and self-defense gun use by California adolescents. Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine. 2004; 158:395-400.

              8. Criminals who are shot are typically the victims of crime

              Using data from a survey of detainees in a Washington D.C. jail, we worked with a prison physician to investigate the circumstances of gunshot wounds to these criminals.

              We found that one in four of these detainees had been wounded, in events that appear unrelated to their incarceration. Most were shot when they were victims of robberies, assaults and crossfires. Virtually none report being wounded by a “law-abiding citizen.”

              May, John P; Hemenway, David. Oen, Roger; Pitts, Khalid R. When criminals are shot: A survey of Washington DC jail detainees. Medscape General Medicine. 2000; June 28. http://www.medscape.com

              9-10. Few criminals are shot by decent law-abiding citizens

              Using data from surveys of detainees in six jails from around the nation, we worked with a prison physician to determine whether criminals seek hospital medical care when they are shot. Criminals almost always go to the hospital when they are shot. To believe fully the claims of millions of self-defense gun uses each year would mean believing that decent law-abiding citizens shot hundreds of thousands of criminals. But the data from emergency departments belie this claim, unless hundreds of thousands of wounded criminals are afraid to seek medical care. But virtually all criminals who have been shot went to the hospital, and can describe in detail what happened there.

              May, John P; Hemenway, David. Oen, Roger; Pitts, Khalid R. Medical Care Solicitation by Criminals with Gunshot Wound Injuries: A Survey of Washington DC Jail Detainees. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 48:130-132.

              May, John P; Hemenway, David. Do Criminals Go to the Hospital When They are Shot? Injury Prevention. 2002; 8:236-238.

              11. Self-defense gun use is rare and not more effective at preventing injury than other protective actions

              Victims use guns in less than 1% of contact crimes, and women never use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault (in more than 300 cases). Victims using a gun were no less likely to be injured after taking protective action than victims using other forms of protective action. Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.

              This article helps provide accurate information concerning self-defense gun use. It shows that many of the claims about the benefits of gun ownership are largely myths.

              Hemenway D, Solnick SJ. The epidemiology of self-defense gun use: Evidence from the National Crime Victimization Surveys 2007-2011. Preventive Medicine. 2015; 79: 22-27.

            • Corky

               /  August 27, 2018

              ”What about a sign informing a potential offender the property they are about to enter contains firearms?”

              That risks being seen as invitation to burglars wanting to steal firearms.”

              Maybe in New Zealand. In America the burgler knows he may be dicing with death if he wants to try his luck with any property displaying such a sign.

              As one sign below says: ”This house is protected by a gun and the good Lord.” Conservative humour..I think.

              https://www.pinterest.nz/pin/470978073522044123/

            • “Suicide by gun 22,000 a year” is far from humorous.

            • Corky

               /  August 27, 2018

              I prefer people who think for themselves, Giff. People who don’t need to cut and paste screeds of official looking reports to bolster what is really a paucity of any brain effort on the part of the poster.

              What you failed to mention is these studies you posted are contested.

              So in such situations we need to come back to thinking for ourselves. You
              can’t.

              https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/defensive-gun-ownership-gary-kleck-response-115082

            • Corky

               /  August 27, 2018

              “Suicide by gun 22,000 a year” is far from humorous.”

              Suicide is never humorous..more so for those left behind. However, guns have nothing to do with suicide.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 27, 2018

              A Florida study showed that you were far more likely to be shot by a burglar who reached your gun before you did than you were to shoot the burglar.I can’t remember if any burglars were shot at all.

              It stands to reason that someone woken by a burglar will be in a state of shock and terror, not to mention not being with it because they’re half asleep, The burglar is wide awake, full of bad intent and will probably have fewer qualms about shooting someone. They see someone going for the drawer in the bedside table and get there first.

            • Corky

               /  August 27, 2018

              That can happen, especially if you aren’t trained properly…even if you are trained. But:

              Show that study to someone with a gun and they will tell you to F off, you don’t know what you talking about.

              Why would that be? Well, what you miss is they know a gun is no guarantee of safety..but it gives them a fighting chance. A chance you don’t get in NZ. Besides, you are not taking into account someone who has a gun for home protection also likely has a house security system.

          • robertguyton

             /  August 27, 2018

            That’s a corker of a gun!!

            • Corky

               /  August 27, 2018

              It’s a great rifle, Rob. But the Barrett would have too much recoil for you.
              It’s a mans gun.

            • Corky

               /  August 27, 2018

              * rifle*

    • PartisanZ

       /  August 27, 2018

      Let me get this straight … An archive of the number of people’s lives saved by guns – perhaps including the fatal shooting of criminals by police – would put into “perspective” – or make more understandable or comprehensible (or something) – the fact that on Day 238 of Year 2018 there have been 234 mass shootings in the USA … ?

      How does that work?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  August 27, 2018

        On Planet Cork it does.

        • robertguyton

           /  August 27, 2018

          Planet Cork? Tell us about life there, Kitty: rules and regs: any?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 27, 2018

            It’s very small, only room for one person. You don’t want to go there.

          • Corky

             /  August 27, 2018

            Things must be bad if they have to call a chap in who believes Roundup and glyphosate are different. You are the real Robert Guyton….horticulturalist and Greenie?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  August 27, 2018

            It’s famed for its ‘lunar sea’, or so I hear.

      • Corky

         /  August 27, 2018

        It puts the situation into context in a land of 330 million people..with how many guns? Oh, you mean the body count they wouldn’t have without guns. Well, America, with or without guns is a violent place. In reality your question is rhetorical. Guns will always be part of the American way…unless the government decides to crack down. Good luck with that. The people can fight back.

        However, things are better in Britain. Just as well they don’t have guns:

        https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089

  2. Blazer

     /  August 27, 2018

    guns don’t kill people….bullets ..do.

  3. sorethumb

     /  August 27, 2018

    The gun culture has gone too far: people can be their own army; liberals have promoted a society with no common interests and ignored the bigger picture where life at the top is not life at the bottom.

    • PartisanZ

       /  August 27, 2018

      Oh yeah … Gun ownership, the ‘right to bear arms’ and all that stuff is like totally a Left-Wing, radical, liberal phenomenon …

  4. I don’t know what the motive was, but…

    • The gunman who opened fire during a Madden 19 NFL tournamentat a restaurant in Jacksonville, Florida, on Sunday afternoon, killing two people before turning the gun on himself, has been described by witnesses and people who knew him as a gamer who erupted in anger after losing the event.

    • sorethumb

       /  August 27, 2018

      He’s the exception that proves the rule.