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  1. lurcher1948

     /  August 29, 2018

    So the National party is the party against free speech,never saw that…coming

    • Corky

       /  August 29, 2018

      National Party..free speech..what are you on about, Lurchy?

      • lurcher1948

         /  August 29, 2018

        Chelsea Manning

        • Corky

           /  August 29, 2018

          Well, the report I heard was National was objecting to Manning entering NZ because of her criminal conviction?

          If she was an average person with similar convictions, do you think she would make it into NZ?

          • Gezza

             /  August 29, 2018

            I’m sure we’d welcome Mr Assange.

          • lurcher1948

             /  August 29, 2018

            Nelson Mandela made it in and he was a convicted terrorist

            • Corky

               /  August 29, 2018

              Nelson Mandela was a blackman imprisoned by the evil Whitey. Nelson Mandela could do no wrong. Hell, he could have asked for, and received, a NZ pension.

              But you Obfuscate. The answer is no average person would make it into NZ with her conviction(s)..in my opinion.

            • Gezza

               /  August 29, 2018

              No average person is likely to ever even GET her convictions.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_charges_in_United_States_v._Manning

              Manning was acquitted of aiding the enemy by knowingly giving out intelligence through indirect means, and was convicted of 19 of the 21 or 22 specified charges, including theft and six counts of espionage.

            • Corky

               /  August 29, 2018

              That would be a good rap sheet to have her barred from New Zealand.
              I think one criteria our immigration works on is what prison sentence convictions would attract. Anything over 2-3 years is a negative.

            • Gezza

               /  August 29, 2018

              Tbh, I would shed no tears over Ms Manning being denied a visa. Her actions were arguably traitorous & certainly in serious breach of her oath, potentially dangerous to others in the hands of Assange & she must accept there are serious consequences for that.

              She was granted a commutation of sentence. Her crimes are not expunged.

              A consequence of those crimes is that she has convictions that make her ineligible to enter some countries. If I were in INZ or the Minister of Immigration. I would refuse an exemption.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 29, 2018

              We covered the sentence thing yesterday, so Corky is a bit (?) behind the times. The criterion of the length of the sentence was discussed at length, it’s 5 years.

              The question of its being freedom of speech vs. no entry for people who have done that sort of time was also well covered.

          • lurcher1948

             /  August 29, 2018

            The dirty secrets the USA wanted hidden
            [video src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/6/61/CollateralMurder.ogv/CollateralMurder.ogv.360p.vp9.webm" /]

            • lurcher1948

               /  August 29, 2018

              This should work,the dirty USA secrets exposed

            • Corky

               /  August 29, 2018

              If she had reservations about US foreign policy, she should not have joined the military. When you join the military you sign an oath of allegiance. Doesn’t say much about her moral character does it. You must remember all countries are corrupt. It’s just America has the means to be more corrupt..in SOME cases.

            • Blazer

               /  August 29, 2018

              killing unarmed people=collateral damage..Iraq invasion o.k with you Corky…damn learn em about freedom and democracy.

            • Corky

               /  August 29, 2018

              Read my above post.

  2. Corky

     /  August 29, 2018

    Get down. Boogie Oggie Oggie.

  3. Gezza

     /  August 29, 2018

    Jenna Lynch tv3’s political reporter just told Duncan Garner on the AM Show that she doesn’t know who the leaker is, but that we are paying for Simon’s PWC/Simpson Grierson witch hunt investigation: it’s coming out of the leader’s budget.

  4. Corky

     /  August 29, 2018

    A judge used this term in my area.

    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/entertainment/sydney-radio-host-alan-jones-dropped-the-n-word-live-on-air/

    The best summation of the Turnbull saga came from Alan Jones ( ex Aussie coach) while he was over here to watch the footy. Turnball, I learned, was a ruthless politician who had knifed many opponents on his way to the top. Jones also said the world and even the Australian government didn’t realise how bad the drought is in Aussie was. Farmers are shooting stock.
    Farmer suicide is now a common occurrence. I think he said parts of Aussie were into their seventh year of drought.

    • Gezza

       /  August 29, 2018

      A judge used this term in my area.

      Seem most unlikely. What evidence can you provide?

      • Corky

         /  August 29, 2018

        About tens years ago. It made the local paper. It would be in theIR archives. His exact words were: ” you acted like a niggar in the reeds.” The good judge was lucky ten years ago was just the dawning of social media. He wouldn’t have survived in to days climate.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 29, 2018

          Make that 20+ years ago. Facebook has been in existence since the 90s and other things were around some time before that.

          What on earth does ‘a nigger (note spelling) in the reeds’ mean ?

          • Corky

             /  August 29, 2018

            ”Make that 20+ years ago. Facebook has been in existence since the 90s ”

            That is incorrect.

            ”Other things were around some time before that.”

            Yes, there were,but they were mainly for nerds who actually knew how to start a computer. Don’t forget, until Windows, everything was worked off a DOS prompt. Windows allows an icon to start the DOS command, thus making it easy to use for average people with no interest in computers.

            What on earth does ‘a nigger (note spelling) in the reeds’ mean ?

            I don’t know. Niggar is an update on the word Nigger. Please keep up with the times.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 29, 2018

              Niggar is no such thing, that’s nonsense. You may be thinking of niggard or niggardly, which have nothing to do with the etymology of nigger which is from the Latin niger, black. They are from Icelandic.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 29, 2018

              Windows was launched in 1985, according to Microsoft, They may be wrong and you right, but I doubt it.

              Wikipedia made it sound as if Facebook began in the 90s, as it mentioned it and another one together as beginning in the 1990s.

              Niggardly means stingy or miserly, it doesn’t mean black.

            • Corky

               /  August 29, 2018

              ”Niggar is no such thing, that’s nonsense.”

              https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=niggar

              Ditch Wikipedia. Facebook started in 2004.

  5. Pickled Possum

     /  August 29, 2018

    1 man took Monsanto to court for allegedly causing his cancer and WON!!…
    Monsanto was ordered to pay $289 million dollars …
    There is now 8thousand plus people lining up to take Monsanto to trial.

    Bayer said they are shocked! they didn’t see that coming,
    Bayer said they had done due diligence before buying Monsanto.
    Bayer lost Billions of dollars on the share market 24 hours after the ruling.
    US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) was found to be in cohorts with Monsanto.

    Internal emails bought them all down in the end.
    They have been accused of hiding the truth and lying in their science.
    Glyphosate has been found to be carcinogenic and
    mixed with more toxic chemicals in the Round-Up mix is even more toxic and
    dangerous to humans.

    Use at your peril … https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45152546

    Nz uses toxic chemicals on our whenua with blind ignorance
    Ban Round up in NZ ! … How many more people need to die!

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rural/2018/08/nz-should-ban-roundup-weed-killer-expert.html

    • Corky

       /  August 29, 2018

      Aye,Cuz. All our whanunga sucking this crap up from the food and earth surrounding our hangis. Colonialism at its worst.

      • Gezza

         /  August 29, 2018

        *Ae

      • Pickled Possum

         /  August 29, 2018

        ” Colonialism at its worst” Corky says.

        No Corky it’s the other ‘C’ words
        Capitalism Corporatism Cupidity and the ‘G’ word;
        Greed … the self-serving desire for the pursuit of money, wealth, power or possessions, especially when this denies the same goods to others. It is generally considered a vice
        and is one of the seven deadly sins in Catholicism.

        If you wish to remove avarice you must remove its mother, luxury. ~ Cicero

        There are some sordid minds, formed of slime and filth, to whom interest and gain are what glory and virtue are to superior souls. ~ Jean de La Bruyère

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 29, 2018

          Millions of people use weedspray with no ill-effects.

          • Pickled Possum

             /  August 29, 2018

            proof please miss … or you’re just repeating propaganda.
            Do millions use round-up? or glyphosate?
            Some people just use salt.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 29, 2018

              It’s not propoganda; it’s a fact. It’s the most common herbicide in the world.

              Its active ingredient is glyphosphate.

              Salt leeches into the ground and waterways, so it’s not a good idea to use this, either. It is an age-old way of poisoning the soil.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 29, 2018

              Don’t use salt on a lawn unless you want bald patches forever.It may be all right for paths and drives, but not for lawn weeds….I just mow them, I see no point in making work for myself.

            • Griff.

               /  August 29, 2018

              Estimated global use of glyphosate 8.6 billion kilograms.
              The guy who won the court case was a greens keeper who had used it every day for four decades.
              Use glyphosate sparingly and with reasonable care you have a very small chance of any ill effect in a life time.

              I have over 1/2 an acre of gardens
              Without glyphosate it would not be possible to have such a large garden without spending a huge amount of time weeding.

              Salt use sterilizes the soil.
              Salt buildup over time is a major problem for irrigated land.

              Earth’s Soil Is Getting Too Salty for Crops to Grow
              Buildup of salts on irrigated land has already degraded an area the size of France and is causing $27.3 billion annually in lost crops

              Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/earths-soil-getting-too-salty-crops-grow-180953163/#3sPbJ2tOsoxkMS6Y.99

  6. David

     /  August 29, 2018

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6106613/South-Africa-withdraws-white-farmland-redistribution-bill-Trump-tweet.html

    Step back from the ANC after Trumps tweet, widely condemned as usual, lets hope they start to see there are better ways of sorting the total mismanagement of South Africa under the ANC.

  7. lurcher1948

     /  August 29, 2018

    PG is running a very civilized blog today,over on a nearby rightwing blog they are running a post on Chelsea Manning and it concerns me that some people carry so much hatred,said really

    • Corky

       /  August 29, 2018

      I know the feeling, Lurchy. The anti Trump brigade can be very nasty people. 😄

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 29, 2018

      How much did she earn per minute, Lurch?

  8. Corky

     /  August 29, 2018

    Honest Kiwis. No chance of self defence. They must accept their lumps like good citizens.
    Let’s not foget fuckwit governments hiking tax on what is a workers and beneficiaries perk. And from which demographic do robbers come from?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/106645737/worker-held-at-gunpoint-at-horotiu-dairy

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  August 29, 2018

      Must you say that every time you make a post about an armed robbery ? It’s tired and old.

      I fail to see how these people (shopkeepers) deserve this or should accept it as a just punishment and consequence of their own actions.

      If you mean tobacco, it can hardly be called a perk. A perk (from perquisite) is something that goes with a particular job, like a staff discount. Nobody is given cigarettes as a perk; certainly not beneficiaries !

      • lurcher1948

         /  August 29, 2018

        You tell him of,Kitty..

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 30, 2018

          I don’t know why I bother. He is both conceited and thin-skinned and cannot bear to think that other people know more than he does or that they might be right. Anyone who challenges his inflated opinion of himself must be put down. As it seems that he has to put other people down anyway, to bolster his own ego, there’s probably not much hope for the poor creature. He really deserves our pity, I suppose ! :-/

      • Corky

         /  August 29, 2018

        ”Must you say that every time you make a post about an armed robbery ? It’s tired and old.”

        Please feel free not to read what I write.

        ”I fail to see how these people (shopkeepers) deserve this or should accept it as a just punishment and consequence of their own actions.”

        I agree.

        ”If you mean tobacco, it can hardly be called a perk. A perk (from perquisite) is something that goes with a particular job.”

        Correct. The drudgery of poorly paid Labour. A life of servitude with little chance of advancement. When you can’t afford good things in life, smokes, drugs and booze are your perks.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  August 29, 2018

          You seem not to realise that these are not perks, they are expensive luxuries. If people can afford those, they can’t be called poor. Look at the price of them.

          More absurdity. If they are perks, who provides them ? Which job has drink, smoking and drugs as a perk of the job ?

          If you agree that the ‘lumps’ statement was wrong, why did you say it ?

          • Corky

             /  August 29, 2018

            ”You seem not to realise that these are not perks, they are expensive luxuries. If people can afford those, they can’t be called poor. Look at the price of them.”

            Not to the poor they aren’t. Why do you think other areas of their lives sufferer?
            The kids, bills and food. Surely even you aren’t that naive?

            ”More absurdity. If they are perks, who provides them ? Which job has drink, smoking and drugs as a perk of the job ?”

            WINZ..spend your money on perks…than get a hardship grant. Where have you been for the last 3O years?

            ”If you agree that the ‘lumps’ statement was wrong, why did you say it ?”

            I was being sarcastic…and also showing how your statement could be looked upon from a different angle to support my case.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 29, 2018

              Backpedalling again to try to talk your way out of something; it wears a bit thin.

              Where have you been living, that you don’t know what a perk is ? It’s short for perquisite, and is something over and above the wages or salary in a workplace.

              In other words, a perk is something given by an employer. It is not something people buy for themselves.

              It’s cheap or free travel, staff discounts and that sort of thing.

              It’s an old and common term, I thought that even you would know it,

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  August 29, 2018

              Look the word up if you can’t accept that I know what a perk is.

  9. Pickled Possum

     /  August 29, 2018

    Auckland Council consent woes: 430 property owners forced to reapply
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12115565

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  August 29, 2018

      More utter crap from the Resource Consent industry. And the halfwits wonder why building is expensive.

  10. lurcher1948

     /  August 29, 2018

    I love free speech and the ability to post other people views of free speech
    “By saying that this disgusting traitorous thing shouldn’t be allowed into NZ he has displayed exactly the same lack of respect for free speech that caused the Molyneux/Southern and Brash debacles”
    and the National party wants to stop it in case it upsets one of our masters the USA.

  11. lurcher1948

     /  August 29, 2018

    And think these hand wringing wimps(National voters) employ hard working New Zealanders,I think i have worked out why NZ is a low wage high expense country,
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/08/small_businesses_unimpressed.html

  12. lurcher1948

     /  August 29, 2018

    The feral right would support this deplorable…HE WOULD VOTE NATIONAL
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-daniel-carothers_us_5b857e4ee4b0cf7b002f89ca

  13. High Flying Duck

     /  August 29, 2018

  14. lurcher1948

     /  August 29, 2018

    LETS start again ,small business is misunderstood we should ALL hold their hands and whine along with them, Michael Woodhouse was unlucky to get caught drunk driving, and hating gays is all right and hell if a whitey burns a black to death WHATS THE PROBLEM…

  15. lurcher1948

     /  August 29, 2018

    WAIT WAIT where is the free speech coalition, Chris Trotter from the left is SO quiet wait Chelsea Manning isnt a hard done by NAZI and they dont need to raise more funds from the sucker right so free speech is great if you are an altrightwing NAZI but piss off Chelsea, cheers Cris

  16. robertguyton

     /  August 29, 2018

    David Farrar:
    “I’m actually agreeing with Ghahraman on this one.”
    Suck on that, you Golriz-haters!

    • High Flying Duck

       /  August 29, 2018

      Stopped clock etc etc.
      Ghahraman is a hypocrite in this one.

      • robertguyton

         /  August 29, 2018

        You contradict Farrar’s claim?
        You’re excommunicated, HFD!

  17. lurcher1948

     /  August 29, 2018

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