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  1. Corky

     /  September 1, 2018

    Why do these inventors always die.? Is it a conspiracy? Or do inventors of weird stuff just die younger than the rest of us.

    I have actually seen a real working cloud buster shown in this clip. In fact I have made a scale model( anyone can make one). Only had to use it once. It can be a dangerous machine because you have no control over the results.

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    • NOEL

       /  September 1, 2018

      Probably when trying to make money claming something works when it doesn’t could raise you blood pressure enough for a blood clot.
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell

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      • Corky

         /  September 1, 2018

        Well, you make a good point. Pity few take these things are taken seriously enough to put them to the test. Quoting from Wiki on topics like these is a waste of time. People edit the articles . As I said, I have actually made a cloud buster. Perennial skepticism never moves mankind forward.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 1, 2018

          If cloudbusters work, why are there still droughts ?

          Where did you see one ? Why don’t you use yours to end droughts here ?

          If Starlite works for any length of time, why wasn’t it used ?

          If the first thing worked, why did the inventor turn down a billion dollars ? Why did he let the patent lapse ?

          B Sc means Bachelor of Science, but these ‘inventors’ are B Scs as in Bullshit Conmen.

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          • Corky

             /  September 1, 2018

            ”If cloudbusters work, why are there still droughts ?”

            A very very good question. I will let you tell me.

            Where did you see one ?

            I first saw a picture of the one I observed ( an exact copy of Reichs) in the defunct Hawke’s Bay Herald Tribune. The accompanying story, as is usual, on such topics was full of inaccuracies. Efforts to explain to the reporter his errors, fell on deaf ears. Apparently, I was the third nutter to call him that day regarding his poor journalism on that story..so I copped an earful.

            I saw the actual device at a service station in Waipukurau. Unfortunately, the owner(?) had a small audience around him and the device so I didn’t get to talk to him. I did hear him say to someone the original BX cable was hard to come by, so some other type was used ( mine uses Greenfield cable) on his model.

            ”If Starlite works for any length of time, why wasn’t it used ?”

            I know nothing about Starlite, so I cannot comment until I research it. I will start at KEELYNET.

            ”If the first thing worked, why did the inventor turn down a billion dollars ? Why did he let the patent lapse ?”

            I don’t know. Perhaps it was a hoax. Perhaps he thought he could get more money and some shelias added to the deal. Perhaps, in the end, he was like the owner of a Mk4 Zodiac I tried to acquire…. the owner told me it wasn’t for sale and could I close the gate on the way out. How the hell would I know?

            ”B Sc means Bachelor of Science, but these ‘inventors’ are B Scs as in Bullshit Conmen.”

            I’m sorry you feel that way. Thankgod there are scientists who will always be willing to explore, and who will accept all odium that comes their way whether they turn out to be right or wrong.

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    • Griff.

       /  September 1, 2018

      Not an inventor Corky he is a crank.
      I know you dont know the difference.
      The rest of us do .
      Perpetual Motion can not work.
      Such notions contravene the laws of physics that operate in our universe.

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      • Corky

         /  September 1, 2018

        Science 101 with Griff.

        ”Perpetual Motion can not work.
        Such notions contravene the laws of physics that operate in our universe.”

        Case solved. Lets’s move on. Maybe a well paid tenure. Teach another class of bright young things how the science process works.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 1, 2018

          No one person could do that, it’s a vast topc.

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          • Corky

             /  September 1, 2018

            What’s a vast topic? What are you on about now?

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 1, 2018

              Science, of course, what you were talking about. Have you forgotten so soon that you said that about teaching about how the science process works ? Or do you not know that science covers many things and could never be taught by one person in their lifetime ?

              Surely you know how many branches of science there are. Even at school, I learned several of them.

            • Corky

               /  September 1, 2018

              Sadly, Kitty, to be honest, I sometimes don’t have a clue as to what you are on about. I unfortunately assume ( wrongly) you have a basic understanding of the things I talk of, given you comment on them.

              As the above has shown, you bale out with easy cliche’s.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 1, 2018

              I cannot be held responsible for the fact that you are unaware that there are many branches of science and have such a short memory that you forget something five minutes after you write it.You suggest that classes in ‘science’ be taught to ‘bright young things’ and then wonder what this means, Er….you said it.

              Science encompasses physics, chemistry and other branches. Even at school we knew that, You are the one who has no basic understanding of things about which you lay down the law.

              There are none of what you call ‘cliche’s’ in the post to which you refer. Are you sure that you know what they are ? I know that you use them, but that’s not the same thing.

              If there are. what are they ?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 1, 2018

            My grandmother was a university lecturer in applied science and engineering. .

            I am, of course, prepared to accept genuine science but not nonsensical things that are proven.frauds.Perpetual motion is opposed to the laws of thermodynamics and can never happen.

            I don’t believe that Nordic looking aliens who speak 100 languages or other aliens with skin that looks exactly like the foil that silver party balloons are made of have landed on Earth. There may well be life on other planets, I keep an open mind, but one would have to be very gullible to think that the beings there had foil skin or spoke perfect English and 99 other languages.

            No wonder the unlucky reporter was fed up, if one nutter after another rang up. Who knows how many more decided to do so ? He must have wished that he hadn’t said anything or had not put his name on the article.

            If the cloudbusters worked as claimed, it’s damned selfish of the makers to allow people, animals and crops to die from lack of water when these devices could prevent this from happening.

            You have made so many far-fetched claims that one becomes a little (?) sceptical.

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            • Corky

               /  September 1, 2018

              ”No wonder the unlucky reporter was fed up, if one nutter after another rang up. Who knows how many more decided to do so ? He must have wished that he hadn’t said anything or had not put his name on the article.”

              So in your own words…how do you know the Cloudbuster is quack science? You haven’t built one like me. That means…you rely on the opinions of others. Others who don’t have the slightest interest in a Cloud Buster, or whether it works or not. Such things aren’t part of their reality.

              ”If the cloudbusters worked as claimed, it’s damned selfish of the makers to allow people, animals and crops to die from lack of water when these devices could prevent this from happening.”

              If you aren’t invited, you don’t go. I have often thought the same thing. My guess is people who have Cloud Busters know the reaction they would get from people like you. So, fuck it, we will keep this technology for our own use. Another problem could be Cloud Busters need running water of some type to work. That could be a logistics problem in dry areas.

              ”You have made so many far-fetched claims that one becomes a little (?) sceptical.”

              And you have made so many empty rebuttals that I only answer you to try and improve my typing speed. Honestly, I don’t take you seriously. But you keep me on task.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 1, 2018

              If I could save lives by offering my services, I would. If I saw someone having a heart attack, I wouldn’t wait to be asked, I’d phone for an ambulance.

              Which empty rebuttals have I made ?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 1, 2018

              The cloudbusters have been thoroughly debunked as pseudoscience.They don’t work. They are a fraud. They are like the machines that vibrate and cure cancer when they are applied to the hands and feet.

              If they did work, there would be no droughts; people would be making them and saving millions of lives. No government would allow people, animals and plants to die if they could build these machines and prevent this.

              If they did work and the owners knew this but didn’t offer their services, they would be the most selfish, callous hounds imaginable.

              Why bother to make and have them if you’re not going to use them ? There’s no sense in it.

            • Corky

               /  September 1, 2018

              ”The cloudbusters have been thoroughly debunked as pseudoscience.They don’t work. They are a fraud. ”

              That’s crap. What first hand experience do you have? None. Were do you get your information from? Someone else. Before I mentioned a Cloud Buster what did you know about them? Nothing. Have you built one? No.
              Are you an expert? Yes.😄😄😄

              ”Which empty rebuttals have I made ?”

              See above.

              ”Why bother to make and have them if you’re not going to use them ? There’s no sense in it.”

              You obviously haven’t read my above comments. So that means you are trolling again. To refresh your memory:

              ”If you aren’t invited, you don’t go. I have often thought the same thing. My guess is people who have Cloud Busters know the reaction they would get from people like you. So, fuck it, we will keep this technology for our own use. Another problem could be Cloud Busters need running water of some type to work. That could be a logistics problem in dry areas.”

              Yo

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 1, 2018

              In other words, you can only answer with obscenities and name-calling. Neither is an answer.

              If there’s water there already. why do you need a cloudbuster ? How do you keep the technology for yourselves ? A small, local rainfall that only falls on your place ?

              Obscenities and namecalling (TROLL is meaningless in this context) is hardly an informed or informative answer.

              Calling people trolls is unacceptable here, as you seem to have forgotten.
              C

            • Corky

               /  September 1, 2018

              ps..you haven’t asked the obvious question. Why haven’t I used mine to help in drought situation?

            • Corky

               /  September 1, 2018

              ”In other words, you can only answer with obscenities and name-calling. Neither is an answer.”

              Yes, I’m calling you out. I answer your questions reasonably and you either ask the same question again, or word it differently. You have no interest in a debate. And stop playing to Pete.

            • Corky

               /  September 1, 2018

              The ”yo” was an error.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 1, 2018

              One of many.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 1, 2018

              I don’t believe that you have one, I do believe the many people who have said that they are pseudoscience, I don’t need to build one to know that they don’t work and I had heard of them (and the fact that they were useless) before. I wouldn’t waste time and money on something like that.

              I asked why you’d have one and not use it.

              I asked why people would not use them to save lives and was answered with a silly answer and an obscenity, followed by being called a troll.

            • Corky

               /  September 1, 2018

              Kitty Catkin / September 1, 2018
              One of many.

              That’s the nonsense I’m talking about.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 1, 2018

              I agree that you talk nonsense, and it’s a good sign that you admit it.

              Now go and do something…anything….that’s not harassing me.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 1, 2018

              ‘One of many’….errors is understood in this context.

              It’s a standard usage as an answer to a previous statement or question.

              ‘You’ve seen Wagner’s operas.’
              ‘Some of them.’

              This can only mean ‘some of Wagner’s operas.’

            • Corky

               /  September 1, 2018

              ”I don’t believe that you have one.”

              It’s basically just pipes connected to water by Greenfield cables. That’s it.
              It doesn’t have to be on wheels. It can be scaled to suit a situation. Of course, smaller less powerful. Some people just have a small model to use in the vicinity of their house.

              You can use a similar thing in your home to remove stale energy, ghosts or just plain bad atmospheres.

              Just have a bucket in you laundry filled with water that is gently overflowing. Run cables from the bucket to the area to be cleared. Leave for five hours. Feel the difference. But do not stay in the room being treated. Otherwise this pseudo science device can make you very ill.
              It cost me twenty years of illness before I recovered. Hence my interest in supplements to heal myself.

              Notice a theme here? I provide information. You provide vagaries and other peoples opinions.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 2, 2018

              The theme I notice is that the information you provide is at best unproveable, at worst debunked.

              Of course I quote real scientists’ opinions about pseudoscience and things that have been proved to be frauds, I’d quote doctors about fraudulent medical claims like apricot kernels curing cancer and diseases like measles building good immune systems.

              Your cures seem to have been singularly ineffective if it took 20 years for them to work

              If the cloudbuster makes it rain, why doesn’t it flood the house ?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 2, 2018

              I find it hard to believe that you think that you are capable of a debate. You sidestep or ignore awkward questions. When you are asked for examples of things that you accuse me of, and that don’t exist, you ignore them or respond with abuse.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 2, 2018

              Don’t forget to put the bucket on the floor with a hose going in to keep it overflowing, and make sure that the cables’ wires are exposed for extra energy when they come into contact with the water.

              😀 😀 😀

  2. lurcher1948

     /  September 1, 2018

    I have noticed anyone with a wacko idea that can threaten the status quo meets an untimely end

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  September 1, 2018

    Poor old Donald Trump,gas build up can be a killer…let it go Donald Trump what could go wrong
    https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5b88e5e82000007e0937af90.jpeg?cache=yells6ybdj&ops=scalefit_720_noupscale

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  September 1, 2018

    As Billy Connally said”never trust a fart over 65″i live by that rule

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  5. robertguyton

     /  September 1, 2018

    On Dunne and synthetic drugs

    “And then, because it was already on the market, the National government through their shill Dunne made it legal with some really atrocious legislation that didn’t even pause long enough to properly test it to see if it was as harmless as the dealers said it was. Another instance of the government listening to business over the public and even simple logic.And then, because it was already on the market, the National government through their shill Dunne made it legal with some really atrocious legislation that didn’t even pause long enough to properly test it to see if it was as harmless as the dealers said it was. Another instance of the government listening to business over the public and even simple logic.”
    TS

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    • That’s ignorant of how things happened.

      The legislation was far from perfect but at least it provided a path from impossible to keep up with new variant drugs avoiding the law to some degree of safety testing. The approach attracted world wide interest.

      It failed because media took to sensationalising problems, forcing National to wimp out and change direction.

      The result has been tragic, literally, with many deaths due to no controls over the black market release of dangerous, untested concoctions.

      And what has the current Government done to fix things? Bugger all as far as I’m aware.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  September 1, 2018

    I know i upset PG who sighs when i post, but he lives in the pig islands(Dunedin i think)I like the scotch shop and yes they are not as tough as US idiots who live in the capital WELLINGTON because we kick arse

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    • Gezza

       /  September 1, 2018

      I love Marley. I spotted a triple CD combo of 40 Marley songs in a Specials Bin in a CD store once & bought it thinking this will be great to listen to. And it wasn’t. I think there was ONE song on it that was halfway decent, and I never heard it on any of his other albums. All the others were just rubbish, not even particularly rhythmic, memorable, or tuneful. I threw it out in the end because I knew I’d never listen to it again.

      But it was interesting from the point of view that it showed just how much time he had put into carrying on refining & crafting his talent to the point where he became the undisputed Reggae Master, together with The Wailers, and could just about sing it in his sleep & it would come out perfect.

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  7. PartisanZ

     /  September 1, 2018

    Front page of the Northern Advocate today is the government’s unveiling yesterday of its National Land Transport Plan 2018 – 2021 (NLTP), with commentary from John Bain, Transport Committee Chairman for NRC, saying they welcome $460 million being spent in the region but deplore and are disappointed by the lack of 4 laning SH1 first to the Port roundabout and then on to Kaiwaka …

    This presumably is the ludicrous idea of RoNS simultaneously starting at the Whangarei end to eventually join up with 4 laned SH1 as it progresses North through Warkworth, Wellsford, Te Hana and on to Kaiwaka … an even more absurd idea than 4 lanes ever going beyond Warkworth … let alone Wellsford …

    It’s all couched in terms of safety … which the same John Bain and various National politicians have also used to decry the flexible plastic median barriers being trialed at one especially nasty ‘black spot’ …. Turns out there hasn’t been an accident at that black spot since the plastic posts were installed … Go figure!

    But it isn’t about safety, its about satisfying the insatiable demands of the trucking lobby – the same kind of cronyism as Winston’s racing antics – despite the fact that Northland has had six logging truck crashes this year … reported a day or two ago in the Advocate … with Bain commenting yet again, this time sensibly saying the logging industry must take note …

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm c_id=1503450&objectid=12115773

    Several million bucks in the NLTP are earmarked for investigating the viability of increased use of rail for freight movement … 👌

    Despite it being a National LTP 2018 – 2021 I couldn’t find a single word about it in the NZHeraldo this morning … ✌😎

    🤔 You’d think every region including Auckland would have an interest in this, not only the two electorates offered the most expensive Pork Barrel election bribe in NZ’s political history …?

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