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  1. Gezza

     /  September 3, 2018

    It’s pouring outside in North Welly. Again!
    It’s not good enough! 😡
    I pay my taxes … >:D

    • Griff.

       /  September 3, 2018

      I will sell you one of corkys cloud busters .
      Only $2000 dollars .
      Cash only thanks .
      https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cloudbusting

      • Corky

         /  September 3, 2018

        That clouldbuster shown on that page is new age nonsense. The page is called Rational Wiki. That stinks of professional skeptics who are as nutty as New Agers.

        However, what do you expect from nuts who rely on accepted science as the arbiter of all things known to man. Nuts who have never made or used such a device?

        I was going torture you today with the scientists who’ve proven Einsteins theories wrong, or parts of it at least. Bet you didn’t know Einstein was wrong when you did a quick Google lookup regarding Einsteins famous equitation, eh, Griff.( scurries away for another search.)

        Ah, I’m feeling in a good mood today. I’ll give you a free pass.

        ps- to be fair to RW they did caption the shown device with the word ”modern.” However, that proves they have no idea about this subject.

        • Griff.

           /  September 3, 2018

          It seemed that in one of my innumerable essays, I had expressed a certain gladness at living in a century in which we finally got the basis of the universe straight.

          I didn’t go into detail in the matter, but what I meant was that we now know the basic rules governing the universe, together with the gravitational interrelationships of its gross components, as shown in the theory of relativity worked out between 1905 and 1916. We also know the basic rules governing the subatomic particles and their interrelationships, since these are very neatly described by the quantum theory worked out between 1900 and 1930. What’s more, we have found that the galaxies and clusters of galaxies are the basic units of the physical universe, as discovered between 1920 and 1930.

          These are all twentieth-century discoveries, you see.

          The young specialist in English Lit, having quoted me, went on to lecture me severely on the fact that in every century people have thought they understood the universe at last, and in every century they were proved to be wrong. It follows that the one thing we can say about our modern “knowledge” is that it is wrong. The young man then quoted with approval what Socrates had said on learning that the Delphic oracle had proclaimed him the wisest man in Greece. “If I am the wisest man,” said Socrates, “it is because I alone know that I know nothing.” the implication was that I was very foolish because I was under the impression I knew a great deal.

          My answer to him was, “John, when people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together.”

          The basic trouble, you see, is that people think that “right” and “wrong” are absolute; that everything that isn’t perfectly and completely right is totally and equally wrong.

          However, I don’t think that’s so. It seems to me that right and wrong are fuzzy concepts, and I will devote this essay to an explanation of why I think so.

          The Relativity of Wrong
          By Isaac Asimov
          https://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

          • Corky

             /  September 3, 2018

            In your own words condense what has been said in that insightful introspection.

            • Griff.

               /  September 3, 2018

              In my own words .
              FO you crank.

            • Corky

               /  September 3, 2018

              I’m serious. I think it’s a very good piece. I nearly committed your ignorance and thought the first paragraph told me all I needed to know.
              I was wrong. This guy sums up my position well. Its never been about right or wrong with me…more about the chance to be proven right or wrong. And the chance to show, it works; or doesn’t. And, he’s right, TRUE SCIENCE is always in a state of flux( my words). Remember the example of the ”warts on thumbs” analogy I gave you?

              ”In my own words .
              FO you crank.’😄

              I sorry, Griff. That isn’t a scientific response.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 3, 2018

              It’s as scientific as thinking that you make it rain with a cloudbuster.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  September 3, 2018

        But,as it’s pouring down at Gezza’s place, now’s your chance to say that you caused it.

  2. Corky

     /  September 3, 2018

    Reality…the great tamer of idealism and men. Case in point:

    Supposedly over 50% of Aucklanders supported the regional petrol tax according to Phill Goff. Now Aucklanders are actually paying the tax, support has dropped to 22%. Well, who would have guessed? Apparently many Aucklanders didn’t.

    • Gezza

       /  September 3, 2018

      Idiots Corks.

      • Corky

         /  September 3, 2018

        Or one idiot..Phil Goff for believing his own bs.

        • Gezza

           /  September 3, 2018

          People voted for the shifty little blighter Corks.

          • Corky

             /  September 3, 2018

            Only because he owns a Triumph motor bike with two headlights. Doesn’t take much to sway voters. Plus, he’s such a nice guy👍

            • Blazer

               /  September 3, 2018

              ‘everyone wants to go to heaven,no one wants…to die’!

            • Gezza

               /  September 3, 2018

              I’d never vote for someone whose motorbike is too big for them. 😕

            • Corky

               /  September 3, 2018

              That’s saying something because Goff isn’t a small man. But that bike is HUGE. ( bigger than his Vesper) That engine was worth ten thousand votes.

              https://www.triumphmotorcycles.in/bikes/cruisers/rocket/2018/rocket-iii-roadster

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 3, 2018

              If he had a Vesper, was it a star, a cocktail or an evening prayer ?

              Or was it, perchance a Vespa ?

            • robertguyton

               /  September 3, 2018

              I had a long and enjoyable conversation with Phil Goff a while back and we shared stories about our first motorbikes: Triumphs. Mine was a 500cc sprung-hub Speed Twin. He was fun to talk with about such things.

            • Corky

               /  September 3, 2018

              Did Phil let you take his beast for a spin?

            • Corky

               /  September 3, 2018

              Phil has never owned a Vesper or a Vespa. Please keep up with the play.
              Incidentally my first bike was a Yamaha Special. My next was and Suzuki 1100cc cruiser. King of the cruisers for its time. One of only two in the country. It was meant for the American market. But of course you already knew that.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 3, 2018

              Why did you say that his current motorbike was bigger than his ‘Vesper’ if he never owned one ?

              Why am I not surprised that your motorbike was like that ? What would have said if Robert had said that HE used to own one of those two ?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 3, 2018

              Who was the ‘he’ whose Vesper (sic) wasn’t as big as Phil Goff’s
              Triumph ?

            • robertguyton

               /  September 3, 2018

              Phil’s “beast” didn’t accompany him on his flight to Southland, sadly. In any case, I’m past the point where riding powerful motorbikes appeals, having watched too, too many youtube clips of bikers coming to grief through no fault of their own.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 3, 2018

              “But of course you already knew that.” – I thought that quip was pretty funny, Corky. I stuck with British bikes, eschewing Japanese motorcycles for the sake of tribalism 🙂 I owned (and rode) a Bonneville 650, gold and white tank, 5-speed and I only mention it because “Bonneville” (Bonny) sounded so romantic grunts to my young-man’s ears. Not so much now. These days, I get excited by Camelia yunnanensis and the likes.

            • robertguyton

               /  September 3, 2018

              Meant “grunty” but “grunts” will do 🙂

  3. Corky

     /  September 3, 2018

    Japan is a first world nation. Western in many ways. And like the West they are suffering from a declining birth rate. In fact one of the lowest in the world. That’s ironic given their population grew from 44 million in 1900, to 128 million in the year 2000. Ever since then it’s
    been downhill. Latest stats from 2017:

    Births- 946,060
    Deaths- 1.3 million
    Population decline- 394,373.
    YAA

    Not good. Especially given Japan is suffering that other Western malaise..an aging population.

    But it gets worse. They may experience another Western problem in the future. A problem that has many facets.

    https://www.waseda.jp/top/en-news/53405

    • sorethumb

       /  September 3, 2018

      • Corky

         /  September 3, 2018

        Great clip. Thumbs. There may be hope?

      • Corky

         /  September 3, 2018

        Good to see One News taking my lead on this issue. Hell’s bells, Australia and New Zealand aren’t doing much in the bedroom either. I put that down to fast food, beer and the All Blacks.

  4. sorethumb

     /  September 3, 2018

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/assets/news_crops/64448/eight_col_Nanaia_Mahuta_%281%29_2018_8_7.jpg?
    Te Pūtake o Te Riri-Wars and Conflicts in Aotearoa-New Zealand Fund will support whānau, hapū and iwi to bring to life the stories of the past.

    The Minister for Māori Development Nanaia Mahuta said the fund would focus on increasing awareness about local history, significant landmarks and people.

    “Our history is bursting with notable rangatira whose prowess in war, strategic and tactical feats are compelling and continue to impact on how communities have settled and relate to their own story.

    “Yet only a small portion of the community know this story and it needs to be shared and understood.

    “We have a unique opportunity to build nationhood and pride through a better understanding of our history.”
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/365475/govt-invests-in-raising-awareness-of-nz-wars

    Whenever their is a story about Maori social media is infested with comments by radical non Maori NZers who know that their positions of social and economic superiority are under threat. Positions of power built and maintained by the proceeds of well documented crimes against Maori. Your smokescreen dissipates more and more each time you post and blow more and more hot air.

  5. Corky

     /  September 3, 2018

    I while back I read a book, written by a real nut. Hell, it was bad. I stopped reading after the first chapter when the author related how he had been abducted by aliens who said mankind would change drastically after our scientists invented biological computers. I thought this dude had been watching too many Terminator movies. I still think the guy is a nut..but science has overtaken his (?) fantasy:

    http://www.caltech.edu/news/test-tube-artificial-neural-network-recognizes-molecular-handwriting-82679

  6. lurcher1948

     /  September 3, 2018

    No need for travel insurance now folks, Simon Bridges And National will take care of you overseas

    • Corky

       /  September 3, 2018

      That’s not what he said, Lurchy, if you are referring to his appearance with Duncan Garner. You must remember talk is cheap for opposition parties.

  7. robertguyton

     /  September 3, 2018

    The Right are a threat to our future:

    “The right is involved in a culture war with the left over the issue where winning is all important. Their anti intellectualism and their complete distrust of the left as well as their contempt for any environmental campaign means that they automatically oppose any suggestion that change is needed. Added to their unfailing belief they are right, and a bunch of corporations willing to use this distrust and you have all the making of a policy impasse. At at time where it is clearer than ever that we are in the middle of a crisis and that urgent action is needed.”

    https://thestandard.org.nz/farrar-peddles-climate-change-denial-nonsense/

    • robertguyton

       /  September 3, 2018

      “National-are devout climate deniers’

      Best they lern to grow gills now ready for the sea level rise that is physically coming as we daily witness.

      Just go to eny beach now to see that every year we lose anioter 2 meters of beachfront.

      That is very hard to ignore.

      and the loss of our water supplys with droughts now rising in many areas we will need to change our dairy practices now.

      Yes dairy is a large strain on or resources and where I live in the hills 1600 ft above Gisborne’s most northern reach it is very damp always with lots of rain to replenish the water supply.

      But now we see that down in the lower plains the dairy farmers are relying on artesian water and are always nearing drought so we really need to select the right areas for dairy that don’t take water from the regions where water is not plentiful.

      National have no plans to fight the inevitable.

      We are doomed if national get control again.”
      clean green @ TS

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  September 3, 2018

        What utter rubbish, Robert. Go look at the tide gauge data. The annual rise is a couple of mm. Why do you give such drivel any time?

    • sorethumb

       /  September 3, 2018

  8. High Flying Duck

     /  September 3, 2018

    This court case is like cockroaches and zombies – it WILL NOT DIE!

    • Gezza

       /  September 3, 2018

      It’s ageing Jordan Williams. He was on telly moaning about something last night. Can’t remember what it was now.

  9. lurcher1948

     /  September 3, 2018

    NEWSFLASH,the temporary leader of the opposition Simon Bridges is again going to tour the country this time to talk to small business, SIMON WHO LEAKED YOUR LAST TIKI TOUR expenses, and who is the nutter in your party????????

  10. sorethumb

     /  September 3, 2018

    The British practiced slavery well after it ended in the British Empire [2:30]

  11. lurcher1948

     /  September 3, 2018

    Has anyone noticed the rightwing posters on nearby rightwing blogs that some are more American than America but are New Zealanders,and think a Republican with the surname McCain is lower than a dog turd. Would these New Zealanders be traitors if push came to shove

    • Corky

       /  September 3, 2018

      Good question, Lurchy. I ask myself a similar question: How many jumped up little bureaucratic prats and trolls given half a chance under a dictator would relish an inhuman role to play?

      Scary stuff when you think about it. Remember how sophisticated Germany was pre WW2?
      Next minute they were exterminating Jews and other vermin who didn’t fit an Aryan ideal.
      Women prison guards killing with glee. Mad doctors chopping this and that off suffering prisoners. Mad science experiments our best modern minds have trouble deciphering.

      Always remember, Lurchy, that friendly dairy owner you talk to about the weather, could under different circumstance be your torturer. Worse, he could sell our country out to the enemy.

      • Blazer

         /  September 3, 2018

        who is the enemy Corky?

        • Corky

           /  September 3, 2018

          Given the state of our world, our enemy could be anyone at a given notice. Our internal enemy is the Left. They have pissed our greatness down the drain. Ruined our community structure, brainwashed our kids and reviled our history as all bad. They have created a nation reliant on pills to get through the day. We are weak, effeminate and indecisive.

          But the Lefts greatest victory is cutting us off from our Western history. You have seen what happens to children who don’t know who their parents are. They have no point of reference.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  September 3, 2018

          You seem not to have read about the situation in pre-war Germany. Huge unemployment, massive inflation, money worth virtually nothing.

          The genocide didn’t start with no warning, these things don’t.The Nazis were playing to the gallery and giving people what they wanted (scapegoats) as well as telling them what they wanted to hear.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  September 3, 2018

            I think that you meant inhumane, not inhuman.

            • Corky

               /  September 3, 2018

              No, I meant inhuman.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 3, 2018

              Suit yourself, if you think that you’re right.

              What does the Oxford English Dictionary know ?

            • robertguyton

               /  September 4, 2018

              The Oxford Dictionary knows….nothing. It’s not a sentient being.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  September 4, 2018

              You know what I mean !!!!

  12. lurcher1948

     /  September 3, 2018

    GASP HORROR Andrew Dickens is full on dump on our PM Jacinda Adern with the full weight of NZME ,kiwiblog and whaleblubber and the rightwing National party behind him but yet he still persists in abusing her.

    • Corky

       /  September 3, 2018

      Politicians are paid well ( by taxpayers) to be abused. Why shouldn’t we have our moneys worth. You certainly have more than your fair share.